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As I await for my fitted Mizuno 223/225 combo set to come in the next few weeks, I have turned my eyes towards hybrids and woods. Went for a fitting this past Sunday. I have never done a fitting in this part of my bag and it is much needed. Mostly because I have stock light and flexy shafts not suited to me. I started at 3/4 hybrids and 5 woods.
Coming from a 3/4 Cobra King F7 dialed down to 19°., it has too much offset to keep at standard. Not to mention a stock S shaft that feels super flexy. It required me to slow my club head speed significantly down to properly load and make solid contact. Still treats me well but not a lot of stopping power. 208 carry, 228 total on Trackman that day. So a less offset head and stiffer/heavier shaft is what I was looking for.I struggled with consistency as we explored a few shaft and head combinations. Had some success with the Srixon ZX in the HZRDUS 6.0 80g shaft. My body for some reason loves the HZRDUS line. Tsi2, TSi3 saw some success as well. But once I had the Mitsubishi MMT 80X in the Cobra King Tec 3H 19° head, my consistency lit up.
The King Tec looked great at address with the two tone "Taylormade" famous look as well as in the super hybrid/utility wood size look to it. Slightly bigger than the traditional hybrids and slightly smaller than a 5 or 3W. Not to mention, it is super adjustable, rare in the hybrid space. Adjustable hosel for loft and lie as well as a three weight system. One weight in the toe, one in the center of the club, and one in the heel. Since I wanted to hit it into greens, my spin and landing angle were too low to achieve this. Adjusting the 3H higher would have closed the face and not worked for me. I want to avoid the lefty low spin dive bombs.
Fitter popped in the 4H 21° turned down to 20° on the MMT. With it a tad more open and 1° extra loft, my spin popped up 900rpm vs the 3H, carry down 4 yards and total down 8. Club and shaft were negating my overdraw tenancies and ball flight was glued to the center line.Last year, Matt Blois saw some awesome results with it too when he was still working with TXG:
Looking at my 7 iron warm up, it was a very slow day for me coming off of a stomach bug and in the midst of a sinus infection. I was 8mph down normal speeds. Sheesh. I expect I will get a little extra spin, distance, and a little less roll out. And less roll out when I hit real world greens and not Trackman carpet fairways.
Then we tested 5 woods. The 5 wood numbers looked very close to my hybrid numbers. Still need a lot of work on my AoA. The look of a wood makes me want to hit up on it more so I hit the 5 woods a bit more thin on average and couldn't get the consistency.
Going to do the club in between driver and the King Tec next. With this fitting result, I am intrigued by the Callaway Apex UW as a possible traditional 3W replacement. My friend has seen great results with it as well. It is a beast at hybrid shaft length.
I would want to hit this club off the tee as an alternative to driver as well as off the deck in those rare occasions. Open to suggestions!
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17 hours ago, edingc said:
Yes, that's the one I have.
I don't hit balls with it ever, but do use it to track driver swings without a ball and the SuperSpeed (in my case Rypstick) swings. Typically I have it setup like the following depending on what I'm doing:
I have noticed funky readings if the batteries are starting to die. Might try swapping for a fresh set? Otherwise, I just turn it on in golf mode and have it fully extended. It at least shows trends, which is really all I care about.
Appreciate the illustration. I'll give the new batteries theory a try. Right, agree with the trends. Why do you go with the variation of the placement?
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@edingc Just sent you a comment on another post, checked out this and I'm guessing you are in West Michigan like me with Jake at CC and formerly MH! Nice review! I have some gift cards for CC that I need to redeem. Never have been there before and appreciate the review, nice job. Would you say Jake is the best there? Also, who's your coach and how do you like them? What have they helped with the most? I've never had lessons and am maybe testing the waters and researching some around here. Nice chatting with a fellow West Michigander.
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On 2/25/2022 at 7:34 AM, edingc said:
After seeing @GolfSpy MPR's post yesterday, I actually went out and tried the new swing speed feature myself with both my Rypstick and an old 45" TaylorMade Bubble driver I keep laying around in my basement. I also have the blue radar to compare.
Initial reports would be that the blue radar is probably 5-8 or maybe even 10 MPH faster than the Mevo+ depending on the swing. I feel that they both have their sensitivities that can effect the speeds shown. The Mevo+ really seemed to read the most "correct" when I maintained 8 feet distance. The blue radar tends to be very touchy about angle and where the club is swinging in it's radar field.
But, overall I was pretty happy with the Mevo+. It was a little tough because my lawn is still frozen and I didn't have golf shoes on, so I was slipping quite a bit. But I saw my "light" dominant Rypstick speeds touch 130 (on the blue radar they top out around 138-141) and with two weights in I topped 120 once.
With the driver I moved to my concrete patio. On Monday I recorded a couple of swings at 124 MPH on the blue radar, last night my best was just shy of 117 on the Mevo+. Of course, it was 50 degrees on Monday and like 20 degrees last night, so I'm sure that may be impacting things as well. Totally plausible that the blue radar is more accurate than I think.
Are you referring to the Swing Speed Radar? I feel like something changed with mine and cannot get accurate readings. It seems to be 10-15mph off compared to Trackman. I feel like it used to work pretty accurately 2 years ago, but now I can't seem to get an accurate reading. I believe I've had it in the correct setting and the recommended placement. I've looked at the online forums and YouTube videos. Curious what your settings and placement looks like.
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On 4/2/2022 at 10:37 AM, Quigleyd said:
I have a combo set of these and they have been great. I have been playing the 225 and 221s broken up between the 6 and 7. With a fli hi 4 iron.
Did you need to bend lofts to make the combo work?
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On 3/31/2022 at 11:37 AM, bens197 said:
We had a weather break up here and we're currently mid 50's with the sun. I went to my spot and while getting a bucket the manager mentioned my 223's were being shipped. Yesterday was 6 weeks so I suppose it's about right...As I said before, if they took another 2-3 weeks I'd be OK with it.
So based upon that info, I said a temporary goodbye to my Hogan's...they're not going anywhere, just to my backup bag thats all.
I'll go on the assumption that tomorrow or Monday will be the day.
Great news!
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18 hours ago, bens197 said:
It helps when my existing set is just butter...I'm excited...Please share some pics when yours arrive!
Will do and you do the same! Yeah I'm not too beat up about it with my MP-18s. I will miss the blade look in my bag. Just looking for the added forgiveness 6-4 and a more correct shaft for me.
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On 3/23/2022 at 12:51 PM, bens197 said:
Today is 5 weeks since ordering my 223's. Not mad or bummed rather a measure for those who have recently ordered and are wondering about build / ship times.
Your patience is admirable. Nonetheless, I expect to have mine in time for a better part of the season (late spring/start of summer) 2.5 weeks in after ordering.
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9 hours ago, chisag said:
... No apologies necessary just a friendly disagreement of the original post.
Having played MP33's and written a WRX review for the MP59's several years ago I know what you mean. As a + index the Pro 223's would be my first choice if I were looking to replace my Cobra MIM irons but I love these irons so a set of Pro 225's would be my choice. At 68 I hit my 4 iron a comfortable 190-195 and if I could stretch that to 200-205 my gapping would be a little better so I have ordered a set of the '22 Forged Tecs and hope they beat out my MIM's or even just replace my long irons but I am open to whatever works.
... I am very much a feel player and appreciate a soft dense feel and am spoiled by the MIM's that look so good at address and feel as soft (or softer) then Mizuno's I have played but the feel is a little different and really unique. I can play a club that doesn't feel as dense and soft as I would like but I can't play a club that feels bad, so I am hoping the hollow headed FT's feel good enough if the performance is there.The 2° stronger difference in 225 (30°) 7 iron vs the 223 (32°) 7 iron got me 10 extra yards. 223's could still very well be in play for you if you still want a softer feel. You can easily bend them stronger and get very similar yardage to the 225's if you want.
I'm sure the FT's will treat you well! Hard to go wrong with anything in the market today. The OEM's have done well to keep up with each other across the board. Mostly comes down to looks and feel of each club with very marginal performance gains, if any. -
5 hours ago, chisag said:
... Really not true at all. They are geared toward mid to low index players that either never had a lot of club head speed or those that have lost some speed in their losing battle with Father Time. And feel is so very subjective. I don't think it is fair to compare a hollow head players distance iron to a solid forged MB but instead compare feel to other hollow head irons like P790's, T100S or Forged Tec. I have not hit the 225's yet but played P790's that felt a little dead and T100S that had a very dense feel for a players distance iron. Ymmv of course ...
@chisag My apologies. I said higher handicap and I should have clarified that it is for higher handicap than blade players. Higher handicap has definitely changed in my mindset to be 10-20 in MyGolfSpy's forum as most involved in this forum are no higher than that. A lot of good golfers here. Mizuno I believe often mentions 10+ handicap with some lower handicaps adding them in the long irons for extra help (don't exactly quote me on that). And when the product team is discussing the irons, they typically say higher handicap in reference to the other clubs, while mentioning the handicap range. So not super high handicap for sure. Players Distance. Good players seeking more distance/forgiveness for sure. You are correct in thinking it is not a GI iron with a ton of offset and we are on the same page with who should play this iron. Yes, I agree on the distance piece 100% and mentioned that. My father in fact finally got fitted and gained substantial distance moving from a more traditional loft set to the P790 and his handicap is similar to mine.
The person I was responding to was mentioning the Mizuno feel and that is why he is wanting to get rid of his 225s. The 225s aren't going to feel the best. The Mizuno feel is exclusively about their blades and small cavity forged irons. You are not going to get the coveted Mizuno feel from a hollow body iron or a GI club. It has to be a forged blade or a small cavity club. But yes, 225s could very well feel better than P790s. I too have not compared them against each other.- MattWillGolf and chisag
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On 3/11/2022 at 5:29 PM, Bubbly Pop said:
Well, I received my 225's about a week ago, and after 27 holes they are getting traded in. I ordered them without even hitting them, as I've always loved Mizuno, these looked perfect for me, and they are beautiful. However, and I hate to be the guy to say it, but the hollow bodied Mizuno 225's just doesn't feel like a Mizuno to me, not even close. They are a nice profile size, and look exactly as I would want them to, but they just feel, well, hollow. I'll try another Mizuno option, but these are not it.
That should be expected since they are a hollow body, made with chromoly 8-4, and include tungsten in most of the set. They are for higher handicap, slower swing speed players looking for forgiveness and distance as well as the blade aesthetic. Not feel.
If you prioritize the Mizuno forged feeling you'll get that from the 223 PW-8 as they are the 1025e steel fully forged like the 221 blades, a better feel with the 223s than in the 225s in the 7-4. Obviously the 221, JPX Tours and JPX Forged will have great forged, soft feeling as well. I will say the 225s still feel better to me than other players distance irons.
If feel is what you really want over distance and forgiveness, go with the 221s. Or 223s are a nice blended set of feel then forgiveness and distance in the mid to long irons. I wanted the best of both worlds. The blade buttery feel and then forgiveness and distance where I needed it. 223 PW-6 and 225 in the 5 and 4. Hope this helps! -
On 3/10/2022 at 11:33 AM, chisag said:
... It all depends on what you need form your irons. I would compare Distance Players irons to draw biased drivers. If you battle a fade/slice the draw bias is a great feature but if you hit a straight ball or a little draw, a left bias is just not something you want. Carrying his 223 7i 180yds, distance is not something MW needs or probably even wants. But if you carry your 7i 150yds an additional 5-7 yds ain't so bad. For me the allure of Distance Irons is gaining 7-10 yds with the long irons. My 4i carry is 185-190 and it is one of my favorite clubs to hit. So increasing that carry to 192-197 would be nice as long as I had sufficient spin. I would not need an additional wedge as the difference wound be 5yds or less in the scoring irons, although it would take some time to dial in distances and gaps.
... Having played the P790's for a season I am familiar with a little less spin, a higher trajectory and more distance that I really enjoyed in the Midwest but I found I needed more spin on the hard fast desert greens here in Phoenix back in the winter of 2019. For whatever reason last winter and this winter the greens have been watered more and holding them would not be a problem with a little less spin. In fact many of the greens have really soft fronts from water run off and landing just short iff the green can result in a mud ball that just plops out off its ball mark, but landing on the green you get that one hop and stop or a few feet of roll out so carry is king. I am looking forward to comparing the '22 Cobra Forged Tec distance players irons to my King Tour players irons. I will start out playing a full set of the FT's but I can imagine a split set of MIM pw-8 and FT 7-4/3.I agree. I don't mind a little distance gain and forgiveness over blades/split cavity but I do want to increase the spin on these, through swing changes and loft weakening as I prioritize consistent distance and stopping power. You lose some of that consistency through a lack of spin.
Curious what height and landing angle will then look like.
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On 3/10/2022 at 11:08 AM, Sluggo42 said:
So the 225 is basically another club over the 223. About 600 less spin, and a hotter line in. Would the next club make up the differences?
this is an area that the jacked lofts are interesting to me. So let’s say you hit an 8 in the 225, vs the 7 in the 223.
so what’s the spin and decent angle comparison now? Head to head, I would prefer the spin and angle of descent of the 223. But if I got the same numbers with the 8 iron, what’s the difference really, except for an addition 10-15 yds across the board. Which is cool, except what will happen when you hit the wedges? Or do you skip the 4 iron, and add another wedge?
this is the area where I get mixed up…
This is where I'm curious too. I'd love to add a more spin for more stopping power and I'll likely need to adjust some lofts for some gap jumps. TXG when Matty was still there, they saw a large gap between the blade like PW to the techy 7. 49 yard carry difference with two clubs in the middle after strengthening the PW 1°. I definitely see me changing a lot of lofts to tighten those gaps to no more than 15/17 yards. All depends on my numbers
I'll share those results likely in 3-5 months
Got to have my irons arrive and then hit them a bit before a gap session lol
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Ended up ordering 223 PW-6 225 5 and 4 with Project X LZ 6.5 shafts on Monday after a couple of fitting sessions. Was told 10 week lead time by the fitter, 8 week lead time from the front desk. Stuck to my guns of wanting added forgiveness 6 and above and am improving that vs MP18 SCs and did not get 221 in the short/mid irons. Get extra forgiveness in the PW-7 as well with blade size etc. but are still constructed like the 221s with the 1025e forged steel. So should still get a bladey experience. 5mm top line vs 4.1/4.2mm in the scoring clubs may be interesting. Will be sad to see my MP18s go, but I should play better golf! I'm still working on my attack angle. I'm very shallow, likely due to many basement swings, but still getting forgiveness out of the 223/225 vs the 221 I tried in the 7 as well. Blade lost an extra 5 yards of carry on a bad miss vs 223/225 misses.
These have some pop and I will welcome the distance gains. Likely will need to weaken 7 through 5 to have more appropriate gaps. We'll see in a gap/loft session.
223 7 iron at 32°
Club speed = 90 (94 max)| Ball Speed = 125 (130max) | AoA = -.3° | Face to Path = .2° (straight/baby cut) | Spin = 5421 | Decent Angle = 50.2° | Carry = 180 | Total = 187
225 7 iron at 30°
Club speed = 90 | Ball Speed = 129 | AoA = -1.3° | Face to Path = -.3 (straight/baby draw) | Spin = 4855 | Decent Angle = 46° | Carry = 191 | Total = 202
I suspect spin was higher and total roll out will be less in Michigan conditions. Plus expecting to have a better angle of attack down, a groove or two higher, with a small fade swing change so I should increase spin and decrease roll out if I successfully make changes. -
On 2/23/2022 at 9:42 AM, Middler said:
In reality it’s between the Mizuno Pro 225 and the JPX923 Forged for me. I’d be surprised if the latter will be a lot different than the 921F’s - and I didn’t like them better than my 900F’s (still all 1025E), same performance and if anything Chromoly was a hair harsher sound/feel.
Sounds to me like the 223s are a smaller, compact JPX forged.
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Thought this image would apply to this thread comparing Mizuno Pro 221, 223, 225.
Things that are interesting to me:
#1 225 PW and 9 top line, then the big jump to the 8. PW and 9 are mostly forged with a half cavity design. Then the tech comes in at the 8 and I guess a much bulkier top line
#2 223 8 to 7 sole width change. The 7 is when the chromoly and tech are introduced. The 8-PW are just bigger forged blades than the 221s.
#3 With the 223 7 iron sole width big jump, it's actually larger than the 225 7 iron by .4mm, and .2mm larger in the 6.
#4 223 constant top line size.Overall, I really really like what Mizuno has done with the MP line this year for 223 and 225. Keep it as bladey as possible in the short irons, while progressively making them a little more forgiving as you change sets, and then introduce the tech for more forgiveness, ball speed, and distance in the mid/long. I love my MP18 blade short irons, and I could essentially keep it that way with a slightly bigger blade profile in the 223s and retain that buttery feel.
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On 2/5/2022 at 2:11 PM, Thumper1978 said:
Has anybody hit them and if so what is your opinion on them?
Hitting them tomorrow. I'm looking to up my forgiveness 6 and above. Likely going 223 PW-7 or 6 and 225 the rest of the way. Interested in trying T100, T100s, T200 combo as well to test how they compare to the MP's in feel and performance. But I'm a Mizuno guy so it would be pretty hard to pull me away from them.
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26 minutes ago, sosuHands said:
Finally made some time to get my loft & lies checked on my 225's .... turns out it was a smart thing to do. Loft & lies were all over the place for my clubs and had to be set back to standard. But now everything is fine except for that one misaligned grip on my 8 iron... but I can ignore that. Time to enjoy my new clubs! Can't wait for the weekend to go hit some practice balls and see what my new yardages are with 225s.
@sosuHandsWhat are your yardage gaps?
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Getting an iron fitting on Saturday. Strong likelihood I'll get the best fit for a 223/225 combo. Coming from a MP18 MB/SC combo, I'm curious of a 221 PW-7 or to 8 then 225 6 (7)-4. Big jump in lofts and wondering if anyone has done a 221/225 combo similar to this? I really enjoy my blades PW-8. The 223s are the perfect blend for me but I like the aesthetic continuation of 221 to 225. The 223s just lose the blade look from the bag!
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On 10/7/2021 at 7:05 PM, bens197 said:
I am a little late to the dance but the 223's have my eye...my goodness.
@bens197I'm super late to the thread. See you got the 223s? How are you liking them? I'm going in for an iron fitting Saturday and am eyeing 223/225 combo and curious about the gapping.
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That's what I thought when I saw they did this. Dumb for their brand. Opens up the possibility of a lot of golfers not seeing the results they expect.The more I think of it, this is more Scummy by Fujikura than anything else. Cheapens their own brand.
Why offer something with Ventus on it if it doesn't contain the "groundbreaking" tech that makes the actual Ventus great
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I could go either way. Love my MP-18s. Mizuno just makes beautiful blades. I personally like the traditional MP line but if I did go for the modern, tough look, the JPX 919s were sweet.
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Think it's great you guys are involved in the for unstable, and willing to answer questions.[mention=60807]goaliewales14[/mention] that's a great question that we are often asked. The SuperSpeed drills work on increasing club head speed but also better sequencing of the swing. Typically one will see an increased swing speed with either better accuracy or accuracy will stay the same. If one is having issues after we encourage them to do some face control and impact location drills which can clean it up quickly. Hope that helps!
Thanks everyone for their posts here. Feel free to ask any questions to us directly and we will answer them.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using MyGolfSpy mobile appI also think, the main reason you are doing this is to gain speed in general and that's what they are primarily for.
From what I've read and heard, most often yes. It helps with timing and because you are gaining speed, you could back off a little and hit further than what you had been with better consistency. All depends on the Archer and your swing mechanics though too.
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Ended up taking 8.5 weeks to receive them. They sure are purdy. Couple range sessions so far and loving them.
