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  1. Your back and forth on the weights and conversation on this thread caught my interest. Iv'e been playing the G400 for a while and love it, played the 410 for a month while waiting on a replacement for my 400 (it cracked last summer) and I have been debating on 'upgrading' to the 410, but like you, the consistency I have with my G400 has me not wanting to take any chances. Anyway, it sounds like we have a very similar set-up, so no I may consider adding a heavier grip or some lead tape to the heads of my sticks as well to cover any weight difference; maybe I should get a scale first, but it sounds like you have provided some sound data for me to work with. I wondered about that form the beginning; Thanks for posting this and for the associated conversation. So many moving parts...
  2. @Nunfa0 I can tell you that a smooth flexible swing will benefit you all day long over being tight and trying to "muscle it." I thought about the regimen before as well and decided to try to see how it felt ton two different days with and without the pre-work. The first thing that I noticed was how "bad" my flexibility is (everything went down hill after back surgery and I have never gotten back to where I was before that; follow up with shoulder surgery a couple of years ago and man have things really changed). Personally, I found that swinging after the warm up is much like a run after the first mile or so or a swim after going through a few steady laps; MUCH more smoother and flowing. ChasingScratch talks about the biomechanics and technical, kinesthetic aspects of this from his education and professional background and everything he says is sounds based on my experiences and education. Take it for what it is worth, but if you have flexibility issues, like I do, you might consider a) making sure you are warmed up a bit before you do the routine, b) doing the routine before the swings. Even if you don't experience these issues regularly now, working out after a warm up will help stave these issues off later in life. Best of luck to you.
  3. We are fortunate to have a home course with 36 holes so we have been splitting the league up for several years; each team starts on one course one week and the other the following week and our AMAZING league managers (and the course folks) have done a very good job at rotating everyone and the opponents so the play is balanced between courses throughout the season. We played twosomes the first two weeks after opening this year for handicap establishment and it was shaping up to be interesting having to play that way by either splitting up teams to play with your opponent or having to correlate cards between teams after the round for points. I am sure the announcement that the course is going back to foursomes next week is a relief to our managers. Like you say, there is a balance and you just have to hope that most people can agree on what that balance point is. Cheers.
  4. @Dave P. HPMC, Gold Mountain has platforms installed and Trophy Lakes is using what looks like a piece of styrofoam pool "noodles" in the cups. I played White Horse the Friday they opened and the "splines" seemed to reject putts a lot more frequently than what I have been seeing with the platforms at GM or the "noodles" at Trophy today. But the upside down cup still beats the neck out of the raised cups. Enjoy the sunny days when you can.
  5. @Golfspy_CG2, Sounds like a sound plan. We are doing leagues, but no shotgun start tournaments for the same reasons you list. That makes sense. The struggle we faced with league play was trying to get 48 or more players off as two-somes; when you go from 12 tee times to 24 tee times if really stresses the window and it isn't like we can start early on a weekday as most of the players are still working regular days. The one item that really has me perplexed is not having holes on the putting greens; why not have holes, but not the flags/sticks? I get the whole keep multiple people from touching the same surfaces, but I don't really understand not having a hole (Fortunately, for me, I have one of those Odyssey putting targets I can toss out to putt at). I think your GM sounds like a pretty practical guy and like you said, you may not be making a mint with crowded restaurant/bar, but al least everyone is able to get something. I had a Commanding Officer impart a good bit of wisdom on us many years ago, he said, "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people, all of the time; so don't get too worried about the few who will always be happy, no matter what you do." Honestly, if my round today was any indication of how my game is developing, I might need them to open the bar so I can stay in there and save the real golfers from being embarrassed by my presence. Thanks for the read.
  6. @chisag, Yeah, I wondered and talked to several folks about it. The most frequent response was that they (management) was focused on figuring out how to work within the boundaries of the new rules and make things work on the course, like 2-somes only and individual carts etc. One of the big issues was having enough carts and also trying to "police" everyone to keep from having and issue with local...umm..."authorities"(?). A couple of the courses just don't have enough of an off course draw to make the restaurants a priority, but knowing the income margin for food and beverage over golf itself, it seems like it would make sense to try and get those moving. We actually had the beverage carts out and circulating pretty quick, so there does not seem to be a concern about alcohol, here anyway; and plenty of folks here bring their own coolers. I do hear what you are saying and all of your points make a certain amount of sense. The roll out plan reported by Golfspy_CG2 above sounds like a well phased plan. We actually got the report this morning that courses are going to foursomes; my big question on that will revolve around having enough carts to do individual carts. One of the courses up here has the golf boards, which seem like they would be a great alternative especially right now, to having four full size carts running around every fairway.
  7. Not sure how to make the change on the PRGR, but if you multiply your M/sec x 2.237 that will give you MPH.
  8. Very interesting opportunity. I played 1986 model Titleist blades until abut 2003 when I shifted to Mizunos, then the P790s in mid-2018; I still miss the feel of the pure blade. Scott, Poulsbo, WA 7.5 TM P790 Icon
  9. I am also not a big fan of pod casts, though I get the medium; sometimes I just want to be about to skim the material to get to the parts I want know about, other times it is a great way to occupy the other part of my brain while I am "working" on something else; the problem there is that I occasionally find myself having to go back and rewind several times to catch what I missed while focused on that other thing. I am really interested in seeing the results here. Especially how companies like Vice and Snell come out in comparison with Titleist and Bridgestone. As a Quality Manager I could go into Six Sigma and all the variation numbers etc. but the bottom line is that there is really only a set allowable variation from "conformance" for a product to be considered "quality." Some of that acceptable variation his based on cost of conformance and cost of inspection, but in reality, there is a lot to be said for reliving a consistent product to your customer; this report could really have an impact on the industry, or at least the consumer base. It is interesting that the Pro's balls were consistently 5 compression points higher than the over the counter copies. Shifting topics a bit to the return to play discussion; I am going to leave the comments on "safety alone out of respect to the forum standards that I was told to read when I signed up. I will chime in on the restaurant topic though. Here in WA fast food drive throughs have been open for weeks, and restaurants have been open for take out as well; so we are all perplexed as to why we cannot get a take-out burger in the middle or at the end of a round; I'll leave the details of those discussions out of this post, but leave you with this, the standards are just not standard even when it applies to apples to apples industries. So, the restaurant in our downtown area is operating, and the restaurant at one of our public, non-minu's has been operating as well (of course they stayed open for golf for "members" through the State mandated shutdown - Cheers to them, I almost bit the bullet and went in on an annual membership), However the restaurants at our city run muni and one of the casino owned courses have not yet opened even for take out. But honestly, with all of the rules imposed on course management I applaud them for just getting open for play at this point. Anyway, thanks for the pod cast and I am really looking forward to seeing the results as they come out. Might even have to go hit one of those PXG drivers when the fitter opens up across the water. Cheers folks.
  10. @ChasingScratch intersting dry run. Man I thought that driver looked familiar. I am looking forward to seeing how this works out for all of you testers and in particular, how it all translates to "regular play" swing speeds. I bought a set, but I do not have a radar (yet) so it will be interesting to see if I see any real world change myself without having numbers to compare while going through the protocols. Best of luck to you all.
  11. @B.Boston Now you're cookin' Sorry, I couldn't let that one go by...
  12. @B.Boston I bought one as a Christmas present to myself just the holidays. I got the "4'x14', Choose Putting Green Speed: Fast - 11 - 13 Stimpmeter - Championship Course" version. My logic was that I play more often on better/faster greens and hitting the ball harder is easier for me to adapt to/get a feel for than it would be to keep the from running a mile by on faster greens; but that is my preference. Reading the recent MGS review that crowned the Big Moss mat, I would be interested to compare the two myself. The Big Moss mat looks a lot more durable than the Birdie Ball material, but the roll of this is great. Here is what I can tell you from my experience. I do not have the space to leave the surface set up (currently working on the garage so I can do that). Therefore I have two area where I lay it out. One is on hardwood, the other on carpet. The roll is not affected by the base surface, BUT standing on the putting surface on either base medium can impact the area around the ball and may impart some break at take off. I ordered the wider version because I thought standing on the same surface would be better; I mostly find myself standing next to the mat vice on it for those reasons. Putting is not a problem for me as a general rule, but that may be because I spend time with it during the season. So I figured that it would only be smart to keep it up during the off season here. I noticed that if I take a couple of weeks between sessions it takes me a few minutes to get back to a good, repetitive feel and there can be some ...quirks with my stroke that I need to work out to get everything back in alignment for speed and directional control and consistency; the shorter the time between sessions the better. So, all of that being said even tacking a piece of decent carpet to a plywood backing to practice in the off season is better than nothing. Likes: The dual speed is great for keeping me from getting complacent. Roll is true and consistent from either side. The adjustable cups. Ability to input breaks at various points. Dislikes (may be too strong a term): Placing the 'breaks' can be interesting. "Squishy-ness" of the surface. I plan to remedy this by building a platform similar to this (what a great project) Anyway, I would buy the Birdie Ball again so there are two cents from experience. Hope that helps some. Cheers, R/ Scott
  13. @70445 That is some neat and very inventive work sir. The one consideration I had with mine was that I might like to add markers and guidelines and I have been toying with how/what to do. Thanks for sharing. R/ Scott
  14. Oh man, Rolling Hills; how long ago was that? Ronnie Keil (retired COB) took over for a few years and really did some magic with their drainage and the conditions there before he passed away but you know what conditions there are; I have putted on smoother, faster fairways, but conditions were definitely better than 20 years ago. Kitsap CC had their drainage system redone a couple of years ago and they rerouted a couple of the holes that drop down to Chico Way; that is a pretty good course to reference in this topic; a lot of people I have talked to think that the course would be easy since it maxes out at ~6300 yards (according to the score card anyway, but to get 6300 yds they really have to stretch it), right up until they play it. Visiting golfers who play scratch on 6500+ yard courses get destroyed there by the greens and the layout at the annual tournament at Kitsap; that course eats me up. I agree, playing in New England, HI, Cali, Florida is all different; Semper Gumby! We don't really have a lot of grain on the greens I play on up here so when I go to places where there is a grain that becomes my biggest challenge. As far as carry goes, even having played outside Denver and in New Mexico I never really saw the benefit from altitude, but that was me. The first time I played golf in HI I learned what it meant to have to club up or down for wind; holy cow the wind on the North and east sides! Growing up in New England we never saw that kind of wind, we would see changes in carry for temperature, but wind wasn't really a factor. I think that is another aspect that sets the Pros aside from the rest of us, put them in whatever conditions you have and they will adapt and excel; move us to a new state to play from week to week and most of us will end up having dumped at least one set of clubs in a ravine or a pond somewhere. Semper Fi and stay well down there in the Lone Star state sir, V/R Scott
  15. Funny, I was just looking at the Super Speed sets and thinking that is was a lot of money for a weight at the end of a shaft, but then there is the "program" development to consider. I did see that the thread was started in 2019, so, what was the verdict on these versus the SS set? Any noticeable increase in swing speed since getting and using them? How have they held up (Not that this should really be an issue since one is not hitting anything with them)? While looking at the Diamond system initially reference I also stumbled across this one, Swing Speed, with interchangeable heads. https://www.swingspeedgolf.com/product/swing-speed-golf/. But if the heads are 100, 150 and 200 then these would seem to almost definitely be lighter than both the SS and Accelerator sets (Looks like the Accelerator is sold on both Diamond and Hurricane Golf web sites as well as Ebay and other secondaries). So, all of that being addressed and stated, the next question to enter my mind is whether or not the other versions can be picked up by a launch monitor. Apparently, looking at the Super Speed site, their system works with a doppler based radar. The head size may effect the ability for the radar to pick up the smaller heads on the other offerings. And the final question, do any of them work with other doppler based swing/launch monitors. That would be ideal since you can then use your own launch monitor to see and compare the results with both the trainer and your own clubs. That is actually the independent comparison I would like to see, measurements of trainer and personal club speeds at the beginning and at least through the initial 20-week program. Thanks much.
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