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So, I was watching the Bryson and John Daley YouTube episode the other day and it got me thinking. In the video John Daley said that all golfers should get fitted for grips. I think he even said it was more important than getting fitted for clubs.

Anyway, I figured I would throw it out to this group and see if anyone has been fitted for grips? It isn't something I've thought about doing but would like to hear if anyone has done it and did it help?

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I didn't even know there was such a thing.

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2 & 3 Hybrids: :cobra-small: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft

Irons: :cobra-small: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts

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Didn't know this was a thing either. But I happen to have a fitting today and just reread the description of services," The Golf Professional will also make specific recommendations for: grip, shaft, flex, length, lie angle, loft and head shape." I'll make sure to jump back in a give my thoughts. 

Driver:    :callaway-small: Paradym Ai Smoke MAX Driver w/ fujikura ventus blue 6-series 
Fairway:   :cobra-small: King F8 3 wood  
Hybrids:   :cobra-small: King F9 3 hybrid 19.5° Atmos 7s stiff      
Irons:       :mizuno-small:Pro 243 4-PW Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120
Wedges: :Sub70: TAIII Forged Wedge Black 50°, 54°, 58°
Putter:    :Sub70: 004 Mallet w/ SuperStroke Zynergy 5.0

Ball:  Pro Plus (white & drip)

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On 8/23/2024 at 8:18 AM, Stereotype said:

Didn't know this was a thing either. But I happen to have a fitting today and just reread the description of services," The Golf Professional will also make specific recommendations for: grip, shaft, flex, length, lie angle, loft and head shape." I'll make sure to jump back in a give my thoughts. 

UPDATE: Did my fitting on Friday afternoon and had a discussion with my fitter on the grips. He looked at mine in relation on my current gamers versus the ones that I was trying and felt that it was more on the personal preference spectrum and based on my numbers not performance related. I am getting new grips on the irons that I bought from the fitting and will talk to the club maker as well. Potential update #2 incoming later this week. 

Driver:    :callaway-small: Paradym Ai Smoke MAX Driver w/ fujikura ventus blue 6-series 
Fairway:   :cobra-small: King F8 3 wood  
Hybrids:   :cobra-small: King F9 3 hybrid 19.5° Atmos 7s stiff      
Irons:       :mizuno-small:Pro 243 4-PW Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120
Wedges: :Sub70: TAIII Forged Wedge Black 50°, 54°, 58°
Putter:    :Sub70: 004 Mallet w/ SuperStroke Zynergy 5.0

Ball:  Pro Plus (white & drip)

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57 minutes ago, Stereotype said:

UPDATE: Did my fitting on Friday afternoon and had a discussion with my fitter on the grips. He looked at mine in relation on my current gamers versus the ones that I was trying and felt that it was more on the personal preference spectrum and based on my numbers not performance related. I am getting new grips on the irons that I bought from the fitting and will talk to the club maker as well. Potential update #2 incoming later this week. 

Out of curiosity, are you going with a new grip or a new grip size. I've often wondered how an oversized grip would perform compared to standard. I've been thinking about getting an oversized grip just to test it out.

 ping.png.7c5862342023c35b77c4616604806e90.png - Driver: 425LST w / KBS TD60 X-Stiff


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56 minutes ago, Pupini said:

Out of curiosity, are you going with a new grip or a new grip size. I've often wondered how an oversized grip would perform compared to standard. I've been thinking about getting an oversized grip just to test it out.

I just saw your comment as I was scrolling through and thought I would share my thoughts on the oversized grip. I was playing with standard grips last year and years before and never gave it a second thought. However, as I started getting some aches and pains in my hands. I decided to give JumboMax a try on my driver and I can honestly say it has made a big difference in making my driver work for me. I then also went with midsize on my wedges and noticed how much better my grip feels. Long story short, my hands are pain free. 🙂

That being said, i have gone to two fittings this year and all they had were standard sizes. The Vokey wedges with my preferred grip definitely felt better for me versus the standard grips on the test clubs, and not having the grip you prefer can affect your ball striking. I have yet to see a fitter offer different grip sizes at the demo/fitting days.

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Driver:  Kirkland Signature, adj. 10.5 Evenflow Riptide-Stiff, w/JumboMax Tour Series grip

Fairway: Screenshot2023-10-09155350.png.f5298944b93169e969fa080bb4230249.png KE4 3W w/KE4 75-R

Irons Screenshot2023-10-09155350.png.f5298944b93169e969fa080bb4230249.png MMB Forged 3-PW w/TT Dynamic Gold Lite

Wedges: default_titelist-small.jpg.70ad9f722a0db80227389c6cf555806c.jpg Vokey SM10 wedges 48.10F, 54.10S, 60.08M

Putter:   Sub70.png Sycamore 008 Mallet

Preferred Ball: Vice Tour, or Vice Pro

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18 minutes ago, snoopy79 said:

The Vokey wedges with my preferred grip definitely felt better for me versus the standard grips on the test clubs, and not having the grip you prefer can affect your ball striking.

Interesting and thank you for sharing. I think I will get an oversize grip and try it out with a wedge and driver.

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1 hour ago, Pupini said:

Out of curiosity, are you going with a new grip or a new grip size. I've often wondered how an oversized grip would perform compared to standard. I've been thinking about getting an oversized grip just to test it out.

my gamers are the golf pride mid size MCC align and my driver and wedges are mid-size mcc plus4, i added 2 wraps in the driver. I am definitely open to trying something new but have been very happy with the golf pride thus far. 

Driver:    :callaway-small: Paradym Ai Smoke MAX Driver w/ fujikura ventus blue 6-series 
Fairway:   :cobra-small: King F8 3 wood  
Hybrids:   :cobra-small: King F9 3 hybrid 19.5° Atmos 7s stiff      
Irons:       :mizuno-small:Pro 243 4-PW Nippon Pro Modus Tour 120
Wedges: :Sub70: TAIII Forged Wedge Black 50°, 54°, 58°
Putter:    :Sub70: 004 Mallet w/ SuperStroke Zynergy 5.0

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19 hours ago, Stereotype said:

my gamers are the golf pride mid size MCC align and my driver and wedges are mid-size mcc plus4, i added 2 wraps in the driver. I am definitely open to trying something new but have been very happy with the golf pride thus far. 

I went with the MCC +4 on my wedges as well and have also been very happy with them

Current WITB:

Driver:  Kirkland Signature, adj. 10.5 Evenflow Riptide-Stiff, w/JumboMax Tour Series grip

Fairway: Screenshot2023-10-09155350.png.f5298944b93169e969fa080bb4230249.png KE4 3W w/KE4 75-R

Irons Screenshot2023-10-09155350.png.f5298944b93169e969fa080bb4230249.png MMB Forged 3-PW w/TT Dynamic Gold Lite

Wedges: default_titelist-small.jpg.70ad9f722a0db80227389c6cf555806c.jpg Vokey SM10 wedges 48.10F, 54.10S, 60.08M

Putter:   Sub70.png Sycamore 008 Mallet

Preferred Ball: Vice Tour, or Vice Pro

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On 8/21/2024 at 6:54 PM, Pupini said:

So, I was watching the Bryson and John Daley YouTube episode the other day and it got me thinking. In the video John Daley said that all golfers should get fitted for grips. I think he even said it was more important than getting fitted for clubs.

Anyway, I figured I would throw it out to this group and see if anyone has been fitted for grips? It isn't something I've thought about doing but would like to hear if anyone has done it and did it help?

I'm glad you asked this because i've been thinking the exact same thing since watching that video. I think one of them also said they "guarantee" most golfers would be considerably better with larger grips? Don't quote me on that, but it was something along those lines. I've been toying with the idea of adding a few extra layers of tape, or maybe going up to a midsize and keeping the one layer just to see what it's like?

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I just put a oversized grip on my driver and will play 18 with it on Friday. I will pass along my learnings.

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Grip size fitting isnt new.  A few decades ago (mid 70's) golf pride had a hand size / grip chart.  There was a sort of hand outline on the placard that based on where your fingers reached came up with a recommended grip size.   I changed thousands of grips while working at the course during HS and college and used that chart dozens and dozens of times.

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Had a fitting done recently and asked about grip size. Fitter had me grip both Standard and Midsize with a normal grip, then checked the underside fingers for how they touch and overlap. Turns out my hand size and grip is right on the cusp (7.5in as reference for others), so i can play either. Planning on moving up to Midsize when I buy new clubs.

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Putter:  image.png.6f232d68128a0864f020965748b290ba.png DF3, Green 65*/35                                                             Balls:  image.png.4b88007c7921e9a723765a29d110ca08.png Tour X                                                                           

Grips:  Golf Pride MCC +4 Midsize                                                                      Tech: Garmin Approach S70

 

 

 

 

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On 8/27/2024 at 3:54 PM, Pupini said:

I just put a oversized grip on my driver and will play 18 with it on Friday. I will pass along my learnings.

OK. I got two rounds in over the holiday weekend and I wanted to share my experience with a larger grip on my driver. I had a standard Lamkin UTx Green grip and replaced it with an oversize Lamkin Crossline grip. I wanted to keep a similar texture and just change the size. 

First reaction: I really liked the feel of a larger grip. It was easier to lay the club in my fingers and I think my pressure was a little softer. 

Game play: During my first round I couldn't miss a shot. I think I hit the fairway on 5 out of 6 tee shots with the driver.  The swing was smooth and it felt like I had very good control over the club head.

The second round was not as successful. Granted, the fairways were much tighter and although I didn't miss by much, I was not in control of my tee shots as much. 

Overall, I think the larger grip on the driver will be good for me. I can't imagine doing it for my irons, but I might try in a wedge or two. More to come, but it's trending in the right direction.

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On 8/27/2024 at 6:54 PM, Dan1993 said:

Had a fitting done recently and asked about grip size. Fitter had me grip both Standard and Midsize with a normal grip, then checked the underside fingers for how they touch and overlap. Turns out my hand size and grip is right on the cusp (7.5in as reference for others), so i can play either. Planning on moving up to Midsize when I buy new clubs.

I just had a few clubs where I added the midsize because I’m where you’re at. I do like the midsize better. Planning on migrating all my clubs over

Driver PING G430 Max 10K Red Hzrdus Regular flex

3wood Taylormade Burner Fuji Pro 2.0 S

5w/7w PING G 430 Max Red Hzrdus Reg.

5 hybrid PING Anser

6i-AW Callaway Apex 21 Steelfiber i95 R

52/54/58 wedges PING s159

Putter Callaway Odyssey OG 1 

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On 8/27/2024 at 4:05 PM, Shapotomous said:

Grip size fitting isnt new.  A few decades ago (mid 70's) golf pride had a hand size / grip chart.  There was a sort of hand outline on the placard that based on where your fingers reached came up with a recommended grip size.   I changed thousands of grips while working at the course during HS and college and used that chart dozens and dozens of times.

I believe Ping has the same chart when you get fitted.

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So, I've had a few rounds with the jumbo grip on my driver.. Overall, I'll say that it has performed pretty well. Certainly no worse than having a standard grip. My drives have been very accurate and distance is equal. 

I can't say for sure that grip has improve my drives or if I've found something in my swing that works. I guess it will take a lot of play to determine a pattern.

The jumbo grip will be on the driver until I have a few rounds where the tee game failed me.

 ping.png.7c5862342023c35b77c4616604806e90.png - Driver: 425LST w / KBS TD60 X-Stiff


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40 minutes ago, Pupini said:

So, I've had a few rounds with the jumbo grip on my driver.. Overall, I'll say that it has performed pretty well. Certainly no worse than having a standard grip. My drives have been very accurate and distance is equal. 

I can't say for sure that grip has improve my drives or if I've found something in my swing that works. I guess it will take a lot of play to determine a pattern.

The jumbo grip will be on the driver until I have a few rounds where the tee game failed me.

I've been noticing less fatigue in my hands and wrists. Also, my grip pressure is alot less than with standard grips.

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Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time.

 

 

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22 hours ago, Rob Person said:

I've been noticing less fatigue in my hands and wrists. Also, my grip pressure is alot less than with standard grips.

I agree with the grip pressure, but haven't noticed less fatigue because I only have one grip that is oversize.

 ping.png.7c5862342023c35b77c4616604806e90.png - Driver: 425LST w / KBS TD60 X-Stiff


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