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i play in a usga tournament every week , about 60 golfers , age 30-85 ( me , easy to shoot my  age ) hc +4 to 25 , i asked everyone i play with if they watch liv golf and about 75% say no , most don't know how to watch it , that's why norman should give liv to fox free for a year or 2 , pick up a lot of viewers , then get a contract with fox . 
as far as  owgr goes  , the board is loaded with arms of the pga so liv is wasting their time , the top 10 players should try and qualify foe the us open and pga championship , forget the open and augusta   , as far as the open goes ben hogan played it only one time so if someone don't play it they are in good company .
as far as jm goes he had a lot of time to enact the payouts they now have and did nothing until the bottom fell out ..

i play in a usga tournament every week , about 60 golfers , age 30-85 ( me , easy to shoot my  age ) hc +4 to 25 , i asked everyone i play with if they watch liv golf and about 75% say no , most don't know how to watch it , that's why norman should give liv to fox free for a year or 2 , pick up a lot of viewers , then get a contract with fox . 
as far as  owgr goes  , the board is loaded with arms of the pga so liv is wasting their time , the top 10 players should try and qualify foe the us open and pga championship , forget the open and augusta   , as far as the open goes ben hogan played it only one time so if someone don't play it they are in good company .
as far as jm goes he had a lot of time to enact the payouts they now have and did nothing until the bottom fell out ..

I think LIV is a professional golf league putting on events with some of the best golfers on the planet. 
I think the OWGR was setup with no thought that there would ever be a competing Tier 1 league.
I think it's rules for entry were to vet developmental leagues with unknown player quality to determine fair point distribution.
What I think is that a system that doesn't rank DJ, Cam Smith, Joaquin,  Bryson, Gooch, etc is very flawed.
What I want,  is to see the best players in the world competing against each other at the 4 majors. They are the events I tune in for more then a Sunday afternoon.
My bias is that DJ and Bryson are two of my 5 favorite golfers. For me, they make golf fun to watch so I watch LIV.
 

i think the OWGR is due for a review anyway. the board is rife with conflicts of interest and how does the BMW PGA winner receive less points than the winner of the fortinet?
im not saying LIV deserves points yet. just that there are a LOT of things in professional golf that probably need a second look. 

startups have to get off the ground somehow. this is really no different. 
i think they’ve had early success getting their foot in the door. 
the long term viability of the liv tour remains to be seen. i think it looks very different in the next few seasons than it did in its inaugural campaign, but i think it’s going to stick around for a while. 
i also think the tour has handled this badly from day one and jay monahan has looked foolish at pretty much every turn. 
i know the pga tour isn’t going anywhere, but i don’t think it’ll continue to have the stranglehold on pro golf that it has enjoyed for a few decades. 

if you don’t think LIV has been successful so far by signing 25% of the OWGR top 100 to play in an unproven upstart league, then why is the PGA tour so scared and scrambling to make changes that mirror what LIV is doing?

lol ok. 
the PGA tour left itself in a position to be disrupted. it has been squeezing every last ounce of life out of a stale product for years now. 
if you don’t like what LIV is doing, you can blame their success so far on the stagnant nature of what the PGA tour offers their viewing audience. 
the people who don’t like LIV don’t like it because it doesn’t look like the PGA tour but they’re missing the point that it was never intended to look like the pga tour at all, and why would it? 
and now, in turn, the pga tour has taken several measures in an attempt to treat their superstars better and keep them from jumping ship straight out of LIV’s playbook. 
i’ve been down this road with you before in a different debate and i’m not about to get into another never ending back and forth with a brick wall.

There is absolutely no rule on shotgun starts as part of any OWGR awarding criteria that I found or seen. If you can point it out I'll gladly be more informed.
You don't have to like Shotgun starts, but that doesn't make them any less valid.

Greg N sucks. I hate when people blare music on the course. LIV being funded by Saudi really sucks. I wouldn't go to the Waste Management open because of the party atmosphere. I agree with you on all those things.
I see some pros and cons of the Shotgun start. It gets rid of the "wrong side of the draw" you have been eliminated from winning before you hit a tee shot issue that happens a few times a year. But it makes tracking who is finishing on what hole and how easy/hard that hole is hard to remember. I know the last 6 holes at Augusta, the Players, Pebble, etc. I don't know the first few holes on any of them very well. So that is hard to figure.
I probably watched more Golf this summer then in years past, both PGA and LIV because of this drama. Both are fun to watch. Fortunately at the end of the day, its just golf.

LIV London is a once a year event with a limited field. Not only does Hero get OWGR points, it gets more then most PGA tour events. That is a great exception. As you mentioned, their are PGA events without cuts, and the WGC events (which were not PGA Tour events, but limited field invite only) also got points, and a lot more then PGA Tour events. Winning the WGC match play awarded 3x more points to Scottie then the Barracuda awards its winner.
The issue I see, is that the PGA Commissioner sits on the OWGR ruling board. They have granted lots and lots of exceptions over the years, for events that help strengthen the PGA Tour: Hero, WGC, PGA China, The Olympics, Sentry TOC etc...
The OWGR ruling board has setup their rules, and they are well defined. Those rules are setup, and exceptions are granted, by the entities that have the most to gain. The PGA, the DPWT and the Majors were able to say that any event that doesn't match the exact format of their event doesn't qualify for points that they award. This could be argued as Anti-Trust under "Rule of Reason".
That is part of the current anti trust lawsuit that is filed. So, it isn't a remote chance, it is currently happening. I'm not sure if it will succeed, but I understand that argument. The PGA Tour gets to act as judge jury and executioner in this manner.
It is comparable, and here is that comparison from the DG field strength website. The PGA tour has more players for sure, and its average strength of field is still higher, but not by much. LIV has had a stronger field each event, and that is with its players losing OWGRs each week.
The Puerto Rico open is by far the weakest field, with Corales, Barbasol and Barricuda also being particularly week.  OWGR rankings are given out at each event based on the strength of the field(exceptions to the majors, and Players Championship). Based on that, LIV should award OWGR points at about the same level as Pebble beach or the Fortinet.


I think the issue that the PGA runs here is that none of the other tours are considered a competitor tour. The PGA has a partnership with every tour listed on the OWGR site. So by it and the other board members creating a system that prevents anything other then what they are doing to be awarded points what they will need to explain in court. If its a good explanation then great, but it needs to be done. Again, arguing that the Hero, WGC's, Sentry TOC, and Olympics are worth an exception but that LIV events are not.
You mention that LIV events are exhibition golf. I'm curious what that means to you? I've heard that repeated on many podcast, but I don't understand it. LIV plays by all the rules of the USGA and R&A, all players use conforming equipment, and events are played on rated golf courses. What makes their events exhibition vs competitive for you?
 
@RickyBobby_PR@GolfSpy_APH@LICC I have read the OWGR rules and regs, I've read the 106 page court filing. I agree that LIV doesn't meet the Regs, but I see the hypocrisy in how those regulations are enforced. The OWGR board got together and has granted those exceptions repeatedly for events that benefit them. Sentry TOC, Fedex Cup Championship, Olympics, WGC, Hero, etc. The OWGR board set up a system, defined the rules, and then gave themselves an exception to those rules every time they wanted one. If the OWGR board had denied all those exceptions, LIV would have no ground to stand on and I would agree them asking for an exception would be silly. But those exception are the precedent here, that is what bothers me about it.

I'm really comparing any liv event with hero.  I think both events should get ranking points. Also see WGC events.
The pga (and the majors) being the votes on what event counts and what doesn't is a potential legal issue. 
Pga events have a cut,  owgr points are handed out to everyone that makes that cut.  that cut is after 36 holes. Winning a 54 hole event should give more points then making the cut on the number and then shooting 80-80 on the weekend. I wouldn't give them the same amount as a 72 hole event. But they deserve some.
Different events of the pga tour give out more points. They are all 72 hole events with the same starting field size and a cut,  why does one give more than another? Currently owgr is given out on the prestige of the event,  not who actually shows up and who you beat. It needs to be cleaned up.

anyone that thinks bryson getting a rope scratch across his right eye ( not his neck )  is great entertainment should run not walk to the nearest brain docker 

anyone that thinks bryson getting a rope scratch across his right eye ( not his neck )  is great entertainment should run not walk to the nearest brain docker 

Well, that didn't take too long... Cam Smith, in his second start, wins Chicago, staving off brief runs by Uihlien and Johnson by 3 strokes. His short game is just all world and gets him out of trouble, seemingly so easily, that at time it seems unfair.
Team Aces four-peats... Pat Perez has made more LIV team money than he made on tour 😁.
The team competition seems to be really motivating these guys.  It was really apparent that players knew where they stood and, even if out of the individual win, just started grinding it out.  
The Bangkok event should be fun.

i think the liv lawsuit will  be canceled before the end of this year  
 
 

what's getting tough on the tour is if i was a tour player in the top 20 like matsuyama- cantly-rose-scott and looking at the top 5-8 players and thinking the only way i could beat them is for them to have a avg game and i had my best game and liv offered me a great deal of money , what to do .
if i did take a liv offer then looking at the the top 5-8 players i think i  would have a very good chance to beat 4 or 5  of the top 8  most of the time , what to do .
money wise with the tour having much better payouts now  and having to play 15-20 and majors , it would be a very hard decision unless liv offered me a lot of money up front .
for me a minus for the tour the 5-8 players will not be going anywhere for at least 5 years , also lower ranked players may move up .
 
a plus for liv is they may not be getting any new players that can beat me and no player on liv will be moving up the list , so it's still about the money .
guess i will have to talk to my wife and see what she thinks .

Love him or hate him, Bryson's shot from 300 yards out of the rough, through the trees, over water to the green was dang impressive!!

pga vs liv best quotes 
varner's wife said  " ---- everybody , do what you want "
rory after 21 tour wins said "one more than somebody else "
norman then said " his next goal is to win more than 91 tournaments globally and be number 1 in the world more than 331 weeks .
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It's amazing to see what Perez is raking in this year while playing way below what would usually be associated with that amount of cash winnings.   He's got to be laughing all the way to Wells Fargo with a wheelbarrow in tow. 

The U.S. Open demands more from its competitors than any championship in the game. That bears out statistically, no matter how one dives into the numbers.
 
Since 2011, the average champion has been under 28 years old, by far the youngest of the four majors, implying it’s a strong physical test. The setups are the most difficult, too: Since 2000, the average winning score to par has been 4.5 under, while each of the other three majors has yielded an average winning score double digits under par.
if i could i would play --the old course and st andrews before any course in the us ., but that's just me not pro golf .

The U.S. Open demands more from its competitors than any championship in the game. That bears out statistically, no matter how one dives into the numbers.
 
Since 2011, the average champion has been under 28 years old, by far the youngest of the four majors, implying it’s a strong physical test. The setups are the most difficult, too: Since 2000, the average winning score to par has been 4.5 under, while each of the other three majors has yielded an average winning score double digits under par.
if i could i would play --the old course and st andrews before any course in the us ., but that's just me not pro golf .

you have your opinion and i have mine , i know if i was a pro golfer i would rather win the us open and the pga championship than the masters and the open .
at least you are reading my posts , thanks

i still think in 40-50 years people will say rory who , dj who , cam smith who , people will always remember , bj-bh-ss-ap-jn- -pm-tw , if the pga tour thinks they will be great again they are wrong , it's all about the money now days.
i don't think the pga tour will ever merge with liv , , i could see dpwt --japan tour --aust tour working with liv , down deep inside them i don't think they like the pga tour very much .. 

you have your opinion and i have mine , i know if i was a pro golfer i would rather win the us open and the pga championship than the masters and the open .
at least you are reading my posts , thanks

you have your opinion and i have mine , i know if i was a pro golfer i would rather win the us open and the pga championship than the masters and the open .
at least you are reading my posts , thanks