Manimal26

depends on what you are looking for and which OEM...

Sweet man that is awesome! and long story about the manimal name from my college days and should have copy righted it.... nothing like new fresh irons!

Also here is some Nippon information for you... Protos I know of: E11 - Heavier side, similar to Tour125 IMO. Has a nice kick, low/mid flight, Mid spin. I have a stiff in my 3i gamer. Maybe north of 130. 2S14 - Heaviest out there, 136-138g, based on Tour125 with extra stiff handle & tip. Low launch and Low spin C10 - Very similar to 2S14 IMO but slightly lighter and slightly less stiff. A beefy Tour125, maybe a touch more kick than 2S14. This is my gamer in my wedges in Stiff 2T15 - Often see this in titleists or from the UK, I have not hit it but seems to be similar to 125. I wondered it was a newer version of the 105T shaft, but I don't know much on this one. 2F15 - Lighter shaft I think in the 115/118 ish, higher launch and spin than Tour 105 but more like older 1050 shaft IMO. DP - Proto to the retial Tour120 ORA - Modus version of Super Peening Orange. Mid launch / mid spin, like a tigher tour125 IMO. This is my gamer 4-PW. ST - Proto to the retail Tour105 2G18 - Proto to the retail Tour130. I currently have a single S and X but games Stiffs for over a year. LSL - Lower spin & launch but to me is a cross between tour 105 & tour 125. Closer to a Tour105 IMO. (I think these became the new Modus 115) LSL2 - A stepless LSL, unsure of any performance changes to LSL (currently own a set of X.) A - Stepless version of retail Tour125. IMO it has a bit more kick but also a different feel at impact. I hit it once at the PGA show but have seen some on ebay. 125TX - A proto of the retail 125X but in TX. I owned a set, was amazingly stiff, like DGX7 with a touch more mid kick but stiffer tip section. 3N14 - Little info available but was told it is a typical profile with player requested tweaks. My guess is very similar to Tour125 but with some very minimal tweak to stiffness of mid section or tip. Mid kick, mid weight. C10: I can not remember off the top of my head Regarding the prototype models on tour- they really are prototypes, in that changes are made in reaction to the player testing, and if a prototype model version performs well, that particular prototype version may "graduate" to become a MODUS3 model available for sale. However, it is difficult to list all the prototype models and their specifications, as they are moving through a process of change. I have been able to hit many of the different models, some prototypes, and as a fitter, I think all of the current models are great, and I am guessing that the "prototype journey" is a part of why these current 4 MODUS3 models work so well.

So I am a huge Nippon fan and its probably the only OEM I would say I truly know in and out, that being said the Modus 105 X weighs about 113g +/- and the Modus 120 X weighs about 119g +/- (manufacturing tolerances). The numbers are not actually the weight of the shafts for example to Modus 120 TX weighs about 125g +/- where the Modus 125 X weighs about 128g +/-. Weigh can be used for a few things. for example if your AoA is very step going lighter could help you shallow out easier and vice versa. Also the Modus 120 when it was a prototype was dubbed DP for dual profile and was designed both for people who release the club early and late. While they do have their chart on their website the modus 120 can launch super low high or somewhere in between depending on how you release the club. Also welcome to the forum! What country are you located in? I might be able to help you a tad more.

@RaginCajun Are you still looking? I might be able to help you out... @ncwoz can attest to my knowledge. I am not perfect but I am a fitter and I try to help people save money but still build high performing sets. in regards to this extra weight can cause some issues with timing and such, and I am not sure what Golf works charges for assembly, but heads can be found if you know where to go and 2nd swing is a place I try to avoid in all honesty. happy to point you in the right direction though.

Any time I do a fitting I ask a few questions depending on the situation. Did he ask any of these; What are you looking to gain from this fitting? I keep in mind and note this answer, but I make it clear that this is not instruction but a way to maximize your current state of play and give you the ability to work towards your improvement goals with confidence. Do you keep a HDCP, and if so what it is it? If not why not? This is more just to guide me towards so club heads that might be the right fit I will ask some other questions like these: What is your average rounds per month during season How many total rounds do you play a year How many hours a week to you spend practicing When you practice do you just hit balls or do you have a practice plan Have you ever taken lessons? I will also ask if you have any pain when you swing or physicals limitations. lets me know if we might want to try graphite or light weight steel. There is a lot that can go into it, but I feel golf should be fun first and fore most and I would go with the set that allows you to maximize your current ability and where you are today. As you improve you can grow out of them and into something else. Also where are you going to get fit?

Anyone have any pics they could DM me? Other than that what is everyone hearing? Rumor the hybrid will be adjustable and a new adjustability sleeve is coming too. Also heard the fairway heads will be a tad smaller too. Any info please share it!

I sent you a DM lets chat there...

you could send me a DM however these have both been sold... However I can check with my Titleist guy to see if I can get another...

Sending you a PM now

Just two items up for sale today - First the brand new, highly sought after, limited release, Scotty Cameron My Girl putter. Not a ton to say here as this is an absolute beauty and the newest in the long line of very collectible My Girl edition putters. Still has the wrapper on the grip and ghost tape on the sole - as mint as can be. Asking $old OBO. Price includes shipping and insurance for the full sale price. Only 1250 putters were made worldwide. Second is the brand new, highly sought after, limited release, 2020 Scotty Cameron Inspired By Justin Thomas Phantom X5.5 Ltd. Not a ton to say about this one either. Still has the wrapper on the grip and ghost tape on the sole - as mint as can be. Asking $old OBO. Price includes shipping and insurance for the full sale price Only 2020 putters were made worldwide. If someone is interested in them both I am willing to work a better deal. Not really interested in any trades, but I would entertain cash + trade offers depending on what it is.

All that is missing is the JT scotty

@ncwoz maltby what???? j/K... did you do the build your self? what do those cost? I am actually getting ready to change irons myself and already updated my wedges... some others coming as well... In regards to your answers... yes the shaft optimizer gives lie angle recommendations. It probably gave you the X100 because to the speed however the others were probably because of the AoA... if you did the build yourself and dont like the $ taper stiffs try the nippon 120x or the KBS tour V X I am pondering what shafts I am going with in my next set of irons myself...

Yah truth... I can not wait on MGS so I literally bought a box of every tour level ball in white and yellow to do my own test... Problem is I need a GCquad since its better at picking up strike point than trackman (not even sure if trackman does that)....

This guy right here below... if memory serves me the Modus 115 wedge weighs aprox 122g so it sits in between the KBS 610 S & S+ https://www.golfworks.com/kbs-610-355-wedge-shaft/p/fs0040/

Your spin is so low. As a fitter in this situation I honestly would not change the shaft first. I would simply add more loft and go to a 10.5 static head. if that is not option I would look at your ball your playing. Range balls are rocks it might be worth while to see if somewhere around you lets you rent a foresight or trackman and try like a srixon z star or a mizuno ball.... Fyi adding more static loft should increase spin and launch and help you get some extra juice out of your drives

@Mavrix first welcome! I am a club fitter so I might be able to provide some direction for you. Did your fitter ask any of the following questions? Any time I do a fitting I ask a few questions depending on the situation. Did he ask any of these; What are you looking to gain from this fitting? I keep in mind and note this answer, but I make it clear that this is not instruction but a way to maximize your current state of play and give you the ability to work towards your improvement goals with confidence. What are you looking to switch from the 919 forged to the p790? Do you keep a HDCP, and if so what it is it? If not why not? This is more just to guide me towards so club heads that might be the right fit I will ask some other questions like these: What is your average rounds per month during season How many total rounds do you play a year How many hours a week to you spend practicing When you practice do you just hit balls or do you have a practice plan Have you ever taken lessons? I will also ask if you have any pain when you swing or physicals limitations. lets me know if we might want to try graphite or light weight steel. Also since I was not there how old are you, height weight etc Also did you try the Nippon Zelos (https://nipponshaft.com/product/steel_zelos8.php) sounds like it could be the perfect blend between graphite and steel... Happy to help any way I can

As a fitter I always tell people the KBS 610 wedge shaft is one of the best kept secrets in golf especially if you can get it... it is becoming so hard to get..... I actually have a limited Modus 115 masters edition wedge shaft if you are interested I love the Modus 125 wedge and the TT DG tour issue S400, but if you can actually get the KBS 610 its awesome!

Here is a wrench thrown into this... The MTB-X optic yellow for me is actually getting 2-3mph more ball speed off the driver vs. the white... I know Tony spoke about this in a No Puts Given but yellow balls have a different chemical formula than the white so I would love to see this test done!

yah we shall see.... sent you a DM as well but read through my thoughts and upload the data when you can and we can go through it

@ncwoz here is some fun data (2019)

I will get you some once I get a fitting head, but from the 785's being stronger lofted it might be better to compare the T-100s...

@ncwoz glad to hear that you are sticking at it. I like the shaft optimizer as a starting point, but that being said it is only going to give options that are currently in Mizuno's lineup that are designed to work with their heads. A second note on that is if the place you went is past due with Mizuno or not doing enough volume they may have to pay or not have even have access to the new lineup. So double check Mizuno's website to see what no charge options are out there. Second since you used trackman did they give you your data? If so upload it and I will let you know what I think about it. I will break down your post below with thoughts and feedback below but here is some baseline things I go through: Any time I do a fitting I ask a few questions depending on the situation. Did he ask any of these; What are you looking to gain from this fitting? I keep in mind and note this answer, but I make it clear that this is not instruction but a way to maximize your current state of play and give you the ability to work towards your improvement goals with confidence. Do you keep a HDCP, and if so what it is it? If not why not? This is more just to guide me towards so club heads that might be the right fit I will ask some other questions like these: What is your average rounds per month during season How many total rounds do you play a year How many hours a week to you spend practicing When you practice do you just hit balls or do you have a practice plan Have you ever taken lessons? I will also ask if you have any pain when you swing or physicals limitations. lets me know if we might want to try graphite or light weight steel. If he did not ask any of these feel free to answer them. The reason I ask these is to paint a picture of the life of the irons. For example I practice in season almost everyday and 2-3 times during the winter and I play 100+ rounds a year. My T-100's at this point (which I got day 1) are needing replacement. T-100 are also much tougher than a Mizuno 921 tour or forged. How far did you carry the ball with the shaft optimizer club? What was the lie angle recommendation for the 7i from the optimizer? Was the X100 the standard or Tour Issue? What was your club head speed with the various 7i? This is an odd results just looking at it. Some players game improvement and players distance irons mixed in. I like that because you never know what might work best for you. This years PGA data is skewed because of Covid-19 but in 2019 the avg AoA for a 7i was -4.3° with 90mph club head speed 16.3° launch angle and went 172 yards. The USGA data avg. for men with a 7i is 138 yards Keep in mind PGA tour players can stretch these numbers because they know how to control launch and spin. But these are good base lines I feel that If a golfer can’t feel a shaft that’s properly weighted, the other factors (flex, torque, bend profile) are moot, that combined with the steep AoA generally speaking a lighter shaft might help correct that which is why I find it odd that the X100 was a choice As I mentioned you have a steep AoA so lighter shafts will usally tend to be your friend until you learn how to shallow out your swing better. Here are some shafts that some of them are no-upcharge from Mizuno. You should swing by a Golf Galaxy and test some of these. I picked 3 from 3 different OEMS that I would have pulled for you to test. Nippon Modus 120X (120g) Nippon Modus 105X (113g) Nippon Modus 115X (118.5g) (just released 11/12/20) True Temper Dynamic Gold 120 X100 (120g) (if you goes this route it is worth the money to get the Tour Issue version but that is a whole different conversation as to why.) True Temper Elevate Tour X (122G) True Temper Dynamic Gold AMT X100 (Tour issue only) (115g 4i ascending to 130g PW) KBS $-Taper Lite X (105g) (same deal as above)(worth trying something very light) KBS Tour V X (120G) KBS C-Taper Lite (115G) Honestly I have the opposite opinion of your fitter. Golf should be fun first and fore most and I would go with the set that allows you to maximize your current ability and where you are today. As you improve you can grow out of them and into something else. Also the 921 tours require elite ball striking however they are much more forgiving than my T-100, but neither are very forgiving in general. Also consider the MGS best value players club the NewLevel 902 you can get a demo 6/7 and a set of heads only is less than $500 and you can find shaft pulls and have a custom set built (https://www.newlevelgolf.com/online-store/10-Day-Demo-Program-p248261332) Hopefully my earlier thoughts give you some guidance. Any changes in golf feel very different when you start to make them. Try to get the trackman data The LAGP Texas Rebar are actually not that bad I just had no feel with them >_< Lol!!!!!!!! Hopefully my earlier comments explain why the optimizer gave you those results. You might have trouble finding a place to test the Nippon 115 and the KBS Tour V, but I would start with the 921 forged with the Nippon Modus 120X (no upcharge) the TT DG 120 X100 and C-Taper lite since they are all no-upcharge shafts from Mizuno.... I will also PM you some personal stuff for you as well....

Hey man I have been a ghost recently... I got hit with a s*** storm that would challenge anyones s***** 2020... Let me look through it and ill respond!

Welcome! That is super cool you play the trumpet, and this is a great place!