Hitting No offset

[bigperm]

I've played standard clubs my whole life due to just not being willing to drop the big money to gain a stroke or two.  Never even really paid attention to offset, reflecting back I'd guess my CG1s were not much offset and my first sets in the 1980's were probably not offset.  I recently acquired a set of forged clubs that are more of a player's club.  I know they aren't offset much if at all.... question is what should I adjust?  I'm literally 2 rounds in so I'd like to make the adjustments soon if needed.  I am a pretty consistent iron player with a tendency to draw naturally.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Why do you need to adjust anything?

Are you having some issue on the course?

 

[revkev]

I was going to say the same as RickyBobby - if you really need to adjust something they aren’t the right clubs for you, 

[bigperm]

5 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Why do you need to adjust anything?

Are you having some issue on the course?

 

Seems like I am just off line, most times a little more left than normal.

 

18 minutes ago, revkev said:

I was going to say the same as RickyBobby - if you really need to adjust something they aren’t the right clubs for you, 

So just don't learn??  

[revkev]

13 minutes ago, bigperm said:

Seems like I am just off line, most times a little more left than normal.

 

So just don't learn??  

Maybe I didn’t explain that properly - sorry - we should always be improving but the improvement should come in our swing - the clubs we play should enable that improvement not force us to change the swing to fit the equipment - if that makes sense. 
 

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

39 minutes ago, bigperm said:

Seems like I am just off line, most times a little more left than normal.

 

So just don't learn??  

Offline could be alignment and not the club or it could be the swing and not the club.

or it could be the club doesn’t fit your swing and is causing and issue with your delivery.

Learn what? 
 

If it’s learn to make the clubs work for me then no. The clubs should be working with me, not me learning something to make them work.

Im also not learning what they do. I learned that in my fitting whether I self fit or had a fitter do it.

If learning means to get better at golf then I am learning but I’m doing it with clubs that again work with me not me working to make them work

[cnosil]

32 minutes ago, bigperm said:

Seems like I am just off line, most times a little more left than normal.

 

So just don't learn??  

 

With these clubs you simply end  up a dispersion pattern that is a little more left.   Don't know if it is more draw or pull but your path could be a little more toward out to in, face could be more closed at impact, or both.   Generalizing less offset would have a more open face.  I'd say offset isn't the issue but possibly club weighting and just how you hit these particular clubs   When you were getting fit/trying the clubs was the left bias showing up?   You could aim more right if you wanted too adjust the dispersion pattern

[revkev]

Thinking of this do you practice with alignment sticks? 

[Donn lost in San Diego]

Spend a few minutes and dollars with a pro.  If you got this far, you say you are a 12, without a teacher, then that's great.  I don't want to criticize, especially as I see you just joined Spy.  But I am amazed at times that golfers with good scores ask people they have never met for swing advice.

[RickyBobby_PR]

5 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Spend a few minutes and dollars with a pro.  If you got this far, you say you are a 12, without a teacher, then that's great.  I don't want to criticize, especially as I see you just joined Spy.  But I am amazed at times that golfers with good scores ask people they have never met for swing advice.

Well going to an instructor you never met is the samething.

Depsite your disbelief there are people on forums who are either teachers, working in becoming a teacher, and some who understand the the swing and want to help people get better.

All are usually better options than the ones who try to go it alone with little to no understanding of the swing and end up creating different bad habits and prolonging th journey to getting better

[bigperm]

10 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Offline could be alignment and not the club or it could be the swing and not the club.

or it could be the club doesn’t fit your swing and is causing and issue with your delivery.

Learn what? 
 

If it’s learn to make the clubs work for me then no. The clubs should be working with me, not me learning something to make them work.

Im also not learning what they do. I learned that in my fitting whether I self fit or had a fitter do it.

If learning means to get better at golf then I am learning but I’m doing it with clubs that again work with me not me working to make them work

Ok now this makes sense.... I guess I will see what changing alignment does.  I won't mess with anything too much because I feel like I'm a decent iron striker, if it's not alignment then on to a different club.

[bigperm]

8 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Spend a few minutes and dollars with a pro.  If you got this far, you say you are a 12, without a teacher, then that's great.  I don't want to criticize, especially as I see you just joined Spy.  But I am amazed at times that golfers with good scores ask people they have never met for swing advice.

You are not wrong, I should get a lesson and .... (Gasp) I've never been fit.

[cnosil]

3 minutes ago, bigperm said:

(Gasp) I've never been fit.

Assuming this means you pick a set of clubs off the rack and hope they work.  Maybe you hit them first but no assessment of whether they work for you or performin the way you want.   As on of the MGS most wanted testers I can confirm that clubs perform differently…some are shorter, some longer, some higher launch, some lower launch, more or less spin, and as you are experiencing some go more left or right.  

[Shapotomous]

If you have pretty good ball flight but it is consistently left i would make sure to check the lie angle and see if it is too upright for your swing.

[RetiredBoomer]

10 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Assuming this means you pick a set of clubs off the rack and hope they work.  Maybe you hit them first but no assessment of whether they work for you or performin the way you want.   As on of the MGS most wanted testers I can confirm that clubs perform differently…some are shorter, some longer, some higher launch, some lower launch, more or less spin, and as you are experiencing some go more left or right.  

I don't even pick my clubs off a rack.
I buy them online without even seeing them first, much less trying them.
My experience is that they usually look just like they do in the photographs.

This is by no means to be construed as non-recognition of the benefits of custom-fitting.
I can't see how custom fitting from a competent professional wouldn't make a significant difference.       

I just, for some inexplicable reason, dread the process.  

Since this will be just one more year that I don't qualify for the Senior Open, 
I'll stay in my comfort zone,
but I think that if modern, hi-tech club-fitting were the norm when I was young,
I may likely have tried it then, if I could afford it..  
 

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, bigperm said:

Ok now this makes sense.... I guess I will see what changing alignment does.  I won't mess with anything too much because I feel like I'm a decent iron striker, if it's not alignment then on to a different club.

Before moving onto a different club there are things that can be done.

Alignment, grip, setup. Check all the basic stuff.

Then for a very cheap price get a dry erase or sharpie marker and draw a line on 3-4 balls. Make sure the clubface will hit the line. Use this to check to ensure you have the proper lie angle.

If going the different club route I would suggest getting fit so that you save time and money by not having to tinker and get used to the club or constantly having to make the swing work

[Donn lost in San Diego]

6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Well going to an instructor you never met is the samething.

Depsite your disbelief there are people on forums who are either teachers, working in becoming a teacher, and some who understand the the swing and want to help people get better.

All are usually better options than the ones who try to go it alone with little to no understanding of the swing and end up creating different bad habits and prolonging th journey to getting better

Hi RickBob, well, I know there are very good golfers here.  But I have SOME faith in the guys who teach for a living in person.  The fitter/teacher gotta see the body, the face, the person, the swings, in person , if it's my money.  I would rather waste money on one fitting that didn't work for me, compared to buying a set of clubs.  I never went back for a 2nd lesson 3 times before I had a lesson that I signed on for the series. 

[Donn lost in San Diego]

3 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said:

I don't even pick my clubs off a rack.
I buy them online without even seeing them first, much less trying them.
My experience is that they usually look just like they do in the photographs.

This is by no means to be construed as non-recognition of the benefits of custom-fitting.
I can't see how custom fitting from a competent professional wouldn't make a significant difference.       

I just, for some inexplicable reason, dread the process.  

Since this will be just one more year that I don't qualify for the Senior Open, 
I'll stay in my comfort zone,
but I think that if modern, hi-tech club-fitting were the norm when I was young,
I may likely have tried it then, if I could afford it..  
 

 

I was kind of stubborn too.  Didn't take a lesson for a while, tho I had many injuries.  I rejected 3 teachers where I had 1 free lesson, and didn't achieve anything.  Then I had 2 short lesson sessions and signed up and am very happy.  Talk to a professional for 5 minutes to measure for your personality. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Hi RickBob, well, I know there are very good golfers here.  But I have SOME faith in the guys who teach for a living in person.  The fitter/teacher gotta see the body, the face, the person, the swings, in person , if it's my money.  I would rather waste money on one fitting that didn't work for me, compared to buying a set of clubs.  I never went back for a 2nd lesson 3 times before I had a lesson that I signed on for the series. 

Actually the good instructors can do it with just video and feedback given to the student. There are plenty of examples around the internet of students making progress and significantly dropping their handicap with just submitting videos to their instructor then get feedback 24-48 hours, rinse and repeat over time.

obviously for a fitter in person is needed but there are fitters who could do a virtual fitting using a system like zoom and knowing want shafts and clubs the golfer has at their disposal.

Now some people need to be in person to learn but to say that is necessary just isn’t accuracy and is very short sighted.

 

[bigperm]

On 6/5/2024 at 2:02 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Actually the good instructors can do it with just video and feedback given to the student. There are plenty of examples around the internet of students making progress and significantly dropping their handicap with just submitting videos to their instructor then get feedback 24-48 hours, rinse and repeat over time.

obviously for a fitter in person is needed but there are fitters who could do a virtual fitting using a system like zoom and knowing want shafts and clubs the golfer has at their disposal.

Now some people need to be in person to learn but to say that is necessary just isn’t accuracy and is very short sighted.

 

I feel like it really could be my alignment after doing some research.

[RickyBobby_PR]

7 hours ago, bigperm said:

I feel like it really could be my alignment after doing some research.

What have you looked at and what from that gives you the conclusion it’s your alignment?