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17 minutes ago, Mizuno fan boy said:
I am also going to try and be a little more loose in my swing, when i swing easy fast and free I really get best results but when I get a little ampnor tense is when all swing faults get exaggerated. Same thing with irons, when I stay down and swing easy I get really good resuls, add some stress and tension and I am a topper.
Tension is bad for the golf swing especially in the arms and wrists
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5 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
I wonder, among good players (shoot in 80s or better), is your sand wedge used almost exclusively for sand, or, do most good golfers use a mid 50s loft for both sand and for short approach shots?
I use various clubs out of the sand. 9i or pw for longer shots. All wedges are also used for multiple type shots inside 130
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1 hour ago, Mizuno fan boy said:
When we check balance point, how do we do it.
By clamping it and putting a weight on the end and see where it bends.
the balance point is anywhere from somewhere around 45-60% up from the tip. It’s just one piece of the puzzle tho. Two shafts with similar balance points but different materials and designs can play differently. The overall flex profile of the shaft (not the label on the shaft) is more important.
two different counterbalanced shaft can and sometimes feel and play different from each other.
this is why it’s said find the weight you like then the stiffness profile or flex profile. Usually refers to the stiffness on the tip
1 hour ago, Mizuno fan boy said:That's the problem with self fitting my swing could be off and skew all my efforts to dial it in.
Yes self fitting without seeing and understanding the numbers and how they are charging due to how the shaft and head are affecting the swing is hard to do.
your swing isn’t necessarily off, it’s how well you are repeating your compensations for your swing. If you are hitting them off the crown you probably have a negative aoa and really hitting down on the driver. This is probably not something a shaft or loft change is going to fix.
you’re best bet is to go to a fitter to get the proper setup for you along with finding a good instructor to work on your swing
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12 minutes ago, Captwilks67 said:
I tend to Sky the ball, which makes me think:
A: I’m too steep
B: the driver is too long
C : shaft issue?
My guess with out seeing swing or dynamic loft is you are adding loft and that’s causing spin.
More than likely steep so you have to shallow with something like dipping the back shoulder and then flip the club to hit the ball. The added loft would cause the spin.
Does that come from a playing length to long or the wrong shaft? Its possible, but could just be a swing issue and what would happen with a shorter club or different shaft may reduce it some to may make it worse.
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1 hour ago, Captwilks67 said:
You’re certainly right about that. I spin mine with a 1k white 6x about 2800 and I’d like to get that down to 2k. Would help me go from 280 drives to 300
Look at where your contact on the face is the lower down the face the higher the spin. It can be a swing issue because even a contact near the middle of the face bout with a swipey swing across the face will cause higher spin.
Use search engine of choice and google diy driver tuneup and follow that to optimize your driver
- bama no 1 and Captwilks67
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1 hour ago, Josh Parker said:
I guess for me the answer would be, it all depends on the scenario. I have tried to lay up to a comfortable distance and it doesn't end up as well as hitting it further and have less club in.
The depend on fhe course is a course management approach and not you willing to give up your current distances to gain more accuracy. No different than saying it depends on the hole. This is where some people get confused on the strokes gained says closer to the hole is better, but leave or or aren’t aware of course management strategies that incorporate strokes gained into their methodology.
Whereas the op is kind of saying regardless if course im willing to sacrifice distance to be more accurate, which is how im reading most of the replies in here.
even pros dont hit driver all the time depsite again the closer is better part of strokes gained. There is risk that has to be mitigated.
The op admits that his issue comes from a grip and rip strategy which only works for someone like John Daly. Pros are giving up some good amount of their potential swing speed/ball speed and thus distance for control. Their dispersion pattern is 65 yards, that’s pretty wide when you think about. But they want control of the ball which is also why most aren’t hitting way up and are also playing a fade.
Going 100% on swings with any club is going to cause more issues than the benefit.
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On 6/5/2024 at 7:14 PM, KINGWinston said:
i appreciate it and i'll take a look but i don't think i'm "stuck" in methods that data doesn't support. Again, data only tells you one side of the story and i think you're missing that being so data driven. you can't always live on statistics. The beautiful thing about golf is everyone has a different way or view on how to get the ball in the hole the quickest.
Surenthere are lots of ways to get the ball in the hole but when people say I’ll give up 10,20,30 yards to be in the fairway so I can play better the data says that thinking and type of play doesn’t lead to better scores.
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7 hours ago, bigperm said:
I feel like it really could be my alignment after doing some research.
What have you looked at and what from that gives you the conclusion it’s your alignment?
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9 minutes ago, Dweed said:
@keatinho welcome to these forums. As you'll soon see, a lot of great information is available. Also, some information may not work for you. Only you can determine that. Take what works for you and discard what does not. @RickyBobby_PR provided some very good insights. Check into some lessons (they don't have to be really expensive) to help give you some directions to pursue. There is a lot of data available for sure, but learning golf has a lot of "feel" to it as well. Continue to look for those answers and remember, have fun. It is a fun sport after all. Again, welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the kind words
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2 hours ago, vandyland said:
But to a man, none of them have gone to a teaching pro, consistently, and given themselves a 6-9 month timeframe to rework their swing/fundamentals/etc.
unfortunately that is something that plagues a large number of golfers. The slow boat to China. Chasing feels then having to chase new ones because the ones they were working on they can’t replicate or they change rather than working on improving the correct motor patterns found in good swings.
Incorrectly self diagnosing swing issues and working on the wrong moves and making things worse or engrain a different bad pattern.
See it all across the internet and at local ranges.
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There’s no right or wrong answer. It’s what fits the individual golfer. A lot of people get along well with a high balance point or counterbalance shaft in ping heads.
It’s about find the right shaft weight and stiffness profile for the swing. Each person reacts differently from feel and balance of a shaft with head.
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5 hours ago, Imaxwell said:
It’s kind of funny that most of the “fans” of how it LOOKS, are mostly talking about how they don’t care how it looks; just how it performs.
This topic was started for opinions about the LOOKS of the new line. We all know the mad scientists in the lab will dissect it and break down all the performance numbers later. I’m sure it will be right up there as usual.
It seems the LOOKS of the lineup is a “meh” at best. Even from the fans of it.Not what I have read in this thread
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36 minutes ago, GolferXY said:
I've seen several on YouTube, but I've found that the only way to see if it works for me is to hit the various grinds. As I live in the Seattle area too, I know that it's nearly impossible to find a place where you can get fit for wedges outside on grass where it matters. The Home Course offers this I think. Otherwise, it is private clubs or guess.
This is the one downside of fittings. It’s hard to find a good wedge fitting because you really need a grass area and a bunker to test out of. Demo days at courses with grass ranges and a practice bunker are really the one way.
I haven’t had any issues with the recommendations from vokey fitting tool.
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2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
You are the very first time I have seen or heard "relief from contact with the ground". I don't think that phrase is even on Vokey site.
Wouldn't it be neat tho if there was some . . . ah, ain't gonna happen.
The phrase doesn’t need to be on the website. The relief is the to make certain shots easier or to help in forgiveness or to allow then club to get thru the ball better.
Plenty of resources to learnt about what heel and toe relief do rather than a scoffing at it for lack of understanding and its benefit.
And vokey does use the word relief on the website.
WEDGEWORKS L GRIND
The L Grind is a popular choice with players who seek a low bounce option with heel, toe, and trailing edge relief.
Also uses it for the T Grind
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56 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
The word relief. What? Relief from what? Relief actually means that the sole has been grinded down, but the word doesn't mean that in the real world. Because relief means sharper difference between a uniform sole and one that has been shaped, and a change in the degree of bounce at different parts of the sole. Let's replace the word Relief with the word Shape. Thus speaketh Donn.
Relief has numerous meanings, picking one of them to make some kind of point maybe to mask confusion of grinds is disingenuous.
A relief pitcher in baseball bas nothing to do with what you claim the meaning is, as an example.The relief is from contact with the ground. Theres heel relief and toe relief.
56 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:Different letters that don't mean anything. And of course, no two wedge makers want to use the same letter designation, do they?
They signify whatever the manufacturer decides them to be to distinguish one from another. Theres no standard for anything in golf, so no big surprise companies that use letters don’t have a standard. Not to mention most have nowhere near the amount of grind options as vokey.
Cleveland used to do a dot system for low mid and high bounce.
the best thing about todays world is all the information one needs is right at their fingertips. Anyone can go on a manufacturers website and learn about their grind options and what they do
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1 hour ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
Hi RickBob, well, I know there are very good golfers here. But I have SOME faith in the guys who teach for a living in person. The fitter/teacher gotta see the body, the face, the person, the swings, in person , if it's my money. I would rather waste money on one fitting that didn't work for me, compared to buying a set of clubs. I never went back for a 2nd lesson 3 times before I had a lesson that I signed on for the series.
Actually the good instructors can do it with just video and feedback given to the student. There are plenty of examples around the internet of students making progress and significantly dropping their handicap with just submitting videos to their instructor then get feedback 24-48 hours, rinse and repeat over time.
obviously for a fitter in person is needed but there are fitters who could do a virtual fitting using a system like zoom and knowing want shafts and clubs the golfer has at their disposal.
Now some people need to be in person to learn but to say that is necessary just isn’t accuracy and is very short sighted.
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33 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:
great post, my takeaway is "swing your swing" the reason I say that is we have a senior player at our club that takes every shot really inside on the takeaway. 2 years ago he shot 72-72 in our club championship and I made the mistake of not taking him seriously due to his odd swing. Well, as I have gotten to play with him more he does not miss the centre of the club face and fires right at the pins... I learned an important lesson, "don't judge a book by it's cover".
How many hours as he spent honing in that swing? Is he shallowing it properly and shifting pressure properly? He might be but he might not be but again he’s more than likely spent a lot of time getting the necessary compensations down. Kim furyk takes it pretty far inside too, but it’s not a swing any instructor would teach or recommend copying.
the swing my swing leaves out that there are basics of the swing that still need to happen. Palmer swung his swing but he also did all the basics correct with grip, sequencing and pressure shifts.
the comment of swing your swing like the hold the grip like holding a bird keeps amateurs from improving. The part of the hold the club like holding a bird leaves out the second part of “like it’s an eagle trying to get away”
Theres an easy way to swing the gold club and then there are numerous hard ways. We have actual measured data that shows what the very best do. Doing those same things as amateurs will make the swing better and easier. It doesn’t mean an amateur will swing like a pro, but they will swing better.
Inside takeaway comes from improper wrist set and pressure shifts.
There are many instructors that have shown this success with students by getting them to get pressure to lead side earlier and better swings when the wrist sets properly and early
- Jim Shaw, BobBC78 and cksurfdude
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3 minutes ago, BobBC78 said:
@RickyBobby_PR Thanks for your input. I suspect that your comment about fixing the takeaway is very much "on point" and I'll be working on takeaway first.
You’re welcome. Here to help whenever possible. Always feel free to post a video for review or if you want a good video to drill an aspect of the swing.
Once the club is at p2 aka parallel to the ground the rest of the swing is just turning
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39 minutes ago, steve2526 said:
I was actually curious about which grind the community thinks would be best for the bump and run with a 54* and consulted my fitter. His opinion was that the 54* in the F grind would be best for this shot. Curious what others think... Supposedly and visually, the F grind has more lead edge relief for ease of getting through grass on those square faced chips.
Usually use 58* for partial shot, open face shots, bunker and anything else inside 100 yds. I seem to limit 54* to full shots and bump and run around the greens.
The F grind is very popular and is versatile. S as well. I have played both in most my wedges and have been experimenting with the M and D grinds the last couple releases to see how they perform.
Both F and S are popular on tour in the “sw” range of lofts
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1 hour ago, bigperm said:
Ok now this makes sense.... I guess I will see what changing alignment does. I won't mess with anything too much because I feel like I'm a decent iron striker, if it's not alignment then on to a different club.
Before moving onto a different club there are things that can be done.
Alignment, grip, setup. Check all the basic stuff.
Then for a very cheap price get a dry erase or sharpie marker and draw a line on 3-4 balls. Make sure the clubface will hit the line. Use this to check to ensure you have the proper lie angle.
If going the different club route I would suggest getting fit so that you save time and money by not having to tinker and get used to the club or constantly having to make the swing work
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1 hour ago, BobBC78 said:
Yesterday I did a medium bucket (about 70 balls) at the NKGC range, mostly working on full swing. I got there around 9:00 am, so it was not too crowded and I was able to video swings with several different clubs, both 9 to 3 and full. From reviewing the videos (some of which I will send to Kirk) I was able to notice several things:
- I still tend to take the club too inside on the back swing. This happens whether regardless of whether I'm hitting a full or partial shot.
- I am releasing the club too early in the downswing, basically just before impact, instead of after. As a side note, on chips, pitches and very short full swing motion shots, I hold off release until after impact.
- On full shots, I do not start the downswing with my lower body as well as I'm able to do on short swings.
Editorial comment: The above is exactly why video is such an important tool, feel does not give me this feedback.
Finished the session at the practice green, chipping from various lies and green reading.
You more than likely have no choice but to release the angles early in order to hit the ball because the club is out of position in transition and downswing due to the inside takeaway. The early release isn’t a fault it’s a compensation.
Also as an fyi in a good swing the release of the club is happening before impact as the lead wrist should be moving from flexion to extension. What most amateurs do what many call a flip, if they didn’t they would hit the ball much worse.
Fox the takeaway and possibly the backswing and it should help give a better transition and more of a proper release pattern
- cksurfdude and BobBC78
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1 hour ago, ryan.mzzz said:
my opinion, unplayable due to the glare on top. so, uggo to the max.
Of course, my reaction to titleist drivers probably has something to do with the fact that I lost approximately 100,000 balls in the woods of west virginia with my trusty 915 driver and I thought all that spinning was my fault. then I got a ping g400 and stopped losing balls. so, i doubt i’ll ever get over that impression and use a titleist driver again.
at the same time, i’m dreading the day the powers that be in the golf world get between me and my yellow v1x’s. i may have to build up a prepper style years long supply right before that happens.
So a bad fit and it’s the club/manufacturers fault.
fyi Ping because of their head designs and moi are some of the highest spinning heads on the market, even their lst model spins higher than other lst models
- William P, Rob Person and bama no 1
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Does hitting an Ace in Golf is a luck or a skill?
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Had a buddy basically skull a pw on a par 3 at local 9 hole course and it bounced and rolled all the way to to hole and went in for an ace. Zero skill involved in that ace