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1 minute ago, funkyjudge said:
Ricky, if I could give that post multiple fires, I would do that! Those points are dead on the mark.
With all the information out on the internet from shaft manufacturers, people like tutleman, Wishon and a number of other renowned fitters it’s amazing how much old thoughts and perceptions still exist after having been debunked years ago
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1 minute ago, funkyjudge said:
I say “just forget about the numbers stamped on your irons and know how far you hit every iron in your bag”. If those irons perform as desired for you, giving you the desired trajectories and descent angles, you’re good to go.
Same. I have a good idea what the club is doing during the fitting even if I’m not looking at the monitor or having the fitter give me the info. I then get additional data when on the range and course and know my distances pretty quickly. What loft is associated with a club doesn’t matter until I start setting my wedges up and use the 9i to give me a starting point for my first wedge including if I want to use a specialty wedge vs a set wedge.
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11 minutes ago, TK_ said:
Loft exposes the companies for pushing false narratives for “longest ever” when all they’re doing is cranking it down the loft. It would also provide the buyers the understanding of what they’re actually hitting. When I switched clubs I was actually pissed the lofts were do drastically different. I would prefer to say, my 27 degree did x, my 24 degree did y, etc. Which is what I say, to my newer golf friends I say, this is basically your x even though it is my y.
This is so far from being correct. It’s far beyond what they are doing.
Why did it matter what the lofts were? You still knew how far each one went
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1 hour ago, ILMgolfnut said:
Personally I wish they stamped lofts on the clubs. I can't find the specs for the clubs I replaced in 2022, so I have no idea (although I strongly suspect) that my 7 iron then had the same (or more) loft as my 9 iron now. But that's just me; YMMV.
Sounds like you aren’t looking in the right places. I’ve found specs for clubs that are almost 10 years old.
1 hour ago, ILMgolfnut said:Shaft flex also affects height
Shaft flex has no impact on height. Shafts have an affect on feel for some and non for others. Shafts themselves have an affect on dynamic loft. The dynamic loft delivered along with the swing path, face to path and face angle combined with swing speed determine height, spin, apex and descent angle
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5 hours ago, MissionMan said:
I thought I knew how to generate power from my legs, but I was wrong. I'm one of those golfers who plays decently but finds that I randomly generate an extra 5-10mph of club head speed without knowing how. It's those occasions where you take a 90% swing and hit 10-15 yards further. Then you try with the 90% swing, and despite hitting the centre of the club, it goes shorter again, and you can't understand why that one swing went longer, or what the secret sauce was. For a period, I though it was my striking location, but with my skytrak, I managed to validate that my club head speed is much faster when I got my tempo right.
I have been working on my weight transfer with chipping and pitch shots. At the time, it was about building consistency with the chipping strike by making sure I transferred my weight correctly so I could get more consistent with distances. It's been working well so far. While working on it, I worked out I could swing the club with just my leg movement and weight transfer without my head moving or swaying and I realised how bad my leg movement had been to date. Initially, I thought I must be swaying, but a bit of camera work validated I wasn't, I was just turning better and using my legs properly.
I tried using it with my 9 iron for full strikes and wow, I've basically gone from a 145 yard 9 iron to a 155 yard 9 iron, and best of all, my iron striking consistency has improved as well.
Have you ever had that moment when you realise you've been doing something wrong all your life, or basically misunderstood the mechanics of something?
Interesting that you found this especially from chipping but also pitching because there really is no pressure shifting in those especially chipping.
But yes this is the key to a good swing and speed. If pressure shifts are off the club is goin to get out of position at some point and low point control and face control become issues due to the need to compensate.
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10 minutes ago, cnosil said:
It is simply men and their egos which will never go away. We could point to shaft flexes and could have the same debate, but it isn’t as easy to argue. People say I need a stiff or x-stiff shaft and OEMs just label the shaft that way and people are happy because they don’t see or understand profiles and that OEMs just make up flex designations. With irons people want to hit the 8 iron 200 yards and when they do people point to the published specs and say it really isn’t and 8 iron.
Exactly. And when you hear long drive guys say they are using lightweight ladies flex is just makes those guys sound silly to put it nicely
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Just now, GolfSpy_APH said:
I don't think this debate or issue or sticking point will ever end. Unfortunately. I would like to see curved faces put a new wrinkle in the debate for ppl tho.
It’s an interesting design. Clubs and balls today are already designed to go straighter. What he’s done with the bulge makes it even easier. It appears to not have affected his control.
If he ever finds a driver setup that can handle his swing he might be unstoppable. He was messing with drivers in the range trying to avoid going right which is what his miss was all day except for a few pulls.
Jacked loft and bulged face has to be cheating right
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Just now, GolfSpy_APH said:
At what point do we truly stop caring what the loft as Bryson has his curved irons and just maybe the bulge effects the loft however slights in different parts of the head. Again it is a number, as long as gapping and the clubs fit the golfer, then their 8 iron is their 8 iron. Doesn't matter what anyone else is playing.
Good question. I guess as long as people have some qualm about what the manufacturers today do this will be a subject that comes up every few months.
Ive seen debates around the internet complaining about lofts on fairway woods and the back in my day woods were blah blah blah
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4 minutes ago, Relsr said:
I played a round with a set of irons that had the loft on the bottom instead of iron numbers and I stayed confused all day.
If it was my first day with a set like that I would debate for a little but by 3-4 holes I would have an idea of what loft goes what distance.
But I also have an idea what my lofts are and definitely know ho far they go. I base my wedge gapping of my 9i so I know lofts from 9i down and then know my gaps up so I can guess pretty quick what a 50° club is going to do and adjust from there
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11 minutes ago, Preeway said:
I haven’t said his PGA exemption is hurting anyone. Didn’t say this is hurting anyone either. But the “Tiger Effect” is anything like it used to be. And there are hoards of people complaining about the amount of TV time he gets even though he isn’t anywhere near contention. This year’s Masters was a good example. It was annoying how much attention he was getting compared to other players who were in the top 10. While nobody was going to catch Scottie, I didn’t need to see Tiger hit another errant tee shot or make another double. Time will tell if this is a good move or not. I doubt he even uses this exemption very often considering his inability to play very often anymore.
The Tiger effect is still the same. People want to see Tiger even if it’s for two days and the hope that he can play well enough to make the weekend. When you are still the needle the effect is still there.
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3 minutes ago, skraeling said:
hell if I know dude was just throwing it out there. I wasnt being super specific my guy.
Exactly. Everyone throws the term traditional out there as if it means something specific and to defend their stance about jacked lofts.
It’s why cnosil pointed out in another reply that lofts have been getting jacked since the 60s so is the complaint something new or has it been there since the 60s.
For most it’s just a recent complaint because many started playing golf with either lofts from the 80s and 90a, so they are either unfamiliar with lofts before that or just have a recency bias
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8 minutes ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:
I guess I really do not understand why numbers on clubs matter SO much. If you know what distance the club you hit goes, isn't that what it really boils down to? It's easier for me to say "I'm going to hit my 8 iron here" instead of "I'm going to hit my 8 iron, but it's a game improvement iron so the loft is a little stronger, so it's actually more like a 7 iron if I were playing a player's iron." If someone I am playing with asks me what club I am using for a shot, I'll say which club it is and what distance I usually hit it.
I think we all play the game to enjoy it and not over analyze what lofted club is stamped what. Just my two cents.
Because some people’s egos get hurt when their playing partners claim they hit their 8i further than they do. So the jacked loft to them is what caused it.
Or some just hate that there are sets with lower lofts than previous generations of irons and they don’t like change, the race for distance or whatever. They also tend to not understand the designs being used in those irons and that it’s more than just loft that determines distance
One member here with a low handicap had a fitting and they were hitting all 3 Mizuno irons in different categories that have different lofts the same distance.
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3 minutes ago, skraeling said:
You can get some sets with traditional lofts, I think Ping in particular gives the option for how you can loft them... or maybe it was cobra. Either way the option is there.
Traditional to what era. The term traditional doesn’t mean anything. Is traditional the 1950/ iron lofts, or maybe the 30s, or possible from when golf started. Or is it the 70s or 80s. At this point lofts from the 90s could be traditional for some people.
Lofts have been increasing since the 1960s it’s not some new phenomenon that started in the 2000s.
Ping offers retro lofts. Their retro pw loft is 47° that pick fall between 50° loft of the 80s and the 48° of the 90s-2000s. So is traditional a 52° pw from the 60s, 50° from the 80s or 48° from the 90s which in many current cbs and MBs 46-48 is typical for pw.
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20 minutes ago, Preeway said:
It isn’t hate for Tiger. The elevated events are a response to players jumping for LIV and a way to get more money into the hands of the top players. Tiger isn’t going to LIV and he isn’t a top player. If they want him there because it guarantees more viewers and thereby more sponsorship money, then so be it. It’s just a bad look IMO. And when he end up finishing 60 out of 72 on a regular basis, his ability to gain more viewers will also likely diminish as well.
I’m only a a couple years older than Tiger and followed everything that was Tiger through my high school playing days. I still want to watch to see if he’s got another win left in him. But watching him struggle to break par these days isn’t must see TV.
Tiger has a lifetime exemption on the pga tour already. This does nothing to hurt anyone and gives the exemption back to him for events prior to this past season he already had.
He’s also not hurting anyone currently playing if he plays in one. The PGA Tour expanded the fields for these events so it actually helped more people have the chance to play in them.
having the best player at an event isn’t a bad look, it’s a bonus. Was it a bad look when the U.S. Open gave him an exemption? No and nobody was complaining on here that he got one.
If you think his performance or lack of will eventually stop drawing viewers you really have no idea about the Tiger effect. The viewers and fans will be there because they want to see Tiger and the belief that his game is still good enough to win. It’s no different than when Jack or Arnie showed up. They draw eyes no matter what.
You may not want to see him but there are lots of people that still do. Denying that is not based in reality.
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The tiger hate is hilarious.
Tiger is the needle. Nobody had issues with Jack and others playing in events well past their prime.
They added more spots to the events so they opened the door for even more current players to get a chance. More opportunities for everyone
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How it feels for you nobody will know because we aren’t you. For some there may be no change in feel.
Its not going to have the same twist because they have different properties but even the about of twist isn’t going to be that much. You may feel something different at impact on mishits because of the stiffness profile of the shaft and the difference in how the shafts are built or you may not.
go to a place that has the ventus blue and test it to see. That’s the only way you are going to know how it feels and if it works for you. Anyone here is just guessing at what your experience will be
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8 hours ago, The Iron Man said:
I get that...and in any of the pro's golf bags they just play what works for them. Their caddies know more about their clubs than the players do because they need to have a trained eye for those specifics.
There are caddies that have no idea or very limited idea. We can use Rory’s caddy who is just his buddy and has very little input into what Rory does on the course.
Pros know their distances and what each club downs because they spend hours upon hours every day hitting balls on the range and or scoring on the course.
Your making points about things have nothing to with your topic and my initial reply.
If you want to talk about what pros do that’s great but that is off topic for what you posted and why I tried to on why you see so many of the Aerojet’s returned
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8 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said:
think stopping the numbers at such a strong loft and then carrying a whole bunch of add-on wedges is silly.
I'm not trying to convince anybody to agree. I'm jus
More prof that you choose ignore the design aspects to rest about a preference while at the same time saying it’s not a big deal and that you get it.
Anyways, I’m out
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2 minutes ago, The Iron Man said:
Okay. And the other thing pros do is figure their distance gaps without worry about the loft or specific iron numbers. To improve our own games we need to approach what goes in our own golf bags with the same mindset. That's why they don't play two clubs that go the same distance. I think it's so easy to overanalyze the loft specs and remember that all clubs are essentially designed to accomplish the same thing.
I don’t disagree with you but that isn’t what my reply was even talking about. Also some pros have no idea about their clubs. They let the fitter do all that and when it fits their window and their feel they are good. Then you have a tiger woods who knows when his loft is off by 1/2° just based on flight. There’s a story that he told the TM guys his irons were of by 1/2°, they were like no they are on spec. He said nope. They went and checked and sure enough they were off by 1/2°
i am very familiar with the buying habits of the regular golfer. I spent 6 years working in the fitting side of golf and about 15 years around the retail side along with playing with a large number of regular golfers. They have no idea about their specs. All the know is what club goes what total distance. They have no idea what loft of their club is, what the launch and spin is, or what their carry yardage is. They don’t know it because they don’t care. All it’s about is how far does it go. When the buy new all that matters is new goes further than what they have.
The ones who want to get better will pay more attention but they also tend to get for.
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18 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:
No, I did catch that but still not in favor of the exemption. Adding it to the elevated events just seems a bot too much. But it is all about the money, so there is that.
He’s not gong to play in most of those events. He’s barely going to play a full schedule and he’s already said he has to be careful before a major to not get hurt before the major.
It’s way less of an issue than I see some people making out of it.
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14 minutes ago, kam89 said:
I mean I'm a beginner and I'm playing mp64s from 13 years ago. You learn to hit what you have once you've developed a swing and everything is locked in then get fitted. I can't see the cost being worth it when my swing is still updating weekly
You likely develop bad habits playing incorrectly for clubs. Fittings has a bigger benefit to new and high handicap golfers. Get fit early and develop a proper swing with clubs that work with hour swing
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22 minutes ago, Rob Person said:
Which is better? Buy a new club or have older clubs bent for better performance?
Depends on what the issue is and how big. When bending loft you affect bounce so while adding or reducing loft might fix spin or launch it could negatively impact turf interaction.
The issue may not be loft but feel that’s causing dynamic loft to be affected so reshafting might be needed and that could get more expensive than buying a new set.
The best thing to do to avoid all that is get fit by a good fitter.
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37 minutes ago, The Iron Man said:
I'm thinking that they decided the lofts or simply the shafts were wrong for them. My sense was that they gained too much loft in their irons. I didn't notice this as much in the Speedzones, but we will see what the difference is between the 42.5 degree Speedzone PW and the F9 44 degree PW.
Most amateurs don’t get fit. Most amateurs have no idea what the loft of irons they play are, all they see is a number and then does the club with that number on it go further than the one I have. They have no idea why it does or doesn’t.
Some amateurs buy new every year and some don’t. Theres a multitude of reasons why people return stuff and guessing it’s because too much loft is probably low down on the list
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Tiger is the biggest draw, it has huge financial benefit for the tour, the city where the tournament js held and ultimately for the pga tour members.
It appears that you missed the other announcement that they approved a minimum of 72 players in these events.
BTW Tiger already has a lifetime tour exemption so before today he can show up to any non select event and play and bump someone who worked hard that could have played in the event.
Plus if anyone ever reaches 80+ wins they get the exemption too so while the chances are Tiger will be the only golfer ever to get to use it. It’s an actual category others can qualify for with an exceptional career
DeChambeau doesn't hit his 8 iron 200 yards
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Actually that isn’t accurate either. That only matters for those with later releases.
pretty much every concept from the old days has been debunked by actual measurements and data.