Donn lost in San Diego Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 What is the difference between cast urethane and injected urethane? Both in terms of what it actually means and how it is made, and, on the course what is diff in feel or performance? Quote Drv: PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex; and 2004 Callaway 454 Ti 10 deg on RCH 65 regular flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1 on Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body now (June 2024) on Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno 2017 version JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 Mizuno S5 52/09. One bent up 2 degrees, one bent down 2 degrees.. And a 60 deg Mizu T7. Chipper: Ancien Regime Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, 2 piece, Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 For 99% of us? No difference at all on course. In terms of manufacturing what's different? Just different processes to get to a pretty similar end result. The casting process is a little more expensive, so die-hard supporters will tell you it gives you a thinner, softer finished product. Almost all of the Tour balls from the big manufacturers are cast (I believe Srixon and Bridgestone are injection?) If you want the Titleist take on it, they have a good promo piece that nerds out a bit - https://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/team-titleist/f/the-clubhouse/48136/did-you-know-not-all-urethane-covers-are-the-same (Worth noting after you watch that... The Titleist Tour Speed is injection-molded.) Donn lost in San Diego and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm319 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Cast thermoset urethane: chemical components are added to the mold separately where a chemical reaction crosslinks at a molecular level. Once cast the material cannot be recycled (as a result there tends to be more scrap which adds to the cost). The casting process takes longer to deliver a completed cover also adding cost, but the result tends to be a more durable, softer, thinner cover. Only 5 facilities on the planet that support this production process in a meaningful capacity (two owned by Acushnet, two owned by Taylormade, and Foremost who is independent though Taylormade also has a stake in that factory). As of today brands are pretty much limited to Titleist, Taylormade, Vice, Maxfli, and Wilson. Injection molded thermoplastic urethane (TPU): chemical components premixed and injection molded similar to other thermoplastics (ionomer/surlyn balls are produced the same way). Process is faster, cheaper, and material can be melted back down and reused once formed. Finished covers tend to be harder, thicker, and less durable than thermoset urethane, but still thinner and softer than ionomers. Big brands that use this production method are Bridgestone, Callaway, Srixon and then pretty much every other white label factory other than Foremost that produce balls for the majority of the smaller DTC brands (Acushnet also uses this method for the Titleist Tour Speed). TLDR: All other variables equal, thermoset urethane covers should be softer/thinner (tends to produce more spin) and tend to be more durable. With that said, other variables can be adjusted to account for the cover difference, granted it is difficult to make up for feel for those that a sensitive to cover hardness. Edited December 7, 2023 by storm319 Donn lost in San Diego, PhilM75072, paperclip and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Titleist TS2 9.5 Fairway: Tour Edge CB4 Tour 16.5 Irons: Titleist 690.CB 3-PW Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 50, 56 Putter: Odyssey Works Versa 1W Ball: Vice Pro Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golf2Much Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 9:37 PM, storm319 said: Cast thermoset urethane: chemical components are added to the mold separately where a chemical reaction crosslinks at a molecular level. Once cast the material cannot be recycled (as a result there tends to be more scrap which adds to the cost). The casting process takes longer to deliver a completed cover also adding cost, but the result tends to be a more durable, softer, thinner cover. Only 5 facilities on the planet that support this production process in a meaningful capacity (two owned by Acushnet, two owned by Taylormade, and Foremost who is independent though Taylormade also has a stake in that factory). As of today brands are pretty much limited to Titleist, Taylormade, Vice, Maxfli, and Wilson. Injection molded thermoplastic urethane (TPU): chemical components premixed and injection molded similar to other thermoplastics (ionomer/surlyn balls are produced the same way). Process is faster, cheaper, and material can be melted back down and reused once formed. Finished covers tend to be harder, thicker, and less durable than thermoset urethane, but still thinner and softer than ionomers. Big brands that use this production method are Bridgestone, Callaway, Srixon and then pretty much every other white label factory other than Foremost that produce balls for the majority of the smaller DTC brands (Acushnet also uses this method for the Titleist Tour Speed). TLDR: All other variables equal, thermoset urethane covers should be softer/thinner (tends to produce more spin) and tend to be more durable. With that said, other variables can be adjusted to account for the cover difference, granted it is difficult to make up for feel for those that a sensitive to cover hardness. As a plastics engineer by trade, very good explanation @storm319! If I could add layman's examples of thermosets and thermoplastics that may help people not familiar with the terms. As mentioned, in thermoset a chemical reaction takes place where the polymer bonds crosslink or connect to one another. This reaction is permanent and cannot be reversed. The best example would be an egg. Once hard boiled, the egg's protein structure has changed and cannot be reversed to the egg's initial state. Thermoplastics on the other hand are more like an ice cube. By adding heat you can melt the ice cube into water, by adding pressure you can flow the water it into a new shape and that shape is retained once cooled to the proper temperature. If you don't like the shape, you can repeat the cycle of heating, shaping and cooling process over and over again until you get it right. I hope this might help a little. storm319, Donn lost in San Diego, PhilM75072 and 1 other 4 Quote Ping G430 Max driver 10.5 degrees with an Alta Quick45 gram senior shaft Callaway Epic 3 wood, Project X Evenflow Green 45 gram senior shaft Callaway GBB Epic Heavenwood, with a Mitsubishi Diamana 50 gram senior shaft Ping G 20.5 degree 7 wood, with a stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Ping G 26 degree hybrid, stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Callaway Paradym X irons, 7-AW with Aldila Ascent Blue 50 graphite shafts Edison wedges: 50, 55 and 60 degree, KBS Tour Graphite A flex shafts Putters: L.A.B. Direct Force 2.1 putter, 34.5" long, 67 degrees lie 2022 MGS Tester: Shot Scope Pro XL+ with H4 2023 MGS Tester: Callaway Paradym X Irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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