revkev Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I just recently put my old Ping Eye 2's into my bag - they have a thicker sole than my Mizuno's - I was hitting my Mizuno's well until late and hit them great in Indiana where the ground was firmer. I hit the Pings very well and shot a 74 the other day with them - I'm wondering if the thicker sole isn't better in wet conditions than the thiner sole? Has anyone ever experimented with using a thicker sole when you're playing consistently in wet conditions and then switching back when it dries out? Just curious. Driver: Taylor Made Xi10 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I haven't tried intentionally switching back and forth based on conditions. However I played the Adams CMB's earlier this year and since I've gotten the Amp Cells I've been playing those. Needless to say the Amp Cells are much thicker than the CMB's and I've had a few chances to play them in wetter conditions. I would agree with you that the thicker sole does make it a little more difficult to really chunk one. By no means am I saying I haven't tried digging to China with them, but if you get a little heavy they still produce a good shot and don't dig as much. I think the biggest caveat to this strategy is that you need to be very familiar with both sets of irons (which is seems you are). When switching to a new set it always takes me a few rounds to get used to them, so not sure if switching back and forth all the time would be a good idea for me. On the other hand we all know about the honeymoon period with new clubs, so maybe it's possible to continually switch clubs and ride a perpetual honeymoon period for the whole season Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I was actually told that way back. The Pings were supposed to be better clubs in the wet season and the thin soles in the dry but after I got to know my Pings I just got to using them in all seasons and let Hogans go, without planning to do so. The guy just took them and left payment in excess behind when all I had agreed to was to let him use it until he could find the same model for himself. Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 While I haven't tried it. This could be a winner for OEMs to provide the same model club but one for wetter conditions and one for dryer conditions Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey golf Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I haven't tried this before. This is the challenge of golf, adapting to course conditions. I wouldn't want to pay for two irons sets for different course conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apprenti23 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Thicker soles generally have a lot more bounce than the thin soled counterparts. More bounce is great for soft conditions and low bounce for hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Tuna Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Rev: Entirely agree. When I played my Pro Combo's in the Spring/Fall/Winter here which is always quite wet, the thin sole and the sharp leading edge provided a very different playing experience then something with a wider sole. Even moving the ball back, doing 3/4 swings and choking down were minimal band aids. They simply didn't like the wet. While we live here, I'm fairly firm in that I've got a set for the rainy season and a set for the summer. I laught at your claims to fight a zombie apocalypse when most of you can't stand up to a Spider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverRick Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I have actually changed the clubs in my bag based on course conditions. In the winter, I used to switch to Ben Hogan CFT's because the wider soles, and use hybrids instead of long irons. But honestly, I did not play any better with these than any others. Here is the problem with this argument. Contact with the ground is supposed to happen after contact with the ball. The wider soles will perhaps keep you from taking as deep of a divot, but should have very little effect on the actual ball striking. The softer ground may give a bit more and not compress the ball as much. The moisture in the ground will act as a lubricant and reduce the spin so it may not carry as far, but the reality is the sole should not impact the ground until the ball it already struck. Hybrids rather than long irons are different, especially if you have more of a wood type hybrid. I played today, both before and after a storm, I did not change the bag. The ball may have gone a bit shorter because of the conditions, and the divots may have been deeper but I seriously doubt it had any effect on the score. The wetter greens certainly did affect the putting. G430 LST 10.5° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Driver G430 Max 15° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Fairway SIM2 Rescue 3H on T P T POWER 18 Hi Hybrid P790 Black 4-G on i95 S SM9 54° & 58° on Wedge DF2.1 on White ProV1 Precision Pro NX7 Pro All Iron grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated Mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apprenti23 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Here is the problem with this argument. Contact with the ground is supposed to happen after contact with the ball. The wider soles will perhaps keep you from taking as deep of a divot, but should have very little effect on the actual ball striking. The softer ground may give a bit more and not compress the ball as much. It has a huge affect regardless of ball first impact or not. Bounce affects the way a club sits at address. Soft conditions and you end up with leading edge lower at address so you need more bounce to counter and raise it up a bit. If you have the leading edge low, then have low bounce its going to act like a knife and just dig. Now on firm conditions the leading edge sits up so you need low bounce to counter and get it lower. Once you realize how the club works it makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I really appreciate all the comments. I should add that it is hard for someone who doesn't play here to understand just how dramatically our conditions change between summer and winter. I'm not talking about what one might regularly face because a storm went through - it literally is like playing two totally different golf courses, different grass, different sand, rough, no rough - 25 yards different in distance off the tee - its remarkable. I was hitting my irons brilliantly prior to leaving for Indiana - between that trip and having to take several weeks off on account of an issue at work I returned to a totally different golf course - since switching out my irons my ball striking has returned - I hit 12 greens on Tuesday which is very good for me or most people for that matter - 9/10 is my average. We get 10/12 inches of rain a month on average in July/August/September - that's three quarters of our annual rainfall, which is a high annual to begin with, in three months - by November we are down to less than 2 inches a month so that it's dry as a bone in March/April. Driver: Taylor Made Xi10 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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