Bogeyfree69

Great trip for you and your son!   I did Southwest Ireland June of 2017.   Played Old Head, Ballybunion (Old), Waterville, Killarney Golf and Fish (Killeen), Tralee, Dooks and Dingle Golf Links.  Had the best time.   We stayed at the Pax House in Dingle and can’t say enough good things about it.  View from room attached along with a clip from Tralee.

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Been away doing a little travel and not much golf recently but as part of my travels stopped in to see some golf trip buddies in Knoxville, TN for a few days and went with one of my buddies to see his grandson’s high school golf match.   His grandson is a freshman and is playing as number 2 on his team.  During the match one of the opposing players would mark his ball with a tee.   I’m aware a tee can be used and the USGA definition of a ball-marker is “an artificial object such as a tee, coin, or other object made to be a ball-marker, or another small piece of equipment.    During my observation of the match the other players tee was on numerous occasions in general line when the other players would be chipping or putting.   Even if he was asked to move it would still would be bothersome.   On one occasion after the player chipped marked his ball with the tee another player didn’t hit a very good chip the ball stopped directly beside the tee,   The kid was asked to move his “tee” which he did and then stood directly behind the kid putting so to get the line of the putt.   On the last hole my buddies grandson hit a drive about 30 yards behind the same kid who used a tee to mark his ball.   The kid who used a tee stood in the middle of the fairway with his range finder as my buddies grandson who was ready to hit waited patiently since the kid was directly in front of him.   He waited for about a minute or so as the kid stood there.  Finally my friends grandson yelled up to him and after the kid turned around and saw him he shot the pin again and made him wait.  
I’ve never seen worse etiquette during a match in my life.  It took everting I had to not say anything to the kids coach.
It still annoys me.   Am I wrong?  I appreciate all opinions.      

This kid was a senior and you could tell he’s been playing for a while.  But I agree with you on etiquette needs to be taught.   I kinda felt it wasn’t my place to say something since I just was visiting but kinda regret not.   Appreciate the input.

I couldn’t agree more.   I think he didn’t care and was being a jacka** on purpose.

Been away doing a little travel and not much golf recently but as part of my travels stopped in to see some golf trip buddies in Knoxville, TN for a few days and went with one of my buddies to see his grandson’s high school golf match.   His grandson is a freshman and is playing as number 2 on his team.  During the match one of the opposing players would mark his ball with a tee.   I’m aware a tee can be used and the USGA definition of a ball-marker is “an artificial object such as a tee, coin, or other object made to be a ball-marker, or another small piece of equipment.    During my observation of the match the other players tee was on numerous occasions in general line when the other players would be chipping or putting.   Even if he was asked to move it would still would be bothersome.   On one occasion after the player chipped marked his ball with the tee another player didn’t hit a very good chip the ball stopped directly beside the tee,   The kid was asked to move his “tee” which he did and then stood directly behind the kid putting so to get the line of the putt.   On the last hole my buddies grandson hit a drive about 30 yards behind the same kid who used a tee to mark his ball.   The kid who used a tee stood in the middle of the fairway with his range finder as my buddies grandson who was ready to hit waited patiently since the kid was directly in front of him.   He waited for about a minute or so as the kid stood there.  Finally my friends grandson yelled up to him and after the kid turned around and saw him he shot the pin again and made him wait.  
I’ve never seen worse etiquette during a match in my life.  It took everting I had to not say anything to the kids coach.
It still annoys me.   Am I wrong?  I appreciate all opinions.      

I couldn’t agree more.   I think he didn’t care and was being a jacka** on purpose.

I couldn’t agree more.   I think he didn’t care and was being a jacka** on purpose.

In my opinion, the kid marking his ball with a tee will have tough life lessons ahead of him. He knew what he was doing.

This kid was a senior and you could tell he’s been playing for a while.  But I agree with you on etiquette needs to be taught.   I kinda felt it wasn’t my place to say something since I just was visiting but kinda regret not.   Appreciate the input.

I couldn’t agree more.   I think he didn’t care and was being a jacka** on purpose.

Been away doing a little travel and not much golf recently but as part of my travels stopped in to see some golf trip buddies in Knoxville, TN for a few days and went with one of my buddies to see his grandson’s high school golf match.   His grandson is a freshman and is playing as number 2 on his team.  During the match one of the opposing players would mark his ball with a tee.   I’m aware a tee can be used and the USGA definition of a ball-marker is “an artificial object such as a tee, coin, or other object made to be a ball-marker, or another small piece of equipment.    During my observation of the match the other players tee was on numerous occasions in general line when the other players would be chipping or putting.   Even if he was asked to move it would still would be bothersome.   On one occasion after the player chipped marked his ball with the tee another player didn’t hit a very good chip the ball stopped directly beside the tee,   The kid was asked to move his “tee” which he did and then stood directly behind the kid putting so to get the line of the putt.   On the last hole my buddies grandson hit a drive about 30 yards behind the same kid who used a tee to mark his ball.   The kid who used a tee stood in the middle of the fairway with his range finder as my buddies grandson who was ready to hit waited patiently since the kid was directly in front of him.   He waited for about a minute or so as the kid stood there.  Finally my friends grandson yelled up to him and after the kid turned around and saw him he shot the pin again and made him wait.  
I’ve never seen worse etiquette during a match in my life.  It took everting I had to not say anything to the kids coach.
It still annoys me.   Am I wrong?  I appreciate all opinions.      

Maybe , maybe not. I probably would have let him take a few steps to the side and then hit. He would have gotten the point.

Really? In real life, presented with this situation, you would have knowingly done something that could have seriously injured someone? 

The kid obviously knew what he was doing. As a player , after he shot the pin for a second time, I would have hit the ball over his head and see if he "understood". 

Been away doing a little travel and not much golf recently but as part of my travels stopped in to see some golf trip buddies in Knoxville, TN for a few days and went with one of my buddies to see his grandson’s high school golf match.   His grandson is a freshman and is playing as number 2 on his team.  During the match one of the opposing players would mark his ball with a tee.   I’m aware a tee can be used and the USGA definition of a ball-marker is “an artificial object such as a tee, coin, or other object made to be a ball-marker, or another small piece of equipment.    During my observation of the match the other players tee was on numerous occasions in general line when the other players would be chipping or putting.   Even if he was asked to move it would still would be bothersome.   On one occasion after the player chipped marked his ball with the tee another player didn’t hit a very good chip the ball stopped directly beside the tee,   The kid was asked to move his “tee” which he did and then stood directly behind the kid putting so to get the line of the putt.   On the last hole my buddies grandson hit a drive about 30 yards behind the same kid who used a tee to mark his ball.   The kid who used a tee stood in the middle of the fairway with his range finder as my buddies grandson who was ready to hit waited patiently since the kid was directly in front of him.   He waited for about a minute or so as the kid stood there.  Finally my friends grandson yelled up to him and after the kid turned around and saw him he shot the pin again and made him wait.  
I’ve never seen worse etiquette during a match in my life.  It took everting I had to not say anything to the kids coach.
It still annoys me.   Am I wrong?  I appreciate all opinions.      

Not only kids. I play with a group of retired guys, and a few of them are totally oblivious and unaware of anyone. I played with a guy last week that gave detailed explanations of every bad shot he hit. Not really sure how many shots I had to step away from during his play by play.

The OP was talking about a single player who seemed to be only concerned about himself. While his actions are uncalled for @russtopherb makes a great point about being able to teach a younger person proper etiquette and that starts with his coach and parents. 

Wow!!  "Benefit of doubt" does work. The "Coach" own's it. 
 

In all seriousness - this whole "young people are ruining the game" thing needs to die a painful death. Every serious breach of etiquette I've ever witnessed has come from an AARP card carrying member. I'd much rather golf with someone with their shirt untucked and hat on backwards than some of the misogynistic, homophobic racists I've had the "joy" of being paired with.
I'd rather run into someone young who can be taught etiquette and how to respect the course, because they simply may not know, vs run into an older person who knows better but thinks they're special and can  say & do whatever they want regardless of how it impacts others. 

fwiw, most polos these days are designed not to be tucked in and, unless it's a regional thing, backwards hats haven't been "in" for almost 20 years at this point.  Regardless, are fashion choices really an etiquette problem?  Guys don't golf in wool suits anymore.  Was it an etiquette problem when golfers switched to polos or shorts?
The other stuff, I suspect, is a matter of letting the outliers shape your opinion of the whole group.  Rude golfers aren't new.  If they're more prevalent, I'd argue it's a function of golf's popularity rebounding/growing.  To say nobody is teaching kids golf etiquette is to say that parents who learned proper golf etiquette just decided not to bother passing it down.  I'm not buying that, wholesale.
Do we want to shun new, young golfers for the sake of etiquette or do we want our local courses to stay open?

What you experienced seems to be the trend among young people.   Hats on backwards, shirts not tucked in...  standing on another person's line of play,  yelling while other are trying to hit a shot.   playing music loud enough to be heard a few holes away.  Watching PGA, etc. on TV and listening to the verbal comments, yelling, etc. and it's somewhat promoted by the PGA...  tells you what's to come for the future of golf.    TOP GOLF is educating the next wave of golfers that we will be dealing with on the course.  No one is trying to educate the up coming youngsters to the etiquette of the game we all have grown to love..   unfortunate.  

The kid was being a punk but there have always been kids acting like punks, probably for thousands of years.  This isn’t indicative of a noteworthy trend, imo.
Not every high school golfer in 1970 was being ethical and chill.

I've played with people that have used a tee to mark their ball.  This is just me, but I would ask them to keep moving it until it was not bothersome... even if had to be moved multiple times... AND I would make sure to note where the ball should be returned to just in case.  Maybe then they can find a coin or a less obtrusive marker.
I would also require the kid to move out of my backline of sight because it bothers me.

I have disassembled the stroke lab shaft.  As expected,  there was a 30g counterweight epoxied into the butt end of the club.  The grip weighed in at a hefty 76g.  This means that the stroke lab shaft is 79 grams which includes a steel tip section.   In my opinion seeing these numbers it is clear that the shaft isn't designed for super stability but for weight dispersion (which is what they state it is for).    
Next steps are to experiment with grip and weight.  Going to try using the grip that came with the club.  Yes I cut it off,  but I can experiment 🙂   Just swinging the club,  I like how it feels so keeping it light will be interesting.  Overall weight is now 510g.