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The number of pros who work the ball both ways is around 5(not the number that can, but the number who do). No need to work the ball both ways

Good place to start. Other than testing for yourself this tool is going to be as good as a guess as anyone here can provide

Most people won’t know the numbers, the fitter when appropriate during the fitting would explain what he/she is seeing in swing, ball flight and numbers and shown the golfer the difference so the golfer could make a decision based on data and what they felt and/or saw. Sounds like the fitter did that. i agree that you will have to or should trust what you went with. Lots of people have gone to a fitting and come out with some head, loft, shaft or a combo of them they didn’t expect. Usually based on old, outdated and incorrect “conventional wisdom” that has been debunked with data and technology.

The marketing information from companies is marketing but just a general guideline. We can use the low launch and low spin label if shafts. Unless someone has a late release they aren’t going to be seeing that lower launch or spin. Same for the fast aggressive swinger it’s about a feel one the shaft and how it works with one’s swing. I am over 100mph and have an agressive transition, the original hzrdus black would be a better fit on paper than the original hzrdus yellow. Yet in my fittings the hzrdus yellow was a better fit along with other shafts that have a higher balance point. When it comes to indoor fittings you have to have a baseline with your current setup, compare the numbers with the options being used on the fitting and see if there are improvements not just with total distance or carry distance but the numbers that lead to them. Ball speed, launch, spin, peak height and descent angle along with dynamic loft since you can’t see the actual ball flight. And also how each setup feels. Where did you get fit at?

Post a swing from down the line and face on and let’s see what’s going on and what bigger issues need to be addressed first. remeber when taking videos that for down the line the camera should be at hand height and down the hand line not the target line or at that body. This way we don’t get weird angles that could skew what we see. For face on samething with camera at hand height and this time at the center of the body. Camera doesn’t need to be too far away but far enough to see the whole swing

Swing speed is far down the list for choosing a shaft. Forgot what thread it was posted in but there was a social melds post of a long drive hitter talking about using a shaft labeled as ladies and many of the guys on long drive tour using a “ladies” flex shaft. Feel and balance of the shaft with head combo, the weignt and how all those work with one’s swing is what determines whether a shaft works. If the weight and feel which is also going to come from the shafts stiffness profile are a match for the golfer then the results will show up in the performance

Looks like feel play a big part in what we do. Learned that several years back during a titleist fitting. The fitter wanted to do some testing and experimenting with some things after my fitting since I as his last appointment and we both and traffic to fight I told him I had no problem staying and hitting more balls. he changed the hosel settings on the driver but didn’t tell me what. My first swing the bal didn’t do what I expected it to do based on the fitting. Took another swing and same result. He goes you changed your swing to try and achieve your normal ball flight based on what you saw at address. Club was more closed than I was used to and I think he messed with lie angle too.

More than likely caused by how the club moves in the takeaway and/or how your lower body is moving

If you are topping the ball then you have some issues to address in the backswing that are causing you to stand up in the swing and also lifting your arms. Heres the thing about the golf swing. Yes there are some unique individual things people do in their swing and/or setup. But there are things that over 99% of good to great golfers do. It makes sense to do those things and not what the outliers do. So what is it that the good to great players do. They have a grip that matches up with their bodies and their swings. There are some fundamentals to the grip such as keeping it on the fingers. Your hands are the club face and for some instructors they will say the trail hand and the club face should match. what else do pros do? They shift pressures how much varies by individual and when. But they all do it and it’s completely done no later than lead arm parallel, recenter pressure between lead arm parallel and get 70% of pressure to the lead side before they start the transition. They get their lead wrist adding flexion in transition and unfolding of the trail arm early in the transition and downswing. They are using the ground to help their rotation. Do what the best do and not what the one or two outliers do.

I’ve always gone flatter in wedges by 1-2° of their standard loft i stand the club up and keep the heel off the ground for chips and even some pitches.

Weight is weight. 55g is 55g no matter what the stiffness is. What you are feeling is the stiffness profile of the shaft or what is referred to as the EI profile. Not the flex or the weight. which is what I mentioned earlier in the thread about dfindong the right stiffness profile for one’s swing after finding the right weight.

Sure getting others experience is great for general conversation. Or to show how two people who claim to have similar swing characteristics like a smooth swing or that state their swing speed or handicap get different results. But how shafts compare between each other is only relevant to the user

The conventional wisdom is old and outdated and swing speed, age, handicap have very little to do with shaft selection and there’s no standard for flex in the industry so the stiff label is only relevant for the shaft line and weight class of the shaft. Stiffness isn’t the same even from the same manufacturer in different lines. So take the conventional wisdom and toss it out the window. the shaft is a timing device. Getting the weight correct then the shaft profile which gets to where the stiffness is and how much in each section is more important. These develop a feel and the better the feel the better chance we have of not manipulating our swing. based on the shaft you were fit for you are a fit for the blue profile shafts. These are typically labeled as mid launch mid spin. based on what you saw your issue is probably due to adding loft at impact and and open face. These are swing issues that unless you found a shaft that significantly changes your swing the shaft isn’t the issue. the smoke black is a completely different design and profile from the kali blue. Its typically a shaft for high swing speed golfer with an aggressive transition. how that will translate for your swing none of us can say or say what to expect because we all swing different. And typically it’s those who have a late release that see the difference in launch and spin from a design change. The smoke black could be better, could be worse or no different at all. The only way to tell is to test it and see what happens

There is no ideal setup for golf it’s all dependent on the golfer and their build and body shape. the keys to golf are proper pressure shift to trail side by shaft parallel, pressure moving towards the center around lead arm parallel and then to lead side at the top of the swing. proper wrist set early on the swing and to move them properly on the transition. If choosing the YouTube route then focus on one instructor and follow their steps for setup, grip, takeaway backswing and downswing. my recommendations are Porzak golf. Search his takeaway, backswing and wall drillls. Chris Ryan. Has a series for beginners on each aspect of the swing. The reality is that series is good for most amateurs because it addresses many of the issues in the swings of even some low handicap golfers. Also search his how to grip, perfect takeaway, perfect backswing me his downswing videos Athletic motion golf has great videos on grip, shifting, turning, takewaw and backswing. They have a membership site and the free version has a great layout for learning the swing. lastly rebelliongolf.com from Monte Scheinblum. He has a free video for grip and setup. For the cost of a couple Starbucks runs buy the effecient swing and work on that. Spend weeks working on one drill til you get it. You can play golf during that time but each practice session spend time on the drill. Do 3-5 drill swings then 10 full swings with the feeling of the drill.

Haven’t played cb wedges in awhile but I use them the same as any wedge I play and gap them the same.

How they compare for anyone is irrelevant to how they will perform for you or how they will compare for you. Posting this myth below. The designs are very different and the hzrdus line is a stiffer design than the rogue. The black is beefier in the middle. Your statement about just try them is really the only answer and way for you to figure out how they compare Myth #5 – How a shaft plays and performs for one golfer or group of golfers is important for other golfers to know to be able to make a proper shaft selection Only if the golfers involved all happen to have EXACTLY, and I mean exactly, the same swing characteristics is someone else’s experience with a particular shaft of any importance. And how often do two or more golfers swing exactly the same way? I can’t tell you how many times I have scanned posts on golf equipment internet forums from golfers who ask a question such as, “has anyone tried the XYZ shaft and what do you think of it?” Invariably, almost every golfer’s response comes back citing this or that personal opinion or playing result without ever saying one thing about any of their specific swing characteristics. In addition, numerous times I have heard a golfer comment about a shaft to say something like, “that XYZ shaft is really a bad shaft. If golfers knew that shaft performance is so tied to specific golf swing characteristics they would say instead, “that shaft is probably a good shaft for some other golfer, but it is a bad shaft FOR ME AND MY SPECIFIC SWING CHARACTERISTICS.” There is no such thing as a good shaft or a bad shaft in this game. There are only shafts that fit their owners and shafts that do not fit their owners. More than any other component, the performance of the shaft is completely related to a series of finite, specific swing and playing characteristics – your clubhead speed, your transition move to start the downswing, your downswing aggressiveness/tempo, the point during the downswing when you unhinge your wrist-**** angle to release the club to impact and whether you as a golfer do or do not have a specific, preferred sense for the bending feel of the shaft during the swing.

The last two posters have it right.

Tv contracts and the advertising costs plus those willing to pay it disagree. If there wasn’t a return on the investment for paying those fees the broadcast channels wouldn’t be paying the money and the advertisers wouldn’t pay the prices for their commercials. Too many focus on the tv viewership number with is a misleading and inaccurate stat.

Shafts are a timing device. Too many thing that they need a lighter shaft as they get older or they need to change flex. The problem with flex is there is no industry standard so going to a softer flex unless staying in the same shaft lineup and weight class is irrelevant. Too many golf myths out there and people don’t learn or care to learn and just go by these myths. Find a weight that feels right and then a stiffness profile that fits the swing. This is the design of the shaft in regards to where stiffness is in the shaft and how stiff each section of the shaft is. Ignore the flex label on the shaft

A top level instructor disagrees with you and a draw and fade both can be hit with ascending aka positive aoa with driver. https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1425496-is-a-15-°-out-to-in-swing-path-acceptable/?do=findComment&comment=18960124

Step drills, the rope drill mentioned, lessons to improve sequence of the swing

You do know it was vertigo that derailed Duval and not him checking out. Also didn’t help that he started chasing distance because of a tiger.

Yep. Its why when people post and show their club soled flat or post talking about they don’t like seeing the toe in the air at address I already know they hate going to have issues with contact

No I’m talking about shaft droop. It’s the bending of the shaft near impact. It’s a reason why determining lie angle is done dynamically and not just based of wrist to floor. Each shaft bends differently

You can’t return it because of droop. as you mention the pros return the handle higehr than address so why would anyone try to return the shaft at the same angle if the best in the world aren’t. The golfer isn’t in the same position at impact that they were at address. They are further into their lead side and the lead side is raising thru impact. Handle goes up and club face goes down.