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36 minutes ago, GolferXY said:
I've seen several on YouTube, but I've found that the only way to see if it works for me is to hit the various grinds. As I live in the Seattle area too, I know that it's nearly impossible to find a place where you can get fit for wedges outside on grass where it matters. The Home Course offers this I think. Otherwise, it is private clubs or guess.
This is the one downside of fittings. It’s hard to find a good wedge fitting because you really need a grass area and a bunker to test out of. Demo days at courses with grass ranges and a practice bunker are really the one way.
I haven’t had any issues with the recommendations from vokey fitting tool.
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2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
You are the very first time I have seen or heard "relief from contact with the ground". I don't think that phrase is even on Vokey site.
Wouldn't it be neat tho if there was some . . . ah, ain't gonna happen.
The phrase doesn’t need to be on the website. The relief is the to make certain shots easier or to help in forgiveness or to allow then club to get thru the ball better.
Plenty of resources to learnt about what heel and toe relief do rather than a scoffing at it for lack of understanding and its benefit.
And vokey does use the word relief on the website.
WEDGEWORKS L GRIND
The L Grind is a popular choice with players who seek a low bounce option with heel, toe, and trailing edge relief.
Also uses it for the T Grind
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56 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
The word relief. What? Relief from what? Relief actually means that the sole has been grinded down, but the word doesn't mean that in the real world. Because relief means sharper difference between a uniform sole and one that has been shaped, and a change in the degree of bounce at different parts of the sole. Let's replace the word Relief with the word Shape. Thus speaketh Donn.
Relief has numerous meanings, picking one of them to make some kind of point maybe to mask confusion of grinds is disingenuous.
A relief pitcher in baseball bas nothing to do with what you claim the meaning is, as an example.The relief is from contact with the ground. Theres heel relief and toe relief.
56 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:Different letters that don't mean anything. And of course, no two wedge makers want to use the same letter designation, do they?
They signify whatever the manufacturer decides them to be to distinguish one from another. Theres no standard for anything in golf, so no big surprise companies that use letters don’t have a standard. Not to mention most have nowhere near the amount of grind options as vokey.
Cleveland used to do a dot system for low mid and high bounce.
the best thing about todays world is all the information one needs is right at their fingertips. Anyone can go on a manufacturers website and learn about their grind options and what they do
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1 hour ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
Hi RickBob, well, I know there are very good golfers here. But I have SOME faith in the guys who teach for a living in person. The fitter/teacher gotta see the body, the face, the person, the swings, in person , if it's my money. I would rather waste money on one fitting that didn't work for me, compared to buying a set of clubs. I never went back for a 2nd lesson 3 times before I had a lesson that I signed on for the series.
Actually the good instructors can do it with just video and feedback given to the student. There are plenty of examples around the internet of students making progress and significantly dropping their handicap with just submitting videos to their instructor then get feedback 24-48 hours, rinse and repeat over time.
obviously for a fitter in person is needed but there are fitters who could do a virtual fitting using a system like zoom and knowing want shafts and clubs the golfer has at their disposal.
Now some people need to be in person to learn but to say that is necessary just isn’t accuracy and is very short sighted.
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33 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:
great post, my takeaway is "swing your swing" the reason I say that is we have a senior player at our club that takes every shot really inside on the takeaway. 2 years ago he shot 72-72 in our club championship and I made the mistake of not taking him seriously due to his odd swing. Well, as I have gotten to play with him more he does not miss the centre of the club face and fires right at the pins... I learned an important lesson, "don't judge a book by it's cover".
How many hours as he spent honing in that swing? Is he shallowing it properly and shifting pressure properly? He might be but he might not be but again he’s more than likely spent a lot of time getting the necessary compensations down. Kim furyk takes it pretty far inside too, but it’s not a swing any instructor would teach or recommend copying.
the swing my swing leaves out that there are basics of the swing that still need to happen. Palmer swung his swing but he also did all the basics correct with grip, sequencing and pressure shifts.
the comment of swing your swing like the hold the grip like holding a bird keeps amateurs from improving. The part of the hold the club like holding a bird leaves out the second part of “like it’s an eagle trying to get away”
Theres an easy way to swing the gold club and then there are numerous hard ways. We have actual measured data that shows what the very best do. Doing those same things as amateurs will make the swing better and easier. It doesn’t mean an amateur will swing like a pro, but they will swing better.
Inside takeaway comes from improper wrist set and pressure shifts.
There are many instructors that have shown this success with students by getting them to get pressure to lead side earlier and better swings when the wrist sets properly and early
- cksurfdude, Jim Shaw and BobBC78
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3 minutes ago, BobBC78 said:
@RickyBobby_PR Thanks for your input. I suspect that your comment about fixing the takeaway is very much "on point" and I'll be working on takeaway first.
You’re welcome. Here to help whenever possible. Always feel free to post a video for review or if you want a good video to drill an aspect of the swing.
Once the club is at p2 aka parallel to the ground the rest of the swing is just turning
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39 minutes ago, steve2526 said:
I was actually curious about which grind the community thinks would be best for the bump and run with a 54* and consulted my fitter. His opinion was that the 54* in the F grind would be best for this shot. Curious what others think... Supposedly and visually, the F grind has more lead edge relief for ease of getting through grass on those square faced chips.
Usually use 58* for partial shot, open face shots, bunker and anything else inside 100 yds. I seem to limit 54* to full shots and bump and run around the greens.
The F grind is very popular and is versatile. S as well. I have played both in most my wedges and have been experimenting with the M and D grinds the last couple releases to see how they perform.
Both F and S are popular on tour in the “sw” range of lofts
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1 hour ago, bigperm said:
Ok now this makes sense.... I guess I will see what changing alignment does. I won't mess with anything too much because I feel like I'm a decent iron striker, if it's not alignment then on to a different club.
Before moving onto a different club there are things that can be done.
Alignment, grip, setup. Check all the basic stuff.
Then for a very cheap price get a dry erase or sharpie marker and draw a line on 3-4 balls. Make sure the clubface will hit the line. Use this to check to ensure you have the proper lie angle.
If going the different club route I would suggest getting fit so that you save time and money by not having to tinker and get used to the club or constantly having to make the swing work
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1 hour ago, BobBC78 said:
Yesterday I did a medium bucket (about 70 balls) at the NKGC range, mostly working on full swing. I got there around 9:00 am, so it was not too crowded and I was able to video swings with several different clubs, both 9 to 3 and full. From reviewing the videos (some of which I will send to Kirk) I was able to notice several things:
- I still tend to take the club too inside on the back swing. This happens whether regardless of whether I'm hitting a full or partial shot.
- I am releasing the club too early in the downswing, basically just before impact, instead of after. As a side note, on chips, pitches and very short full swing motion shots, I hold off release until after impact.
- On full shots, I do not start the downswing with my lower body as well as I'm able to do on short swings.
Editorial comment: The above is exactly why video is such an important tool, feel does not give me this feedback.
Finished the session at the practice green, chipping from various lies and green reading.
You more than likely have no choice but to release the angles early in order to hit the ball because the club is out of position in transition and downswing due to the inside takeaway. The early release isn’t a fault it’s a compensation.
Also as an fyi in a good swing the release of the club is happening before impact as the lead wrist should be moving from flexion to extension. What most amateurs do what many call a flip, if they didn’t they would hit the ball much worse.
Fox the takeaway and possibly the backswing and it should help give a better transition and more of a proper release pattern
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1 hour ago, ryan.mzzz said:
my opinion, unplayable due to the glare on top. so, uggo to the max.
Of course, my reaction to titleist drivers probably has something to do with the fact that I lost approximately 100,000 balls in the woods of west virginia with my trusty 915 driver and I thought all that spinning was my fault. then I got a ping g400 and stopped losing balls. so, i doubt i’ll ever get over that impression and use a titleist driver again.
at the same time, i’m dreading the day the powers that be in the golf world get between me and my yellow v1x’s. i may have to build up a prepper style years long supply right before that happens.
So a bad fit and it’s the club/manufacturers fault.
fyi Ping because of their head designs and moi are some of the highest spinning heads on the market, even their lst model spins higher than other lst models
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5 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:
Spend a few minutes and dollars with a pro. If you got this far, you say you are a 12, without a teacher, then that's great. I don't want to criticize, especially as I see you just joined Spy. But I am amazed at times that golfers with good scores ask people they have never met for swing advice.
Well going to an instructor you never met is the samething.
Depsite your disbelief there are people on forums who are either teachers, working in becoming a teacher, and some who understand the the swing and want to help people get better.
All are usually better options than the ones who try to go it alone with little to no understanding of the swing and end up creating different bad habits and prolonging th journey to getting better
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Without seeing a swing there’s no way to say what to improve on or fix. The numbers say you at TT generating enough spin even if we assumed this was indoors on mats.
The smash factor tells us your swing isn’t efficient.
If you want to improve find a good instructor locally or virtually and work with them
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39 minutes ago, bigperm said:
Seems like I am just off line, most times a little more left than normal.
So just don't learn??
Offline could be alignment and not the club or it could be the swing and not the club.
or it could be the club doesn’t fit your swing and is causing and issue with your delivery.
Learn what?
If it’s learn to make the clubs work for me then no. The clubs should be working with me, not me learning something to make them work.
Im also not learning what they do. I learned that in my fitting whether I self fit or had a fitter do it.
If learning means to get better at golf then I am learning but I’m doing it with clubs that again work with me not me working to make them work
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It looks like a titleist driver. I don’t think it looks that bad and I typically don’t care what the sole of the driver looks like unless it some of the weird stuff Wilson put out.
I almost put a j815 driver in the bag and wasn’t a fan of the look.
I pay more attention to the look of irons than I do drivers
- William P, Josh Parker, tigerpill and 4 others
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51 minutes ago, KINGWinston said:
What stroke gained stats exactly? For what handicap player? While I don't completely disagree (I'll take 40+ yards all day) but the yardage difference isn't generally that drastic so let's assume a 20-25 yard difference. There are more variables from playing out of the rough, starting with the rough itself. Those stats, just like any other sport I've played, only tell one side of the story. An extra 25 yards is amazing but does it help when you're right behind a tree and have to chip out or forced to lay up? If we're talking pro's than absolutely being a little off line in the rough isn't a problem but i was say the shot dispersion on this thread is a tad bit different that tour pros. Data helps but I've never been driven by data in any sport i played, if you are it can become a fault. Sometimes you have to go with feel/flow of the game.
Nothing helps behind a tree regardless of where you’re at or if you are in the woods.
But all strokes gained stats show it’s better to be closer to the hole than further away regardless of handicap. Course management strategies incorporate strokes gained into picking targets and distance. The closer one is the better their proximity to the hole is. The closer you are in proximity the better the make perecdntage goes.
Feel free to go read broadies work and see for yourself or not and stay stuck in methods that data doesn’t support.
some data for you
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Why do you need to adjust anything?
Are you having some issue on the course?
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That’s the best part of life. If you don’t like something you don’t have to participate in it. Theres always streaming services to use to watch coverage. Muting the tv so you don’t have to hear the commentators or treat them as white noise.
I don’t watch the nba anymore because I don’t like the current game and the rule changes. I don’t watch much mlb anymore for similar reasons. Haven’t watched a football game outside of the Super Bowl in 4 years.
For golf I tend to have other things going on during the weekend so I only catch a few holes here and there or just don’t watch. Sports on tv arent that important for me to sit in front of the tv for hours to watch. Would rather do productive things that improve other people’s lives or mine
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19 minutes ago, jolter1 said:
I am hoping this is not the trend for the future where these young pro athletes want to get out of their sport before they hit 30. As to Lexi, this doesn't really surprise me as to the way she has been playing and her body language the past couple years which have been challenging for her. Perhaps playing a limited schedule, at her age, will rekindle the passion and drive to return full time.
It’s not that uncommon in female sports especially those who started as young as she did. Lorena Ochoa is a good example. Unlike Lexi she was at the top when she left.
There’s others that have left at a young age
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22 minutes ago, Preeway said:
I guarantee the same thing will happen of you made the top 25 PGA guys try to qualify as well. Can’t always have your best stuff every week.
the top 25 on the pga tour have to play against the top golfers every time they step on the course. Most of the guys on LIV haven’t seen top 25 on the pga tour when they were playin there.
US open qualifying yesterday’s was 36 holes. You don’t have to worry about a whole week.
The hottest player on LIV only had one year inside the top 25 while on tour. Hes good but far from one of the best
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For supposedly being some of the best golfers in the world 17 LIV members failed to qualify for the U.S. Open. Guess they aren’t some of the best
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2 hours ago, matt_puttercup said:
I did do the wedge fitting, twice, and each time I got different recommendations. I'm curious how much of a difference the grinds actually make, or if 90% of the forgiveness / performance off different lies & conditions is really just the bounce.
17 minutes ago, matt_puttercup said:I sort of breezed through the recommender questions the first time and took my time the second time, which resulted in both the 56* and 60* recommendations being the D-grind. And I love your recommendation about a fitting day, because that will be way more useful than anything else! Where I'm at the sand tends to be wet / firm, so I'm already of a mind that I have no business with 14* with either of my higher lofted wedges.
Curious--why did you opt for more bounce with SW and less with LW? I ask because I was thinking about going with the opposite -- i.e. LW is for fewer "emergency" situations like a flop, SW is for a broader variety of situations where more bounce might not be helpful.
Well this explains the reason for different output.
For some the grind and bounce difference will make a huge difference with one being worse than the other.
If you were honest in your replies to the questions then the recommendations are usually pretty accurate. Will a 14° be bad for wet/firm sand? Maybe but maybe not. Some of it will depend on your technique and how you setup the club in that situation. Playing the club more square it might not be a problem.
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2 hours ago, KINGWinston said:
I seen an earlier comment about rather being 20-40 yards further in the rough than back and in the fairway... while that may work for a hole or two, long term, you need to be in the short stuff to score. you sacrifice accuracy out of the rough before you even hit your shot. I've got a buddy who will bomb the ball all over the place and when he connects on a good one it looks awesome but I always hit him with the "I'll see ya whenever you get up there"
Accuracy is king
Strokes gain says the exact opposite. Being closer to the hole even in the rough than further back in the fairway. Proximity to the hole goes up, green hit goes up, putting stats improve.
if one can get out of normal rough with a wedge hitting from the fairway with a 7i isn’t going to make them score better.
Then when you combine strokes gained with course management you get systems like decade which accounts for when there maybe trouble or not enough room for ones dispersion pattern, then you make a smarter choice but you don’t go going up 20+ yards just to score better.
The difference in fairways between handicaps isn’t that large so more fairway hits don’t lead to a better score or strokes gained .that data is posted in this thread if you care to read it.
Data>feelings
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6 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:
interesting, so mid to high handicaps struggle with getting the sole completely on the ground, I did not know that. will have to watch a few guys on the range.
No mid big caps sole the club and in many cases as we see with people here trying to get the toe to sit on the ground. This makes it harder to get the club moving and leads to an inside takeaway and usually causes a steeper backswing that’s needs. Plus it creates bad tension.
if these golfers hovered the club and had the toe up 1-2mm they would have less tension and a better and smoother takeaway
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Not what I have read in this thread