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16 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
No fitting is going to guarantee that a fit golf club is going to make one’s scores drop. The golfer still has to execute each shot from tee to green. The fitted club give the golfer the chance to make a good swing and helps reduce the penalty of a mishit on their bad swing. But just like we see week in and week out on the pga tour where the ball goes way right or way left that no club is going to prevent from happening.
A high handicap could break 90 just by improving pitching, chipping and putting. I play with several guys who shoot mid 80s to upper 70s because they have good short game, so again wait til you break 90 isn’t great advice either
yea, i hear ya. people do what works for them and i guess that approach works for him and his clients.
A guy shooting 95 may get to 89 that way but 120 scores....no way.....lesson lessons lessons...both on and off the course
good points all around tho. Thanks
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22 minutes ago, cnosil said:
I believe there are multiple types of fittings. When people say fitting, they jump to the True Spec/CC type fitting and exotic shafts. I don’t believe a beginner or casual golfer will benefit much. Then there is the basic I store fitting that helps a player find clubs that they are able to hit somewhat effectively.
when you say don’t get fit, you feel that a player is fine to walk in a store, grab a set of clubs and walk out? No consideration for type of club, shaft, weight, lie angle….the basics. I’ll reference you question on picking a shaft for a new hybrid thread….just pick one, they are all fine.
I think if you missed the last sentence.
I would never tell another golfer NOT to get fit.
Ive bought sets of clubs off the shelf many times and ive also been fit by a pro
I was fit for my current T100-S irons and purchased my previous set of 712 CB's off the shelf......i shoot mid 70's with both....so.....not sure what the point is... i have been stuck in the mid 70's for the last 5 years....ive peaked.....fitting or not, im most likely not improving any longer....
tell me how fitting relates to scoring.....im really interested it that.....i have no idea about this direct correlation or how this can be quantified......
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On 5/3/2023 at 12:04 PM, thechrisgibbs said:
I'm really interested to understand how the Maxfli Tour S compares to the AVX which is my current gamer. I don't anticipate being selected for the ball test we're doing on the forum, but we all talk about low-spin options being better for MOST players. The ProV1 Left Dash is used by most of the MGS Staff for that reason.
I think this year I'd like to personally test the Titleist AVX and Left Dash, Maxfli Tour S, Callaway Chrome Soft X LS, and Taylormade Tour Response. Am I missing any balls? I could do the direct-to-consumer brands like Vice, Snell, etc., but I think I'd like to narrow the scope to the balls you can buy at a pro shop when you roll up 10 min before your round like most of us do!
My parameters:
- I have a GC3 and indoor sim here at home. I want to test it in true fitting fashion with Driver, 7 Iron, and a Wedge (I like Gap Wedge as I use a 3/4 swing for my 100-yard shot).
- I can get back spin/side spin, launch angle, and carry distances for the comparison.
- Lastly, I want to game these balls for at least 36 holes each. I have a golf trip coming up in Park City, UT where we are playing 36 holes a day for 4 days. I'll swap balls every 18 holes and use Arccos to track some of the important metrics like fairways hit, greens in regulation, and distances.
Let me know if you think I'm missing anything here. I'll start a testing thread in a few weeks after the Utah Amateur Open qualifier. I don't want to swap balls before that comp.
do your testing outdoors on grass. The numbers will be totally different
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6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
That’s not even close to the truth. There have been several surveys/studies done that indicate higher handicaps benefit more from fittings. People have a notion that these golfers don’t drive the club consistently but they actually do from a general delivery standpoint and what tends to vary is the face angle.
so every golfer can benefit. And with lower handicaps they tend to be able to find away to make a bad fitting club work for them more than a high handicap
Like I said, its not a popular opinion but i know many people with 25 indexes who went for fittings and end up pissed because it didnt help. Our local club pro is one who tells his own clients to wait for a fitting until you can break 90. His philosophy is, as you improve your mechanics change and the fitting you just had is rendered useless for the most part. Once you get to a certain level, the change in mechanics are minimal and fittings are more effective. I agree with his philosophy....and like i said i know the majority of the amateurs out there buy into all the repetitive rhetoric and thats fine as well. if you get fit and shoot 120 but feel you are playing better, then great! I would never tell another golfer NOT to get fit....but for me, i fall on the other side of this fence. I totally see your point though.
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Just curious if there is a shaft in the TSR3 lineup that can be considered "good for most amateurs"
Its time for me to upgrade my 910H but I do not want to spend a mint on a shaft that costs an extra $150.
Ill go with a standard offering. I havent bought a hybrid in years, so im not sure how the stock shaft offerings perform
any help would be appreciated
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This is why i say "fitting" is pretty much ineffective for anyone +10 or higher......in the end the pro says "just go with what's more comfortable".....ok thanks....
but he is right...if you are comfortable, you will play better.....
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my personal answer is NO...
I have an old school putter with a wooden shaft and I putt just as well with that as I do a modern shaft in a fully custom putter.......its all mindset and putter skill.....
last season we played in a charity outing and my scramble partner carved a putter from a tree branch....no exaggeration.....we didnt three putt one green.
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19 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
Why do you think they need to get away from that? You can’t tell what the ball is going to do on the other end without know what it’s doing at the start and at it apex
pros look for the ball to be in a certain window when it leaves the club. Only way to acheive that is knowing the launch and spin of the ball when it leaves the club.
Fittings are good for anyone regardless of hitting it straight or not. They length and loft, weight, head design the fitter can influence where the face contact happens and offset the how the face to path is affecting the ball, also changing the ball to one that helps control the spin whether too much or to little also benefits the not so straight swinger.
Maybe not get fully away from that, but maybe shift emphasis. Maybe I was to harsh with that statement.
pros look for the ball to be in a certain window when it leaves the club. Only way to acheive that is knowing the launch and spin of the ball when it leaves the club.
This is trajectory. The window they want to hit is really the most important part of their shot. If they are hitting the proper trajectory, they already know the spin # for the most part.
I disagree fittings are good for everyone. I know the industry basically has brainwashed everyone into thinking that way, but IMO, if you cannot hit a straight shot, and are duck hooking balls or banana slicing balls, a fitting means nothing. LESSONS mean everything. Once you are able to find a fairway and get the ball up in the air and hit it somewhat straight, a fitting can help for sure, but for me.....i believe fittings are NOT the answer for anyone over a 15 HDCP. You get down into the 10 and lower area, fittings become much more effective. I know im alone in that thinking and its fine. I just disagree with the whole fitting culture for all golfers....especially by a high school kid at a PGA superstore
And i know ill catch heck for this opinion, but its ok.
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20 hours ago, OdinSnipes414 said:
Not getting into a price battle 55 ain’t bad I’ll stick with 35!
a $35 ball that works for you is the way to go. Wish i could find a cheaper ball that I love. I did hear Titleist is going to soften the cover on the left dash for its next release, so that is a good thing.
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3 minutes ago, OdinSnipes414 said:
Nice thank you for the advice! I’ll look into them if I get the chance but for me the PERFORMANCE of the odin X and X1 give me all the distance I can ask for and the workability I need for my mid to long irons!
thats great. keep playin em if you are happy! took me a long time to find the best ball for me and with the quality Titleist puts out, i can feel good about a $55 ball purchase
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11 minutes ago, OdinSnipes414 said:
I’m not actually a 20 HDCP I don’t actually have one! I’ll update once o get one though! I have a bucket of prov1s just not a fan! They don’t feel right to me.
feel means a lot i agree.
it took me many seasons to get passed the feel thing driving my decisions.....now its all performance based and i was shocked how the feel of the ball cn change based on your mentality.....i hated the left dash at first but once i started hitting it 20 yards longer and scoring better, the feel of it was great all of a sudden.....thank god for left dot because now i get the performance and feel all in one package
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1 minute ago, Hook DeLoft said:
It's a lot. Obviously, the issue is how to measure spin in the last few feet before the ball hits the ground. I can't imagine there would be any affordable tech that could do that.
I think this would be really cool to see
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17 hours ago, Stuka44 said:
Remember the new $500 driver is adding $10 around for the first 50 rounds you play with it.
I still play my 910 D3 driver because i refuse to pay $600/$700 for one club i hit 12 times per round......the prices of drivers are insane and this bubble will have to burst at some point.....are we trending towards $1000 drivers?
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28 minutes ago, OdinSnipes414 said:
In a professional outlook yea those are the most used balls! But best is a personal preference I don’t like the Left dash the feel is off to me. I use ODIN golf balls mostly and TP5X as a back up! But the Titlest line just not a fan of them!
as a 20 HDCP, the left dash is NOT for you and I agree its harsh, but it is really long. Gives you less of a club into the green on many occasions.
give the prov1 a go......its a really nice feel and really performs.
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28 minutes ago, cnosil said:
You probably need to read articles on spin decay
https://www.tutelman.com/golf/ballflight/spinDecay.php
and how spin decay works in still air
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/595d/3d1f91e240cb47e153b8d0ef586b8caa67c4.pdf
lots of variables that will influence decay and each ball will be different. While the spin at landing is important to how a ball reacts when it hits the green, we can start with spin at launch and interpret how the ball will react; probably the best we can easily determine unless high speed cameras are placed at the landing spot and we capture descent angle and actual spin.
I saw this in the first article
A ball in flight loses something like 3.3 to 4 percent of its spin for each second it is in the air.
In the six seconds of hang time typical on the PGA Tour, the initial spin is reduced to between 78 and 82 percent of its initial spin.Thats huge
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17 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:
Loaded question with so many variables and possibilities.
Will depend on each individual and not only that how a golfer prefers to play or where they play and what conditions.
Maybe there is a chart somewhere.
That's all to not even get preferences for golf balls and more.
My head is spinning ... No pun intended ... So best of luck finding the answer. I think you could ask 100 ppl and get 99 different answers.
i hear ya....and so true
I think "fitters" need to progress away from launch angles and spin being recorded off the immediate hit and focus more on things discussed above.
but if you are not hitting the ball semi straight and can get it up in the air, im not sure any of this matters enough to make any significant impact
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26 minutes ago, OdinSnipes414 said:
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalknot really.....reputation and quality are everything.....BEST is a broad description but from a quality standpoint, TITLEIST Leads the pack by quite a bit.
i play left dot and its amazing...but also play TP5X and CSX......all three work well depending on course and weather......left dot leads the pack
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left Dot or TP5X
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Spin is very important when it lands....all the ball fitters tell us so......
Launch is not important at all in my opinion.....trajectory is much more important....
but the questions still remain as in what spin rate should we be looking for? if we talk descent angles....what spin rates do you need with certain descent angles?? thats a very interesting question for me....
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There is nothing like the LEFT DOT
CSX was great for me as well as the latest version of the TP5X
but left dot is special....
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On 5/1/2023 at 6:34 PM, jroot327 said:
I do. Love the softness and tackiness of them as the name infers. You can really keep the grip pressure light on them for full swings, and I feel they give me a little more touch around the greens. Hope that helps!
it does thank you. im tired of the MCC grips and looking for a better solution.
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When reading articles and watching videos on club fitting, the one thing that has always bothered me was the SPIN rhetoric. I never understood why this was such an important aspect of fitting, especially when spin #'s are gathered the second the ball is hit, but not when the ball lands....so i get the driver part of it...and to a certain extent long irons.....but the questions surround your scoring clubs....we see all these spin numbers generated by wedges and 7 irons but does anyone really know how much spin is left on the ball when it hits the green?
from what i gathered, balls lose up to 80% of its spin in a shot with a six second flight.....meaning you hit a wedge from 140 and its in the air for 6 seconds, your 9000 spin number is actually 1800 rpms when it lands.....when trying to fit for wedges and balls, how come this is never discussed? Also, what spin rate around the green should we be looking for is 1800 relatively high? will 1800 rpms grab on hard greens the same way it does on softer greens?....there is probably close to no spin when chipping off the edge, so does this even matter?
How do you fit for a ball when you have no idea what the greens are like at any given course.....a Prov1 will act different on 30 different greens you play so do we concentrate too much on this #?
Just curious about the whole ball fitting thing because im not sure most people understand what they need to be looking for, namely in scoring clubs....
any thoughts?
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Anyone play these? Im interested in trying but dont know anyone who uses these.
Questions regarding SPIN.....
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a buddy of mine played CB's and i hit them a few times and loved them....so i bought them....
i figured id try to get fit by a pro since that is all the rage....i got fit onto the T100-S because these have more tech and are more "forgiving"......and I still shoot the same......still hit straight or a slight draw....still hit my wedges the same.....i love the T100-S and glad i bouht them but fitting didnt make one bit of difference for me......