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10 hours ago, Mac attack said:
What is the club it replaces? Are they longer than a 3 hybrid? Help me to understand.
My 7 wood replaced my 21 degree hybrid, which a number of years earlier replaced by 3 or 4 iron.
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If the OP wants a 21 degree hybrid or so, I recommend that he try a 7 wood also and compare the two. I am a senior and so our needs may differ, but I replaced my 21 degree hybrid with a PXG 7 wood a couple of years and really like the 7 wood. It is really easy to get up in the air (esp. important on a par 5 on my course where I have a downhill lie on my second shot with a long carry over water). Also, our course has high rough during the summer and I love how easy it is to get balls out of the rough with the club.
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My first two sets of golf clubs were from Spalding - starter set when I was about 13, then Spalding Executives (when they were still forged) that I got as a high school graduation present.
I remember when I started playing golf (early 1970s) the biggest brands of golf balls were
Titleist, Spalding Dot, Wilson Staff and Maxfli (I think this was then owned by Dunlap but the name now is owned by Dick's/Gold Galaxy.
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On 5/19/2023 at 11:09 PM, Sluggo42 said:
Ditch both the 4 and the 5 irons, and get a 7 and a 9 wood- then you can be an official old fart like me haha.
but seriously for a moment, think about it- can you hit your 4 or 5 iron with enough spin and descent angle to hold a hard green? Are they fairly easy to hit?
they kind of slot in to your iron rotation, and suddenly you’re pretty strong all the way up to your 3 wood.
it has really fixed a tough hole for me after the 6 iron.
I have gone for a much more old man golf bag (although still with regular shafts, not senior shafts). Have a 7 wood and 25 degree (five iron substitute), 28 degree (for 6 iron) and 31 degree (for 7 iron) hybrids. Have had the 25 degree hybrid for a while and the 7 wood for a year and a half, but just got the 6 and 7 hybrids late last year. For the three newer clubs, I love the way the ball gets up in the air. My course has a couple of holes where I have to get the ball over water (one a par five and one a very long par four) from a downhill lie. The 7 wood is much better than my 5 wood or than the 21 degree hybrid I replaced it with at getting the ball up in the air. It is also great from thick rough.
Love them.
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4 hours ago, Just_the_Chip said:
Thanks for the update! I did place my order, using a virtual fitting. I'm sitting so uneasy. The place I wanted to go get fitted doesn't do LAB Putters. I had a chance to hit one several times, and so I know the feeling a little bit. But I'm also just getting used to a couple of different putters. So this is an expensive experimentation in virtual fitting, online advice/research, etc. I figured if I really end up hating the putter after may rounds, I can always sell it. LAB putters are holding some value right now.
With that said, I'm also a mid/high handicapper, and my current putter isn't necessarily doing magic right now either. So I figured now is as good as a time as ever to just get used to a new putter.
LAB has a few good videos on how to use their putters. This one is helpful on where to place the ball. Ball Position With A L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1 Putter (youtube.com) I have found that couple that I have watched pretty helpful.
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On 3/29/2024 at 8:21 AM, HAC said:
I did a fitting at a local place. I also did a virtual fitting. The virtual fitting was pretty close to what I got with the actual fitting. But, with the actual fitting, I got to try a LAB putter with an Accra shaft and was able to tell the difference. Plus, I could see from SAM that I was putting the ball much better with a LAB putter than I was with my current putter - the numbers were significantly better and this was even before any adjustments for my measurements. To me, the fitting was well worth it, esp. since I did not pay anything for the fitting - they were having a deal where if I bought something the fitting was free. I will get the putter today by FedEx, so it will be a while before I know whether what I did works, but I am very optimistic. When I get the putter, my next stop will be to make an appointment with a pro at my club who has experience with a LAB putter and take a lesson from him on how to use it. He said that lesson is not that complicated - only takes 10-15 minutes, so I will spend the rest of the hour with him on some questions I have for him on hitting partial wedges.
Played with the putter today for the first time. Went pretty well. I was surprised at how well I did with distance control. I only misjudged distance a couple of times and at least one of those times on a downhill putt I probably would have done so with my old putter - with weather changes over the past few weeks, grass is growing now and green speeds are getting faster (at least until Monday when the greens get aerated).
Probably had a bit more trouble on direction, but most of this was on breaking putts where it is not always easy to tell whether my issue was line or speed.
I feel like this was a promising first round and I look forward to getting to learn the putter better.
- Just_the_Chip, TJ Hall and Bobbers
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On 3/22/2024 at 12:06 AM, MeyerBirdie said:
Just ordered a directed force 2.1 LAB putter. Can’t wait to get it in my bag. My current putter always misses right unless I compensate with closing the face. Anyone gaming this ugly stick?
Just got my DF3 yesterday by FedEx. Went right over to my club and practiced with it. Excited to play with it today. Interesting video on ball position with the putter that seemed to work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mfm8yjUqCY - YouTube
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On 3/19/2024 at 2:52 PM, Just_the_Chip said:
ok real question on this... I did the Mock up and I did the virtual fitting.... but is the virtual fitting that good? I was debating on going to club champion to get fitted? But the emails with the guy gave me the lie angle, confirmed that the length of putter I currently use looks appropriate, and that I could go 1 inch longer if I wanted to stand a little more upright (which I indicated I wanted to)....
So I'm debating if I should just order as is, or if I should actually go get fitted.....
I did a fitting at a local place. I also did a virtual fitting. The virtual fitting was pretty close to what I got with the actual fitting. But, with the actual fitting, I got to try a LAB putter with an Accra shaft and was able to tell the difference. Plus, I could see from SAM that I was putting the ball much better with a LAB putter than I was with my current putter - the numbers were significantly better and this was even before any adjustments for my measurements. To me, the fitting was well worth it, esp. since I did not pay anything for the fitting - they were having a deal where if I bought something the fitting was free. I will get the putter today by FedEx, so it will be a while before I know whether what I did works, but I am very optimistic. When I get the putter, my next stop will be to make an appointment with a pro at my club who has experience with a LAB putter and take a lesson from him on how to use it. He said that lesson is not that complicated - only takes 10-15 minutes, so I will spend the rest of the hour with him on some questions I have for him on hitting partial wedges.
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Ordered a DF3 (left-handed!!!!) yesterday. Got it in black with the B alignment aid. Got a black Accra shaft.
Got fitted on a SAM machine. Putted substantially better than with my current putter, even though I was using a Mezze stock to fit me that differed a bit from the custom DF3 I ordered with my specific measurements.
Cannot wait to get the putter.
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Just now, cnosil said:
Plumbers neck mallets are difficult finds even for right handed golfers. What you also need to consider is length of plumbers neck since it will influence rotation speed.
there really is no such thing as SBST putting stroke unless the player is doing some kind of manipulation. Almost every putting stroke has some degree of arc. Also, just because a putter is marketed as a slight arc putter doesn’t mean it will work for a slight arc player; a strong arc putter may work better.
Shaft fitting is a difficult thing with putters. Most places only have the stock shaft. PXG and Odyssey do have some options but you won’t get to try a LA golf shaft in a PXG putter. Even right handlers are limited in trying upcharge shafts.
to me it sounds like you want to try a specific head shape with every possible hosel type which like you said is a limiting factor….even for right handers. Based on that PXG sounds like where you need to go get fit.
That certainly is where I am leaning. I know what I think I need but I may be wrong. Frankly, I need help. I think right now that the only place to get there is with PXG, but I started this thread to see if there are other alternatives. I recently bought some PXG hybrids that I really like. While I was there getting fitted, I played around a bit with the putters after the fitting. I thought what they did was interesting, so I started this thread to help me decide whether to go back to PXG or whether there was another putter company I should consider. If I were right handed, I really would be thinking about Evnroll, but I am not so this is not a solution.
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On 10/13/2023 at 8:59 AM, Golf2Much said:
Subtracting the hard push to buy a new putter and other issues with CC fitting and follow up, I walked away with a lot from my fitting. I always wondered why I tended to migrate to mallet style when looking for new putters? The PuttLab data and suggestions demonstrated why based on my putting stroke. With that knowledge, I was able to start down the path of finding the right putter for me versus guessing at a golf retail establishment.
Here is where I am right now. I have a light arc putting stroke and seem to like a plumbers neck shaft. But, I also llike a mallet putter. Cannot find too many of these off the shelf. Saw one by TaylorMade but did not seem to like putting it. Some companies have putters where you can mix and match heads and shafts (and get fitted for them) but the only one I see that does so for left-handed persons like myself is PXG. Might go for PXG (they have a fitting place about an hour from my house) but thought I would come here to see if there are other options. I have seen so are Edel and Evnroll suggested, and they would be great if I were right-handed. But, I am not and they don't offer this to a left-handed player. A couple of people suggested LAB, but from everything I have read center-shafter putters work best for people with straight-back, straightforward putting strokes. I could get fitted for a LAB putter on line, but cannot try one because the stores locally that stock LAB putters don't stock them in left-handed putters.
So, my options for getting fitted where I can get a head AND shaft that work best for me seem to be limited to PXG.
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On 10/7/2023 at 9:07 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:
Lots of companies will offer mallets with different necks that can accommodate your stroke.
Sorry can't help you with a store as I am not US based, but if you're looking for a truly awesome fitting check out Edel fitters near you. Evnroll is another company with the V Series that offer a lot of options.
Not sure of they have specialized fitters or not.
According to their website, Edel does not make Left handed putters.
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On 9/30/2023 at 6:24 PM, jdparker said:
But do they make them in a lefty? Haha. All kidding aside I have thought about that as well and wondered why someone hasn't.
So far, the only one I can find who does this for lefties is PXG.
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On 9/28/2023 at 9:40 AM, Nick_D said:
You should check out both Evnroll and Edel putters. I know Evnroll offers basically exactly what you're looking for, and there is a member test going on right now. And I think Edel offers several different hosel types as well? Someone might be able to give more detail on them.
Not for left handers.
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13 minutes ago, jdparker said:
I would suggest sending in a video to LAB and seeing what they say. It's free. Of course I am biased a bit after owning one, but they take so much out of a putting stroke and makes it easier.
I will say it took some time to get used to and understand that you don't have to force the stroke but I am putting good with it and it reminds me of the ping.
I know being a lefty makes it very difficult and the options at most stores are super limited.
I can see paying the price of a LAB putter if I got to try it and knew that I loved it but it is hard to do that when I have not tried one or even tried any center shafted putter. Which LAB putter do you own.
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17 minutes ago, jdparker said:
I am all about LAB putters but the stores aren't going to carry left handed. I checked prior to ordering mine because I was hoping to not have to wait 6 weeks.
That is the biggest challenge with most clubs is being lefty your options are limited.
@HAC I took the chance with LAB and am glad that I did but I had been looking at them for a while. I personally prefer center shafted putters and used a ping doc17 ugly putter for years.
As for fittings, other than what a few folks have said, it may just be a lot of research.
Don't even know if I prefer or hate center shafted putters. Have never seen a left-handed one.
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I would like a mallet putter but I don't have a straight back and through putting stroke. Most mallet putters are face balanced and, through experience, I am not sure they are right for me. I have seen when I got fit for PXG hybrids recently that with PXG putters that it possible to put different types of shafts on each of the putters that they make. I also have been told by one of the pros at my club that with Calloway putters this type of interchangeability is not available - that I can only choose between the options that they make and sell for different putters - being lefthanded, for me this is a much smaller set of options than for you right-handed guys.
Which is more typical? When I look at the big box stores, there just seem to be a fixed number of putter options - a small number for left handed golfers. Are there other putter companies (possibly some of the major ones where I can actually find the putters) where I can get fit like with the PXG putters? At the big box stores? At smaller fitters? [Please don't recommend Club Champion. I once looked there and their options for left handers was pitiful.]
Or, should I just be thankful PXG has what they have and run there and get fitted - they have a fitting place about 1 hour from my house.
Thanks for any help.
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I don't see on the specifications on the website the amount of offset and the bounce on the various irons. Has anyone seen this data?
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On 7/25/2020 at 10:06 PM, HAC said:
The original Big Bertha Driver was a game changer.
Adding to my answer, to me the most innovative clubs of all time were:
Ping Anser Putter - heel and toe weighted putter
Ping Eye 2 Irons - perimeter weighting
TaylorMade's original rescue clubs - hybrids were brand new
Big Bertha Driver - first oversized driver
XXIO clubs - really light clubs for women and seniors
This is a bit different answer that what were the best clubs of all time. But these clubs to me moved the ball forward and moved us in a large way to where clubs are today. I am sure I am missing some very innovative clubs and am interested in the thoughts of others. Unfortunately, I have never owned any of these.
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On 5/29/2023 at 2:48 PM, russtopherb said:
They all look incredible across the board. I really liked how the T300s looked before, and seeing the T350s they look even cleaner. Love seeing Titleist staying with an SGI release.
Is the T350 a replacement for the T300?
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On 4/11/2023 at 2:21 PM, ole gray said:
I played some solid golf today with my HDs and brought home an 80. I struggled around the green with some pitch shots so I know what needs work. The more I game the HDs the better they feel and I have to say it takes time to become accustomed to the shape and size of these irons but once you do, it's on like donkey kong. Anything I said earlier about forgiveness etc. was no doubt brought on by the Indian and not the arrow. These irons are extremely user-friendly once you have a few trips around the block with em.
Great play. I see you go down with the HDs through pitching wedge. Do you like them as well for shorter irons as for longer irons? I have been thinking about a mixed set as indicated above, but would love to have your thoughts.
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On 2/22/2023 at 6:30 PM, ole gray said:
Yes, and I have a set on order now. I hit several balls at Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation during my fitting and left knowing I had to have a set. My golf swing was off on vacation however I could still tell these irons are no joke. I'm a senior golfer (72) with a 12 handicap and my swing speed is less than impressive these days. I can see how these irons will help a multitude of golfers. More to come once I have some time on the golf course during competition.
I am a senior golfer (almost 68) currently is a 12.5 index so am in a similar boat to you. I have gotten less consistent with my 6 and 7 irons over the last few years - kind of have a love-hate relationship with them (as soon as I am ready to replace them, I hit them really well). I have been thinking about replacing these two irons with hybrids but have never been comfortable enough to do so. Now I am thinking about getting Stealth HD 6 and 7 irons as a compromise. A TaylorMade rep came to our club a couple of weeks ago and I hit a 7 iron some on the range. Boy was it easy to hit. Really flies high. One of our pros said to me that he would order a 6 iron for me to demo and that I could either keep it or they would use it as a demo. I am thinking about this but want to try a few other things first when the manufacturers come to our club. My biggest issue is making this fit into my set. My 25 degree hybrid and my irons are about 5 years old. Although I am a much better player now than I was then (retirement is wonderful), I am pretty sure I would be fit for irons with lighter shafts than I was then. I think the HD iron I tried was lighter than my current hybrid and irons. [The TaylorMade rep recommended a Fujikura Speeder NX Red IR regular shaft.] I may be able to stay with slightly heavier clubs for my 8 iron on up, but likely would want a new 25 degree hybrid.
I have Titleist irons now and like them so I likely won't make a decision until later this summer when (based on rumors I have read) Titleist comes out with new irons. Could replace my hybrid and all of my irons, Could replace just the hybrid and 6 and 7 irons. Could do nothing. We will see.
I play in a senior group at my club every week where the prizes are shop credit. We have about 100 members who are part of the group and only about 30 play week to week, so there is a good chance of winning more credit (most events are based on net scores, with A, B, C, D teams, etc. so giving everyone a chance to get money - generally 12 players win something each weel). Because of something else also, I am already over $100 in shop credit and can almost buy an HD 6 iron for shop credit. So, waiting until I am comfortable to decide will make the clubs cheaper.
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5. Pitching wedge and gap wedge (48 degrees) came with my iron set. Then 52 and 56 degree Ping Glides. Then 58 degree Volkey that I use as a lob wedge. 58 degree wedge has a steel shaft so if heavier than others (all graphite) making the difference between the 56 and 58 degree better. Next time, I would buy a 60 degree wedge with a lighter shaft, but I had the Volkey before the 56 degree wedge, which I got because I wanted a club with more bounce. It was supposed to replace the 58 degree wedge, but I found that for certain shots I wanted something with less bounce.
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On 3/26/2023 at 10:45 PM, Skinkb01 said:
Hey, I'm new to the forums and just started getting back into golf over the past 1-1/2. I've never had new clubs and currently have Callaway x14 irons. I've really liked these irons but last year it seems like they lost a bit of distance; I'm blaming the old clubs not me getting close to 40.
2 years ago I switched careers and am now in education and with a lot of free time in the summer, decided to take up golf again. I'm looking at getting new irons and possibly getting custom fitted. Any suggestions on what irons to try? Im probably a 15-18 handicap if I had to guess. My main struggle is 140 yards and in. Last year I was mostly blocking shots off to the right. I'm probably going to get some lessons this year too.
My main question is, should I get lessons before getting new irons? And should I get fitted for irons. Thanks!
Get fitted for everything, but take some lessons (plus at least two weeks after your last lesson) first.
Do you have any idea if your lie angle is correct? Playing irons and wedges that are too flat could be causing your shot going right. Or the cause could be something else - your swing, playing irons that are too stiff or heavy, etc. Have someone good work on your swing, then help you select clubs.
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I should say that last fall I replaced my 6 iron with a 28 degree hybrid and my 7 iron with a 31 degree hybrid. So far, so good. Much more consistent with the hybrids and hit them very high (they land softly). Also, really easy to hit out of the rough, although I must say our rough was shorter than in summer when I got the clubs last fall and are currently not yet at summer levels (although starting to get there).