KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Last winter I started tinkering with my putting. Living in the Northeast, it was down my cellar, with putt lengths of 3,6, and 10 feet. I was never a great putter, nor was I a horrible putter. Consistent, no....Streaky, at best.I found I was always kind of wristy. I think I made that word up. My putting stroke would be forever changing. Not being able to find a repetitive groove. On a whim, surfing E bay, I started looking at Kuchar style arm lock putters by Bettinardi. Kuchar being my favorite player, I'm sure was some influence. The average price tag on E bay was around $250.00. High water mark well into the 3's, low end around $175.00 ish. I you tubed this style of putting and thought it wouldn't be that hard to replicate. My only drawback, was do I invest $250 in a putter, which I'm not sure if I can putt. The company, Bettinardi, caused me no concern. I knew they produced a fine product, it was the method that scared me. Well, I took the plunge. I bid on a store used only Kuchar 2 arm lock putter. I got it for far less than than the average price, and even less than I was willing to go. I practiced all winter, watching videos and looking at Kuchar's grip, and started feeling very comfortable. When the season opened up, the main problem I found was speed. The line was running true. The stroke was the same every time. The wrists were out of the equation. After getting the speed somewhat under control, I started making more putts. Not saying, by any stretch, I am now a great putter, but I can say my confidence level is, I can make any putt from all reasonable distances and then some. This style, I'm sure is not for everyone, but for me it was a golfing Godsend. So to speak. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Last winter I started tinkering with my putting. Living in the Northeast, it was down my cellar, with putt lengths of 3,6, and 10 feet. I was never a great putter, nor was I a horrible putter. Consistent, no....Streaky, at best.I found I was always kind of wristy. I think I made that word up. My putting stroke would be forever changing. Not being able to find a repetitive groove. On a whim, surfing E bay, I started looking at Kuchar style arm lock putters by Bettinardi. Kuchar being my favorite player, I'm sure was some influence. The average price tag on E bay was around $250.00. High water mark well into the 3's, low end around $175.00 ish. I you tubed this style of putting and thought it wouldn't be that hard to replicate. My only drawback, was do I invest $250 in a putter, which I'm not sure if I can putt. The company, Bettinardi, caused me no concern. I knew they produced a fine product, it was the method that scared me. Well, I took the plunge. I bid on a store used only Kuchar 2 arm lock putter. I got it for far less than than the average price, and even less than I was willing to go. I practiced all winter, watching videos and looking at Kuchar's grip, and started feeling very comfortable. When the season opened up, the main problem I found was speed. The line was running true. The stroke was the same every time. The wrists were out of the equation. After getting the speed somewhat under control, I started making more putts. Not saying, by any stretch, I am now a great putter, but I can say my confidence level is, I can make any putt from all reasonable distances and then some. This style, I'm sure is not for everyone, but for me it was a golfing Godsend. So to speak. I get the concept and have always liked the stroke this putter produces. I just cannot tell where in the world I'm aimed with it. A combination of so much forward press and how I hold my eyes and head over the ball gives me the sweetest roll on putts going nowhere near the target lol. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I get the concept and have always liked the stroke this putter produces. I just cannot tell where in the world I'm aimed with it. A combination of so much forward press and how I hold my eyes and head over the ball gives me the sweetest roll on putts going nowhere near the target lol. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Line vs speed! Does this mean you're on the line train? Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I tried an Odyssey Armlock 1W and it produced a very repeatable true rolling putt. But like you gaussman I had no idea where I was lined up. There is some merit to the style, and maybe with a different putter I would have been able to line it up better. Having tried it I'm even more surprised the USGA doesn't consider it anchoring because it definitely helped take the wrists out of the stroke. 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Line vs speed! Does this mean you're on the line train? Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy Good Q Stud but no. I've always thought of myself as a speed putter. That said I do need to be able to start the putt where I want to and standing over these I can't tell where it's going to start. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I tried an Odyssey Armlock 1W and it produced a very repeatable true rolling putt. But like you gaussman I had no idea where I was lined up. There is some merit to the style, and maybe with a different putter I would have been able to line it up better. Having tried it I'm even more surprised the USGA doesn't consider it anchoring because it definitely helped take the wrists out of the stroke.Yeah I agree. According to the USGA language, since the top of the grip is still actually moving back and forth then this type of putter isn't anchored even though it is clamped to the arm. It's a weird hair they decided to split there Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's awesome! I'm working on a grip change right now to take the wrists out of the equation. I tried Spieth's grip two nights ago and I think I've found my new grip! He's left hand low like me, so it was in my ballpark right off the bat! Glad it made an impression on your game! That's awesome!!! I bet your speed will be much better this year just having a year under your belt. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's awesome! I'm working on a grip change right now to take the wrists out of the equation. I tried Spieth's grip two nights ago and I think I've found my new grip! He's left hand low like me, so it was in my ballpark right off the bat! Glad it made an impression on your game! That's awesome!!! I bet your speed will be much better this year just having a year under your belt. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I putt with a similar grip to JS only in reverse my left hand is high and on the club first and my right hand is like how he puts it on the club. Works well for me.I have been interested in the Kuchar style putting it seems to work with him. If it works for you that's awesome. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's awesome! I'm working on a grip change right now to take the wrists out of the equation. I tried Spieth's grip two nights ago and I think I've found my new grip! He's left hand low like me, so it was in my ballpark right off the bat! Glad it made an impression on your game! That's awesome!!! I bet your speed will be much better this year just having a year under your belt. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I'm counting on it...... Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 I get the concept and have always liked the stroke this putter produces. I just cannot tell where in the world I'm aimed with it. A combination of so much forward press and how I hold my eyes and head over the ball gives me the sweetest roll on putts going nowhere near the target lol. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk That's why I said it's not for everyone........it took me a while, for comfort to have my head almost directly over the ball......at first everything missed left but with a few minor adjustments and repetitions I got it....Winter in New England gives you a lot of time to tinker..... Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 I putt with a similar grip to JS only in reverse my left hand is high and on the club first and my right hand is like how he puts it on the club. Works well for me. I have been interested in the Kuchar style putting it seems to work with him. If it works for you that's awesome. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk It does....a lot of practice but now it is like second nature to me..... Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 I putt with a similar grip to JS only in reverse my left hand is high and on the club first and my right hand is like how he puts it on the club. Works well for me. I have been interested in the Kuchar style putting it seems to work with him. If it works for you that's awesome. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk I putt with a similar grip to JS only in reverse my left hand is high and on the club first and my right hand is like how he puts it on the club. Works well for me. I have been interested in the Kuchar style putting it seems to work with him. If it works for you that's awesome. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Good luck on your new grip....I know Koooch's style is not for everyone...but if someone was a horrendous putter or totally unhappy with there putting, I thought it would be worth the try. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yeah I agree. According to the USGA language, since the top of the grip is still actually moving back and forth then this type of putter isn't anchored even though it is clamped to the arm. It's a weird hair they decided to split there Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk The reason is not considered anchoring reads something like this..... 3) FOREARM USE YES: It's permissible to hold the club against the hand or forearm while making a stroke (like Matt Kuchar). The reason is that the hands and arms still swing without restriction.NO: Once the shaft is braced against an arm at or above the elbow joint, it's directly anchored, rules-makers say. So be careful how you hold it against your arm. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I messed around with a Kooch putter for 10-15 minutes. I see how it could help with some practice, but not my bag Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 This thread may save the Forward grip on my MLA. I gripped way down on it and it felt much better. I'll consider myself fickle on this decision since the new grip is en route anyway. They're may be something to this counter balanced approach. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Well, the season has started full swing. Things are going ok from tee to green. Putting has been atrocious. One 9 hole league match I 3 putted 6 times. Then following Wednesday I played my home course. No, strange environs for me. 3 putted 5 times. Started getting very mechanical , and maniacal with the putter. Missing from 3 feet, 6 feet, 12 feet. 3 putting from anything more than 15 feet. Scrapped the Kuchar arm length and headed for the putter graveyard in my cellar. Went back to a 30 year old putter I had, 35 inch length and not real pleasing to the eye, like me it's old.Played 3 rounds with it and 3 putted 2 times. Maybe, not good but better. Looked to trade in the Kuchar arm lock. Got a fair price, and shipped her off. Once, I get the trade confirmation and cash, looking for a new putter. I am not a $400 putter guy, economics and better judgement has me stray from that price range. Tried the Cleveland Huntington Beach 1. Like the style, looks and feel. Has anyone ever or still use one of these? What is your take? I know the spy and Golf digest gave it good reviews. Any input??????? Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 It sucks that the experiment failed, but at least you can say you learned something. I played with a claw grip for the better part of two seasons. I really, really liked the repeatability of the line, but my speed control beyond around 20 feet was terrible and I left myself way too many 5, 6, + foot putts to salvage a two putt. Fortunately, I made a fair amount of them, but they were stressful two putts. Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 It does suck.........but I'm going to figure it out. Been putting with my old 35 " putter, have a Cleveland Huntington Park, on order. Paid by Christmas gift card and a trade in. I'm going to revamp my head, (not the putters head, my head)things will b e ok...... Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 It does suck.........but I'm going to figure it out. Been putting with my old 35 " putter, have a Cleveland Huntington Park, on order. Paid by Christmas gift card and a trade in. I'm going to revamp my head, (not the putters head, my head)things will b e ok...... Although I am by no means a great putter, one thing that helped me going back to traditional grip was the yard stick drill (making sure ball stays on a yard stick the entire length of it) and the ladder drill for distance. They have really helped with consistency of my stroke. Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Although I am by no means a great putter, one thing that helped me going back to traditional grip was the yard stick drill (making sure ball stays on a yard stick the entire length of it) and the ladder drill for distance. They have really helped with consistency of my stroke. Going to give that yardstick drill a go.....sounds like a cheap reasonable drill, my new putter is in route, so excited to give it a whack!!!!!!! Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PutterLove1992 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I've been putting back hand and improved tremendously Sent from my STV100-2 using Tapatalk MIZUNO MX 23 (3-PW) CLEVELAND CG15 ZipGroove Wedges TOMMY ARMOUR IMPACT SERIES NO.1 PUTTER ALWAYS LOOKING TO TRADE OR BUY CLUBS ESPECIALLY PUTTERS!! Email - [email protected] or private message me anytime MY GOLF SPY #1 FORUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PutterLove1992 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I'll have to try the kuch style I am getting the bettinardi kuch series 2 Sent from my STV100-2 using Tapatalk MIZUNO MX 23 (3-PW) CLEVELAND CG15 ZipGroove Wedges TOMMY ARMOUR IMPACT SERIES NO.1 PUTTER ALWAYS LOOKING TO TRADE OR BUY CLUBS ESPECIALLY PUTTERS!! Email - [email protected] or private message me anytime MY GOLF SPY #1 FORUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine22 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 years ago I was coming off of a bad putting round and saw Kuchar using the longish putter. I went to Golfsmith and found a 44†NIke Core Method putter marked down from $180 to $28. I decided it was worth the experiment and continue to ride this train. Consistency on distance and line have greatly improved. It seems like I make everything (maybe a bit of an exaggeration) inside of 8 feet. My crew now hates my putter and have tried numerous times to outlaw it and/or steal it from my bag. Love the Kuchar/SImpson style! Driver: Ping G25 10.5 degrees, Tour S-flex 5 Wood - Ping G25 18 degrees, 3 wood shaft, Tour S-flex 7 Wood- Ping G25 21 degrees, Tour S-flex Hybrid - Ping G25 23 degrees, Tour S-flex 4 iron - Ping G2, Z-Z65 shaft, white dot PW - 5 iron- Ping I3, Z-Z65 shaft, white dot 56/60 degree - Ping M/B wedge, Z-Z65 shaft, white dot All with I3 gold gripsPutter - Nike Core Method Drone 44†(aka “The Assassin). Golf Ball - Pro VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 3 years ago I was coming off of a bad putting round and saw Kuchar using the longish putter. I went to Golfsmith and found a 44†NIke Core Method putter marked down from $180 to $28. I decided it was worth the experiment and continue to ride this train. Consistency on distance and line have greatly improved. It seems like I make everything (maybe a bit of an exaggeration) inside of 8 feet. My crew now hates my putter and have tried numerous times to outlaw it and/or steal it from my bag. Love the Kuchar/SImpson style! Good for you, I hope it lasts. For me it was instant success followed by a total meltdown. I'm back conventional with a brand new Cleveland Huntington 1, and I'm putting really well. Continued success with the Kuchar style. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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