Christof Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Hello I have the Wilson D9 irons with the KBS max ultra lite and the Cleveland RTX 5-6 wedges with the Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex. For 1 reason or another I always have a better feeling with the wedges than with the irons, I don't quite know how to put it, feels more like 1 unit with the arms and body, the difference I feel is that the weight with the wedges is more from below or lower. I find that exactly more pleasant, I have a wilson wedges with Dynamic Gold 120 S300 feels lighter the weight is also distributed differently, does feel good anyway is that so does feel good but miss something, then Cleveland takes hold feels exactly right immediately too. Is this the case with everyone that the wedges feel different from irons? Or do I have the wrong irons or is the difference in the shaft? Greetings Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 It sounds like you are describing a difference in swing weights. Try adding lead tape to one of the irons to see if that helps. Christof and cnosil 2 Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Christof said: Hello I have the Wilson D9 irons with the KBS max ultra lite and the Cleveland RTX 5-6 wedges with the Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex. For 1 reason or another I always have a better feeling with the wedges than with the irons, I don't quite know how to put it, feels more like 1 unit with the arms and body, the difference I feel is that the weight with the wedges is more from below or lower. I find that exactly more pleasant, I have a wilson wedges with Dynamic Gold 120 S300 feels lighter the weight is also distributed differently, does feel good anyway is that so does feel good but miss something, then Cleveland takes hold feels exactly right immediately too. Is this the case with everyone that the wedges feel different from irons? Or do I have the wrong irons or is the difference in the shaft? Greetings Christof I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120. That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel. You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons. Christof 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I have the same feeling throughout the bag. you have a big difference in weight between the wedge sand irons. Also different shaft design. Not surprised there’s a difference in the feel. Christof 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 5:28 PM, Hook DeLoft said: It sounds like you are describing a difference in swing weights. Try adding lead tape to one of the irons to see if that helps. Good day Hook DeLoft Yes swing weight, yes that could be it, I'm not that into golf technical terms. Of lead tape, I myself have never heard of it. Yes maybe is try once. You stick that on the back of the irons? Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, cnosil said: I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120. That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel. You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons. Good day cnosil Amai that's 40 grams, yes then is looking back at it when I go to do a fitting, good to know. On 28.10.23 I have a fitting testing Taylormade at the club, I can also see what they have to say. But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Christof said: But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? No, shaft weight and flex are independent. Christof 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Christof said: Good day Hook DeLoft Yes swing weight, yes that could be it, I'm not that into golf technical terms. Of lead tape, I myself have never heard of it. Yes maybe is try once. You stick that on the back of the irons? https://www.amazon.com/lead-tape/s?k=lead+tape stick it on the back of the irons. Adding 2 grams to the head increases swing weight by 1 point. Christof 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 11:42 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: I have the same feeling throughout the bag. you have a big difference in weight between the wedge sand irons. Also different shaft design. Not surprised there’s a difference in the feel. Good day RickyBobby_PR Ok then I am not alone after all, I do find it annoying, I take the RTX feel hold a club and the swing feels good, at the irons is good but doesn't feel the same as with the irons, going from irons to wedges is always Difficult exactly a different rhythm I have to apply. As Consil says 40gram is too big a difference. Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, cnosil said: No, shaft weight and flex are independent. OK then I know that again, it's not all simple. Thanks Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, cnosil said: https://www.amazon.com/lead-tape/s?k=lead+tape stick it on the back of the irons. Adding 2 grams to the head increases swing weight by 1 point. Okay, I just saw, my irons have a swing weight of D1, my wedges 48° D3 and 54°-58°-62° D5, my fairways have D3. Then I have to tape on my irons already 4 grams of tape for having to tape to D3. Thanks for the information. Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Christof said: Okay, I just saw, my irons have a swing weight of D1, my wedges 48° D3 and 54°-58°-62° D5, my fairways have D3. Then I have to tape on my irons already 4 grams of tape for having to tape to D3. Thanks for the information. Christof For some swingweight is important but overall weight ks as important if not more. If you get overal weight fright then swing weight will be fine. my wedges are d5-6 and my irons typically d1-2. But the overall weight in my irons plays similar to the wedges so I get the same feeling Christof 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 OK I haven't actually weighed that yet, I can do that is. Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 Hello I weighed my club is, though with a kitchen scale. I don't know if the differences in weight are too big for lead tape on or not? I also don't know 50grams is a big difference or not. Greetings Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, cnosil said: I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120. That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel. You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons. On 10/17/2023 at 9:59 PM, Christof said: Good day cnosil Amai that's 40 grams, yes then is looking back at it when I go to do a fitting, good to know. On 28.10.23 I have a fitting testing Taylormade at the club, I can also see what they have to say. But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? Christof Hello Cnosil and anyone else reading it. I did a Taylormade fitting today, irons only, Club turned out to be the P790 with an Elevate MPH R-flex 95 Steel Iron Shaft. Felt good though, was pleasant to hit, felt more like 1 hit. I still had a Nippon shaft the N.S.PRO 950GH neo and one of the Dynamic Gold models also tried think a stiff am not sure, with the trackman results and my physical problems the Elevate MPH R-flex 95 came out best, it was between the Nippon and Elevate, the Elavate results better and difference that the tip is slightly heavier and felt better to me. I also tried the Stealth club that was nothing at all. Christof Quote Redline Monte Carlo, Face Balanced, Grip: max RTX5 58°/06°, RTX6° 54° low+8° and 48°/10°Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex D9: 5 en PW; KBS Max Ultralight steel Stealth F.W.7 21° and F.W.3 15° ventus red 5 regular TP5: Pro plus Garmin: Vivoactive 4 Air max 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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