HoosierGolfer Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/27/callaway-will-move-assembly-work-mexico/ Still trying to figure out what to think about this or whether it really matters. Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50" 3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15* 40.25" 5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50" 7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25" Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5" Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5" Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00" "Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 They are moving to Mexico to make MORE of a profit, ridiculous. I will be trading in my Callaway clubs a not buying any more. Ely is probably rolling in his grave. Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendricks97 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 no more Callaway in my house. Thanks for contributing to the unemployment issues so the CEO can keep his $4,000,000 salary from last year. Nothing helps you find a lost ball better than a provisional hit straight down the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendricks97 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 oh, and shouldnt we move this thread to a Mexican equipment thread now? Nothing helps you find a lost ball better than a provisional hit straight down the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyk Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Kind of silly, I don't think many of the big club companies manufature in the US, and I didn't even know Callaway did until these articles saying they're moving appeared. So for everyone that now wants to bag on Cally for moving, I hope you all had Callys in your bag before, and I hope the rest of your gear is all Made In USA, and I hope you replace your Callys with Made in USA clubs. I bet its harder to do than you think, especially if you want both "Made in USA" and "Mainstream Golf Label". And PS: Anheuser Bush is owned by a foreign company too, so drown your sorrows elsewhere. Ping I20 8.5* - Aldila NV 65g SAdams XTD Super Hybrid 15* - Stock Fubuki SAdams DHY 21* - Stock Matrix Ozik White Tie SMizuno MP58 4-8 Irons - Fujikura MCI 100 SSCOR 42,46,50,54,58* - SCOR/KBS Genius SSTX Robert Ingman Envision TR 35", Iomic grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Kind of silly, I don't think many of the big club companies manufature in the US, and I didn't even know Callaway did until these articles saying they're moving appeared. So for everyone that now wants to bag on Cally for moving, I hope you all had Callys in your bag before, and I hope the rest of your gear is all Made In USA, and I hope you replace your Callys with Made in USA clubs. I bet its harder to do than you think, especially if you want both "Made in USA" and "Mainstream Golf Label". And PS: Anheuser Bush is owned by a foreign company too, so drown your sorrows elsewhere. Thats not the point here. It doesn't matter if something isn't made in the US or is owned by a foreign company. I will not own products from a company that is US based and moves to a foreign country to make more of a profit. They are taking jobs away from Americans because of their own greed; thats the point. Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyk Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I suspect you own plenty of products just like that, its practically impossible to avoid. What difference does it make if its a US or foreign based company manufacturing elsewhere? How is a US based company manufacturing here supposed to compete with an Austrailian company manufacturing at 1/3 the cost in China? Anyhow, I don't remember anyone saying last week "Buy Callaway! They're a US based company manufacturing in the US! Spend a bit more to support local jobs!" I mean, its great if that's what someone was thinking or doing, but the bald truth is that there weren't ENOUGH people thinking and doing it to keep Callaway competitive. So now Cally gets slammed for doing what every other company did years ago? One would have thought that "Made in the USA" would have been a good marketing tool for Cally here in the U.S., especially in this economic climate. I don't remember them ever touting that. Ping I20 8.5* - Aldila NV 65g SAdams XTD Super Hybrid 15* - Stock Fubuki SAdams DHY 21* - Stock Matrix Ozik White Tie SMizuno MP58 4-8 Irons - Fujikura MCI 100 SSCOR 42,46,50,54,58* - SCOR/KBS Genius SSTX Robert Ingman Envision TR 35", Iomic grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canyon23 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'll admit to being oblivious to where most of the OEM's manufacture their products, but can you really fault a company for making a business decision that will increase profits? Isn't that what people get into business for, to make a profit? Of course it's unfortunate when jobs are lost based on the decision, but I don't call that "greed", IMHO that's business. I would also assume that the CEO's compensation isn't too far off from what the leaders of the other major players make. I don't know, I'd say that as long as the quality of their products remain high, then this shouldn't affect a buyers decision to purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted July 29, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted July 29, 2010 And PS: Anheuser Bush is owned by a foreign company too, so drown your sorrows elsewhere. Thank goodness for local brewers! Stone Ruination IPA on ice for camping this afternoon. On topic, buy the gear you like for the reasons important to you. Manufacturing location may be a reason for some. My parents grew up in Detroit, have ALWAYS owned American made cars, and actually catch grief from siblings that my brothers and I all drive imports. It matters to them. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SargeDesign Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm the kind of person who will spend the extra 5% to get the "Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer" version of whatever I'm buying. I care about people and the future of this country. As a current student of business administration, I can tell you that these company owners are screwed up in the head. In school they teach us that its the "BEST" decision to outsource if its cheaper, but its the "GOOD" decision to give jobs to people in our economy because it ensures that the economy wont be non-existent in 10 years. The more jobs we lose in the US, the more people don't have money to buy these clubs at all...and when you don't have anyone to sell to, you're finished. That will happen time after time until we cannot sustain ourselves. So am I willing to spend $2 to keep $1 from going overseas? You bet I am. I realize that I am helping myself and everyone around me when I do that. My dad works for a company that produces glass, half of the staff that works for him have a MASTERS in Engineering from Division I schools and make $10/hour on a plant floor. Callaway leaving the US is just another piece of wood in the fire. SARGE BLOG: Helping people win the internet since the day I started helping people win the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Thank goodness for local brewers! Stone Ruination IPA on ice for camping this afternoon. Word. I have no problem buying Busch products though; yes, they sold to a foreign company, but they are still making beer in St. Louis and keeping Americans employed. On topic, buy the gear you like for the reasons important to you. Manufacturing location may be a reason for some. My parents grew up in Detroit, have ALWAYS owned American made cars, and actually catch grief from siblings that my brothers and I all drive imports. It matters to them. Again, I have no problem buying "foreign". I just can't support a company that is throwing aside Americans for cheaper labor. If they want more sales, maybe they should price their products more competitively. If I go to a golf store and see a Cally driver for $459 and another comparable driver for $399, I'm going to go with the cheaper. I catch crap for buying Toyota, but I have several family and friends that are building these cars in the US, so I'm going to support them. Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGolfer Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 Thats not the point here. It doesn't matter if something isn't made in the US or is owned by a foreign company. I will not own products from a company that is US based and moves to a foreign country to make more of a profit. They are taking jobs away from Americans because of their own greed; thats the point. I sort of agree. I wonder if Phil still gets his $8 million a year and the CEO his $4 million. $hit runs down hill. Always has, always will. The guy at the bottom of the hill gets axed. Are Pings still assembled in the US? Are their irons still cast in the US? Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50" 3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15* 40.25" 5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50" 7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25" Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5" Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5" Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00" "Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeLeftPGA Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Are Pings still assembled in the US? Are their irons still cast in the US? I think it was about 2 years ago now that Ping moved its facility to ... Mexico. China is getting way to expensive, I think that you'll see a lot of companies moving to Mexico; and not just golf... Callaway still makes it's golf balls in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SargeDesign Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I sort of agree. I wonder if Phil still gets his $8 million a year and the CEO his $4 million. $hit runs down hill. Always has, always will. The guy at the bottom of the hill gets axed. Are Pings still assembled in the US? Are their irons still cast in the US? http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/sportinggoods.html Yes PING still makes all of their stuff in Arizona. The way Karsten intended it to be, and thats the way it will stay as long as a Solheim is at the head of the company. I love Ping because of their clubs, but I continue to support and buy from them because of their ethics as a company. EDIT: In fact, Ping has the ONLY golf club foundry in the US. I also add that I play Paul Reed Smith guitars, which are made from start to finish in Maryland. SARGE BLOG: Helping people win the internet since the day I started helping people win the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGolfer Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/sportinggoods.html Yes PING still makes all of their stuff in Arizona. The way Karsten intended it to be, and thats the way it will stay as long as a Solheim is at the head of the company. I love Ping because of their clubs, but I continue to support and buy from them because of their ethics as a company. EDIT: In fact, Ping has the ONLY golf club foundry in the US. I also add that I play Paul Reed Smith guitars, which are made from start to finish in Maryland. Thanks for the input. I have played Callaway clubs for nearly 20 years, but for whatever reason, I just hate reading about another hundred plus people getting the pink slip while creating more jobs in another country. My home course has been a Callaway dealer for years but began selling Ping 2 years ago. I have been thinking about an iron change so it may be time for a brand change as well. Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50" 3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15* 40.25" 5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50" 7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25" Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5" Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5" Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00" "Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfBagCheck.com Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 FYI - this is supposedly from PING. I remember them having to have their metal woods made overseas over 5 years ago, but assembled in USA. http://reviews.ebay.com/Email-Response-Direct-from-Ping-Golf_W0QQugidZ10000000007639752 You asked: Are any of the components that make up a Ping golf club made in China? If so what are some examples? We replied: All clubs are designed by our engineers. However, the PING Jr. Moxie and Pal clubs are made in China to our specifications. The Tour wedges are also made in China to keep the cost down (this is because the grooves are actually machined in). The Driver, fairway and hybrid wood heads are also poured in China to our specs (we create the mold and give it to them to use). Our foundry in Phoenix is not set up to pour titanium (there are no plants left in the US that pour titanium). We then receive the heads here, inspect them and then assemble the clubs at our plant in Phoenix, AZ. The iron heads and putter heads are poured at our foundry in Phoenix (with the exception of the Rapture iron heads which are poured/made in China due to the titanium face). The Redwood putters are forged in China but we mill the heads here at our facility in Phoenix. As for the shafts, anything with the PING name is designed by our engineers to work for that product. However, we do not make our own shafts. We have True Temper build our steel shafts and Aldila, Grafalloy, Graphite Design and UST make the graphite shafts to our specs. All of these manufacturers build the shafts outside of the US with the exception of True Temper (still in the US). The shafts are tested in our quality control area to make sure they are within our standards before they go to the assembly area. Most of the assembly is done at our factory in Phoenix. However, we do have a plant in the UK, Germany, Canada and Japan. We will send finished clubs to these plants and they distribute them for us. The Japan and UK plants can actually receive components from us and they can assemble them at their facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGolfer Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Callaway has also been guilty of another injustice being done to their dealers. In Indiana where I live, there is a chain of discount sports stores called Dunham's. A couple of years ago, Callaway flooded the market through these discount chains by placing a cheaper version of their X-18 irons in these stores. These were known as X-18"R" irons and they were 3 to 4 hundred dollars cheaper that the regular X-18 irons. They were also of a much cheaper quality. Callaway done this again by placing new sets of X-20 irons in Dunham's stores at $399 while the X-20 line was still current. These again were made out of cheaper steel and can not be bent to adjust lie because of breakage. They also do not have a bore thru shaft, although they appear to have it. It is just a glued in piece that looks like a bore through. My home course had sets of X-20's which were at the time priced at $699 but couldn't sell them because there is a Dunham's 15 miles away and everyone was seeing X-20's priced there and in their sale ad's in all local papers at $399. I think that is a little underhanded and they are turning their backs to the small dealer like my home course. Because of this practice, my home course after nearly 20 years as a Callaway dealer, are dropping the brand. This is where I have bought all of my Callaway gear for years and now they are not a dealer any longer. When you lump on the fact they are dropping their US workers, I see no reason to support them any longer. Last evening, I traded in 7 different Callaway fairways I had, my irons and hybrid for a set of Ping irons, Ping 3 wood & hybrid and my new Ping driver will be ordered today. I'm sure Ely Callaway has rolled over several times recently in his grave and that makes me a little sad. To each his own, but I'm moving on. Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50" 3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15* 40.25" 5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50" 7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25" Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5" Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5" Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00" "Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 That does suck. We had a Dunhams here (closed about 6 months ago), but they didn't carry any golf clubs. Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm going to try to sell my Callys, so I can get Scratch wedges. Accidentally hit reply instead of edit. Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Kind of silly, I don't think many of the big club companies manufature in the US, and I didn't even know Callaway did until these articles saying they're moving appeared. So for everyone that now wants to bag on Cally for moving, I hope you all had Callys in your bag before, and I hope the rest of your gear is all Made In USA, and I hope you replace your Callys with Made in USA clubs. I bet its harder to do than you think, especially if you want both "Made in USA" and "Mainstream Golf Label". And PS: Anheuser Bush is owned by a foreign company too, so drown your sorrows elsewhere. Good Luck J, throw almost everything in your house away, because 98% of all goods in the US are made over seas. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGolfer Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 All sad but true. It is the way the world is today. We don't have to like it and it is great to have a choice in what we buy and use. As I wrote in anther forum, for me it is really a matter of being loyal to our PGA pro who owns my home course. He has been a Callaway dealer for nearly 20 years and it was for that reason I started playing their products years ago. I can't say anything really bad about them. Great clubs and really great customer service. But, my pro has decided to part ways with Callaway for several reasons which means he will no longer sell their stuff. I buy 100% of my golf stuff from him for 2 reasons. He is a close friend first and a small dealer second and needs the support of his members to stay alive. I also get much better deals from him trading up, than I could ever get at the big stores like Golfsmith...Edwin Watts etc. To stay loyal to him, I need to switch brands and he has a great relationship with Ping. I was ready for a change anyway so I'm happy to try something new. Driver: Titleist 915 D3 11.5* 42.50" 3 Wood: Titleist 915 F 15* 40.25" 5 Wood: Titleist 915 F 18* 39.50" 7 Wood: Titleist 915 F 21* 39.25" Hybrids: Titleist 913 H 24* 38.50" & 27* 37.50" Irons: Titleist DCI 990 6 thru 9 -0.5" Wedges: Titleist DCI 990 49* and Vokey SM 52.08 & 56.14 -0.5" Ball: Titleist 2015 Pro V1x Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron 2014 Select Newport w/SS 3.0 34.00" "Golf doesn't build character; it reveals it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Good Luck J, throw almost everything in your house away, because 98% of all goods in the US are made over seas. Apparently my posts aren't very clear. I know almost everything I own is made in another country and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. The problem I have is when a company gets rid of 1000+ American workers and moves their business to another country for cheaper labor. I understand that they may have to do that to "save" their company from going under, but understanding something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. The local Whirlpool plant just shut down here to move to Mexico and it cost 2300 people their jobs. I know that Whirlpool has other plants in the US that are staying open, but I will still never buy another Whirlpool product, because of how it hurt our community. I know that most of Pings stuff is built overseas and I don't care, I will still buy their products, but if they close their Phoenix plant and move it to Mexico (or any other country), I will never buy another Ping product. Does that make more sense? Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfBagCheck.com Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 An interesting side note is that a lot of people here in Augusta won't buy Ping products because of a controversy a few years ago when they shut down retailers for giving the military a 10% discount on PING products. http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2006/09/28/gol_98427.shtml PING did their best to correct the PR nightmare, but even 4 years later, people here are still bitter. It is just ironic that PING (and I believe they truly are) such a strong supporter of USA, but still have alienated a lot of customers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeLeftPGA Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Apparently my posts aren't very clear. I know almost everything I own is made in another country and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. The problem I have is when a company gets rid of 1000+ American workers and moves their business to another country for cheaper labor. I understand that they may have to do that to "save" their company from going under, but understanding something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. The local Whirlpool plant just shut down here to move to Mexico and it cost 2300 people their jobs. I know that Whirlpool has other plants in the US that are staying open, but I will still never buy another Whirlpool product, because of how it hurt our community. I know that most of Pings stuff is built overseas and I don't care, I will still buy their products, but if they close their Phoenix plant and move it to Mexico (or any other country), I will never buy another Ping product. Does that make more sense? So you would rather have a company fail and go bankrupt so you can pay $399 for a driver then move to Mexico so they can save some money that could help protect the cost of the product that you purchase? With China's prices going up, companies are going to have to find other ways to protect the cost of the clubs that you buy. I see them making this move to protect the consumer. They way that things are heading that driver is going to cost you $899 in five years. Change is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBones Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 So you would rather have a company fail and go bankrupt so you can pay $399 for a driver then move to Mexico so they can save some money that could help protect the cost of the product that you purchase? With China's prices going up, companies are going to have to find other ways to protect the cost of the clubs that you buy. I see them making this move to protect the consumer. They way that things are heading that driver is going to cost you $899 in five years. Change is needed. Apparently my posts aren't very clear. I know almost everything I own is made in another country and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. The problem I have is when a company gets rid of 1000+ American workers and moves their business to another country for cheaper labor. I understand that they may have to do that to "save" their company from going under, but understanding something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. The local Whirlpool plant just shut down here to move to Mexico and it cost 2300 people their jobs. I know that Whirlpool has other plants in the US that are staying open, but I will still never buy another Whirlpool product, because of how it hurt our community. I know that most of Pings stuff is built overseas and I don't care, I will still buy their products, but if they close their Phoenix plant and move it to Mexico (or any other country), I will never buy another Ping product. Does that make more sense? Follow @GolfspyBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 There lies the probelm, what it cost to make something in the states vs what the people of the US will pay. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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