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1 hour ago, HikingMike said:
Great points. Maybe this kind of thing should've been done a long time ago. We would be using less materials, equipment, and labor on golf courses. Costs would be a lot lower. Maybe more people would be golfing. But there's definitely a fun factor in hitting longer. If everybody in the game and standards bodies would have been considering this thoughtfully and continuously throughout the years, everyone would have to figure out where they want the balance.
Right now people have more concern about sustainability. Water shortages, droughts, restrictions happen a lot more often in western US states than before. People care about land usage more as humanity now uses way more land. The one good thing is that golf courses are "natural-ish" land. And inequality, at least in the US, is a lot higher than it was in the past - and this is where costs factor in. I know your question was probably rhetorical there, but I'm throwing out ideas.
You said courses are 1,000 yards longer. What is that in area? 1,000 yards by say 100 yards = 100,000 square yards = 20.7 acres. That's a lot! Thought experiment - imagine in urban areas, we could have a 20 acre park next to every golf course with the same area. Or a golf course that has a house development around it could have a ton more house lots on the same property, like 40 or something, which would mean serious $$$. Or a country club could potentially have a pool, tennis courts, all kinds of extra stuff in the same area it would with only a golf course at the longer course yardage. New golf courses could fit places that they can't currently. There are lots of ways to think about that.
My opinion is courses are already at the lengths they are and golf is still interesting. Not opposed to the USGA trying to freeze today’s distances. Just think going backwards will not bring them any popularity and right now with new leagues already taking key tour players there’s no need to further alienate younger golfers. Since let’s face it, newer golfer like my son and his HS golf team friends, look at LIV as the fun, cool tour and the PGA as the stuffy tour with too many rules. LIV has music playing, pros in shorts and pros interacting with spectators. PGA has golfer’s roped way back, only signing areas for little kids, no music and constant quiet signs. The game is different for these younger adults and teens than it was for myself or my father. And both of us are ok with that. I would personally just like to see the USGA and PGA as the important groups they were for upcoming adults of the future. These kids and young adults worship the distance these pros hit and have no reason to look at the USGA like I do. And recently I also have less faith in the USGA and their motives, save golf or save personal records? Certainly not saving historical golf courses since none are 6,000 yards anymore like in 1901. And if they’re claiming historical is their lifetime and not the USGA’s that’s personal then.
I would love to see the USGA try to freeze distances to preserve what’s current, since land is now at a premium. But stepping backwards will create a divide and based on tour surveys and general public the USGA will lose support. And there’s a new league waiting with open arms and deep pockets.- HikingMike, fixyurdivot and Franc38
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20 hours ago, HikingMike said:
The link to where I found it is right there in the comment. Here's a link back to that post.
I totally agree with most of that, great points. The bigger driver heads have had a huge impact. Everyone is swinging barn doors now. People could hit as far in the past, but the problem was inconsistency if you swung harder with the smaller head. When the inconsistency was removed, the risk was removed, and people had much less reason to not swing hard. It is less of a risk/reward situation. Driver shafts got longer then too. I know my driver was both shorter, and smaller head when I played in high school. It may have had similar weight though, I'm not sure. I just checked (with a measurement on satellite view of my old course!) and I'm actually not hitting too much longer now than I did then, at least on my best drives at the time because it varied quite a lot. The ball definitely isn't the sole factor. Like you said, there were balls that went much farther than the tour balatas. But the pros used the tour balatas for other reasons. The game has had a big change regarding distance due to many factors.
The PGA shows the average driving distance in 2000 was 273 yards, and in 2023 it's 297. So that's a little more of a change than your numbers, 24 yards instead of 11. If you go back to the early 90s, it's more like a 34-37 yard change.
I found data here: https://www.pga.com/story/how-driving-distance-has-changed-over-the-past-40-years-on-the-pga-tour
And I made this line graph so it was easier to digest.
My thing is - regardless of the reasons for the change, and regardless of how a very modest rollback is achieved... I would prefer the average way golf courses are being played to not change this much. And we know the game is in for more change in the future if something isn't adjusted.
Guess my biggest issue is why now, when Nicolas played everyone complained about how easy it was for them and how far they hit. But instead of changes rules, the outgoing crowd was interested in seeing where technology takes the game. The US Open in 1901 at Myopia Hunt Club was barely 6,000 yards, this year it was over 7,400 yards. Courses didn’t gain 1,400 yards overnight, it slowly happened over decades. My instructor in high school and college was Lighthouse Harry Cooper, he lived through many eras of golf and I stayed friends with him until he passed away in 2000. He always joked about how much easier and better equipment was from when he was on tour in the 1920’s and 30’s. Instead of being upset about it, he loved how it was making golf more accessible and with graphite shafts he was excited to be able to swing a club again. Thanks to its light weight and not bothering his arthritis or joints as much. He looked forward to what was next in golf, instead of criticizing that golf courses are a 1,000 yards longer and John Daly now hits 300 yards. He thought the change is what made golf special, it was a game that evolved with each new generation. Harry would constantly point out differences in courses he played as a pro and how very different they were in the late 1980’s, 1990’s to when he played them on tour in the 1920’s and 30’s. Golf hasn’t changed overnight, it’s evolved over lots of decades, the USGA needs to stop pretending golf started when they started playing and that was the only important time in golf.
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17 hours ago, HikingMike said:
Here is some robot testing done with modern clubs that put 1990s "tour level" balata balls vs. a modern urethane ball - https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/golf-ball-test-modern-balata-robot/
1. Amateur Driver Speed (92 mph)
Modern urethane ball: 232.4 yds at 2,768.8 RPMs
Tour-level balata ball: 210.2 yds at 3,346.8 RPMs
Difference: -22.2 yards | +578 RPMs | Ball speed decreased by 4.5 mph2. Tour Driver Mid (103 mph)
Tour-level balata ball: 265.8 yds at 3,343.8 RPMs
Modern urethane ball: 288.3 yds at 2,382.2 RPMs
Difference: -22.5 yards | +961.6 RPMs | -4.3 mph3. Tour Driver Mid-High (113 mph)
Modern urethane ball: 294.9 yds at 2,822.2 RPMs
Tour-level balata ball: 262.5 yds at 3,785.8 RPMs
Difference: -32.4 yards | +963.6 RPMs | -4.2 mph4. Tour Driver High (132 mph)
Modern urethane ball: 356.9 yds at 2,631 RPMs
Tour-level balata ball: 324 yds at 3,472 RPMs
Difference: -32.9 yards | +841 RPMs | -6 mph5. Tour 6-iron (91 mph)
Modern urethane ball: 197.3 yds at 5,687 RPMs
Tour-level balata ball: 186.5 yds at 6,458 RPMs
Difference: -10.8 yards | +771 RPMs | -3.6 mphKeep in mind, this is just the ball being isolated. The swing is by a robot and the club is the same. The change in the fitness of the golfer would add more on top of that (by average), not to mention the driver head size/forgiveness.
Where did you find this info? I played in the late 1990’s into the early 2000’s on the Nike/Buy.com tour. My driving average at that time was with a Titleist Professional at 291 yards and Tiger at that time was around 301. Player on tour have become more physically fit, stronger, plus technology with perfect fitting has drastically changed. Driving distance average on tour at that time from today isn’t drastically different, today it’s 296, then 285. Players like Bubba and Hank changed the game when larger driver came out around the year 2000 with having 320 yard driving averages. Over twenty years later and the longest hitter on tour still have a similar driving average. Drivers have changed, players physically have changed and this has made the difference between the shortest hitter on tour verse the longest grow further apart. And rolling back the golf ball will not help that. I think golf has become a more physically fit game today over back in the day when out of shape golfers were able to win. Golf has become like other sports all about training yourself physically. I played the tour balata as well as the professional, the tour balata in warm weather would be longer for myself. The tour balata cover was just too soft for myself with a full wedge or short iron. Players did not focus on distance until larger driver heads and graphite shafts were put into play. Otherwise you could have just played a harder covered golf ball, hell precept or Wilson golf balls back then went much further for myself, just preferred the distance consistency of a Titleist at the time.
Big distance change came from the use of titanium in drivers, larger head, larger sweat spot, you can swing harder, miss a little and still drive further. And this is what started players training to become stronger since swinging harder no longer had as severe of a penalty. Golf swings used to be about timing and hitting the sweet spot on a club, now the sweet spot is the size of a softball instead of a golf ball. Which encouraged players to swing harder, the golf ball didn’t encourage this.
- Franc38, storm319, HikingMike and 2 others
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I played on the Nike tour/Buy.com tour back twenty something years ago. And today as a reinstated amateur who hits the ball less distance than then and has played and watched the sport over the years. I personally think rolling back the golf ball isn’t the right move. Yes they can roll back a few yards for the tour pros, they are good enough players where they can adapt to clubs that are an inch longer and still within regulation. They can train themselves like Bryson did to swing a little harder to make up the difference. What they can’t do is magically become more accurate while gaining distance.
I think golf courses unfortunately need to adjust to today’s stronger faster swinging tour players. This doesn’t mean adding distance to the courses. Since they’ve already added some 400-600 yards to courses over the last 30-40 years. The courses need to give the players more risk at over 300 yards off the tee to level the playing field. Whether the fairway become extremely narrow with bunkers, waste traps, longer rough, tree placement, bushes, brush, etc, something to make the players play with more strategy over just hitting long. Until that happens there are too many work around for the golf ball to magically solve the USGA’s perceived issue. Personally I find the long hitters on tour fascinating and it’s a reason myself and son are willing to watch tour players in person. Not sure if tour players were forced too far back the game may become too mundane to bother watching in person for younger golfers. Young golfers all seem obsessed with how far tour players hit the ball. And with up and coming tours like LIV who I doubt will bother enforcing this rule might make historic tours obsolete. USGA really needs to listen to its audience and youth and not worry about what they personally don’t like seeing because it’s different then what they grew up with. I understand a bunch of old legends would like to protect their records. Unfortunately for them now a days younger adults like to be entertained, showmanship over just watching a golfer play well. It’s very easy to see by who has the biggest crowds following and who has more social media followers.
This will affect golf business as well, what if Titleist as they’ve already become vocal about the roll back, decides to pulls their funding from USGA and even the PGA if the PGA decides to accept this rule and gives their funding to LIV? That’s just one major funding for these groups what if others follow suit? And I wouldn’t blame Titleist since this will definitely hurt their sales, why buy Titleist over another brand if every ball needs to be essentially the same in the general public’s eyes? Will this hurt the golf ball industry, yes, whether in sales or whether in additional production costs of a new rolled back golf ball and keeping their old ball. Will this mean less testing and research to develop better future golf balls? Will golf ball manufacturers now focus on more accuracy over distance? Will club manufacturers now focus on gaining distance through shafts since they’re less regulated? Will they come up with a better driver material to make drives longer while still adhering to cor rules?
Unfortunately the USGA can’t stop progress and rolling it back isn’t the answer. Maybe slowing it down to allow the courses to catch up is but rolling back I think is a bad move. This leaves too many doors open for change when the PGA tour is already losing great players to LIV and who knows maybe sponsors in the future as well. -
Love my ZX7’s, for such a thin top line they really are pretty easy to hit, enjoy. Mine 4-PW are matched with Vokey wedges and a PXG older driving 3 iron with a graphite design addi shaft.
- Ian Gunn, Inferno2ss and M. Parsons
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12 hours ago, MFSOT said:
Ya, that was my gut, it’ll be interesting to get the results from the CC fitting. Thanks for all your input, I’ll post results end of May when I get the fitting.
Still on the fence about going and trying these T200s on the course, or just returning them. If I try them I essentially own them, I can exchange them for anything I want within 90 days (same value or pay the difference), so my thought process is if they’re way off, take the CC fitting results and have them order that. I guess I’m at the point where I’m not sure I want them to have my $ if the fitting was that off.
Yeah that’s a tough one, since you don’t know if you’ll get fitted for a shaft Titleist carries normally or if you need tip stiff? CC carries everything which is good and bad, most manufacturers don’t offer everything to the general public. My shafts were not available through Srixon, my old shafts were through PXG so I could order straight. CC charges more since you buy the heads separate from the shaft and pay retail fir each but they do pure the shaft which is nice and manufacturers don’t do that for non pros. CC can also be more precise in upright, manufacturers only do 1 degree changes, CC did .5 degree change since that’s what I needed. They also can match swing weights to your liking with ordering the heads separately, I know I like D4,D5. All things manufacturers don’t offer to non pros. The only downside, which is big, is I paid 2k for a set that is 1,200 with stock options from the manufacturer or big box store.
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2 minutes ago, MFSOT said:
The 200 was with a major Game Improvement Distance irons: https://www.cobragolf.com/speedzone-irons was one of the ones I was just hitting crazy long. With a players iron (Titleist T200) my 7i was 170-180, if it were a blade like DJ hits it would probably be more like 160ish, my current players iron (Titleist 704CB) my 7i is about 170 on avg carry with TT DG S300s. The tech they put in these game improvement irons to get people more distance is crazy, but you get zero feel and have a massive club so you can’t miss the sweet spot.
Your numbers are about like mine I’m 290-300 avg off tee, if I were to play a 450 yard hole, assuming all things equal no wind straight hole, hit the fairway, I’d go D, have 140-160 left and go P(140)/9(150/8(160)
I certainly don’t have a swing speed near DJ or Bryson.
With similar numbers to mine you’d be on the border of stiff to X, luckily KBS makes a bunch of shafts in S+. And Project X comes in 6.5 or you can tip stiff a regular S shaft. I used to play S400 for years, the slightly stiffer/heavier version of the S300. I’m getting older so I now like 120-125 grams better then 130-135. But dropping from a 125 gram slightly stout shaft to 95 gram slightly weak stiff shaft if your swinging that fast doesn’t sound right.
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If you’re new to golf, I’d recommend starting with adding a 5 wood and seeing how that works for you. Then if you hit it well, might want to try a 3 or 7 wood, if it’s just ok, then try a hybrid iron. But based on hitting your long iron poorly I’d try the 5 wood first. Not sure brand as a beginner will make a huge difference just choose a higher launching or more forgiving model by whichever brand you like better. You can go by the reviews or try hitting yourself but I presume you’re not consistent yet so hitting them may not give you an answer but more of which one you hit better that day at that time.
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1 hour ago, MFSOT said:
That was carry, it’s been a month or so now so my memory is a bit fuzzy, I’d say the majority were right in that range. I play my 20 year old 704CBs 7i 165-170, 6 175-180, so presumably the tech in the T200s gave me that bump. I’m generally a fairly long hitter, which coming back to my original question, it seemed odd to get such a light shaft. Unfortunately I don’t have the data, so I’m just throwing out guesses now. CC will give me all the data I need and I’ll feel comfortable after that fitting.
I’m not expecting magic from a fitter, but I do think it’s reasonable to expect my 7i to stay in the 165-175 range coming from 20 yr old irons, if not go up a bit, which is fine, I guess my larger point was the fitter was freaking out about the GIs 7i going 200+ sometimes 210 and I thought that was insane, where’s that leave my PW/GW and my gaps? I mean I suppose I could just take the other woods out of my bag except D at that point and have a bunch of wedges ha.. Really though I’m a feel player, I can’t feel the ball on the face of the GIs, I hate the toplines, and I hit them worse, so it was just a non starter for me.I’ll definitely reference the trackman stats, thank you, I wasn’t aware of that.
Just so you’re aware, Bryson and DJ 7 iron carry average is just under 200 yards, total is right around 200. That would mean your swing speed with a 7 iron is 100mph plus and you should be in a tip stiff X stiff shaft. If 200 yards was overall because it was 7 iron with a 5 iron loft so you got 20 yards of roll, from under 5,000 revs and/or a decent angle of 42-45 I’d understand. But no way can you swing a light weight stiff shaft and hit a 7 iron 200 yards that’s more carry then most of the longest players on tour. The average tour player carries 173 yards with a mid 90’s club head speed and an X shaft. So either the numbers are off or that was a very bad fitting. I average 290 yards with my driver, play back tees, a 450 yard par 4 for myself is a driver, 8 or 9 iron, playing a 450 yard par 4, are you usually near the 150 yard marker or past it? If you can hit your 7 iron that far it would equate to a long drive, 320-340 yards, like a DJ or Bryson, which would mean driver wedge on a hole I’d be hitting driver, 8 or 9 iron. And I play S+ or X shafts.
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29 minutes ago, MFSOT said:
I’m definitely a data junky, and I’m mad at myself for not asking more, but was just concentrating on hitting. I will definitely ask more questions. As to the Dispersion, the T200s had the tightest dispersion by far, tight dispersion with a little fade, about 170-180 which is right where I want my 7i, in the end he agreed with me, but it took me pushing him that direction. He kept coming back to the distance of the GIs and saying I’d figure out how to get them under control when I got used to them. The GIs, I was all over the place with, I know that seems odd, but I hated the feel, I was left, right, straight, it was a mess.
I’m more of a smooth swinger with irons, yes.That’s pretty good distance from a 7 iron, was that carry or overall? I carry my 6 iron, 181 yards with 91mph swing speed, tour average for a 6 iron is 185 range with 93-94 mph swing speed. My 7 iron carry is 172 with a 90-91 mph swing speed. And I use S+ or X shafts in most of my clubs. I know the loft is stronger on your 7 iron verse my 7 iron since I play ZX7’s and the t200’s are 2 degrees stronger but still I would presume your swing speed would be near 90 mph if that’s carry distance and not overall. If it’s overall, doesn’t mean much, their could be a lot of roll involved with low spin numbers or low landing angle, too many variables. Trackman posts it’s pga tour stats if you want a reference for number before you go in for a fitting. Just don’t expect a fitter to magically make a club that gives you those numbers.
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On 4/25/2021 at 7:58 PM, MadMex said:
I did, but went to a different fitter than the one who fitted me with my G-25's. My spidy sense told me something was not right,,, am ready now,, lot's and lots of questions !!!
I personally check out reviews of local fitters, I’ve alway had a good experience with Club Champion. Some local stores have “trained” employees that are “fitters” but being a previous D1 golfer then Nike/Buy.com tour player for a short bit I quickly realize how unknowledgeable many of these people are. Many of them don’t even know proper spin numbers or peak heights or decent angles, let alone how to read a hit plate or watch to see if the person hits the ball fairly solid or if they need another sticker and hit again. Anyone that can’t answer simple spec questions should not be fitting customers. I’d definitely look at reviews of local fitters.
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20 hours ago, MFSOT said:
I was fitted for T200s recently, just picked them up and was a little confused to see TT XP95’s S flex on them. During the same fitting I was fitted for a Epic Max LS with Mitsubishi MMT 60 S. The fitter did say that my driver swing speed was way faster compared to my irons from what he normally sees with my driver speed 105+. Curious thoughts on this combo, and if anyone else has a similar set up. I’m a big guy 6’5 240lbs, I’m not sure if I’m just in my head about lighter shafts, I certainly don’t care if I hit them good.
Admittedly this was my first fitting in 20 years, I wasn’t getting the data from the fitter, he just kept handing me different lengths/shafts. So I’m assuming this is what we ended up with for my fitting. Hindsight I know I should have been asking which shaft, etc.. but that ship has sailed, just wondering if this sounds on the up and up to those that know gear.
This was at a retailer, they’re local so I want to know if I can trust them going forward, as I’d probably stop into them first due to proximity.
I have a fitting set up with Club Champion to get a second opinion and feel better about knowing I was fit properly.I’m also 6’4” but 185lbs. I don’t think the shaft necessarily is wrong just because of your driver shaft. Some people swing lighter weight shafts better and others heavier. If you feel unsure I’d definitely get a second opinion, hopefully they put you in a 1/2” long shaft and had you hit on a strike plate or sticker to see if you’re also upright. I’m typically with most brands, but brands do vary, my norm is 1 degree upright and 1/2” longer shafts with midsize grips for my larger hands. I personally prefer d4 to d5 weight combo for my 4 iron to wedges, with a minimum of a 120 grams shaft, current are KBS tour V tour spec S+, 125 grams. But my swing speed for 6 iron was 91 mph average, driver is usually 110 or just over. I’ve always had a good experience with club Champion employees knowing how to fit. Just don’t go in expecting a miracle, I usually look for the shaft/head combo with the best dispersion and then look at distance from there. For myself I like to see a spin rate of 5,900-6,300, peak height around 90-105 feet and a decent angle around 49%, Club Champion uses a 6 iron to fit, good luck.
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Shafts are personal, I love my Graphite Design shafts, in my driver, 3 wood and driving iron, I play KBS Tour V Tour spec S+ in my other irons. GD have a very nice feel to them, although they all have different profiles and that’s where a place like Club Champion can tell you which is best for your swing. With every Fujikura I tried I always hit the ball with a little tail, giving me a worse dispersion, higher spin numbers, but my brother loves his Ventus shaft. I’d wait to see what fits your swing.
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Funny, the importance of fitting, was ready to buy the p770’s or mp20 based on reviews. Club Champion fitted me, both those irons were a miss for me, p770 had a big dispersion, the mp20’s had the worst carry distance and too high a spin rate. Tried the Cobra, T100, ZX7, jpx forged and tour, Pxg 0311t and ping. First club the fitter choose for me the ZX7 was still the best dispersion and second longest with great spin numbers. I had no thought of even trying Srixon and was looking for a distance style players iron, which some how the ZX7 is just a players iron but went second furtherest after the p770. The p770 was averaging 1.4 yards more distance but was flying very high no matter which shaft I used and had a lower spin rate, 4,800-5,000 with a higher dispersion. The Mizuno’s all were the shortest irons I hit with a very high spin rate, 6 iron with 7,200-7,700 spin rate. While the ZX7 was 9-12 yards further then the Mixuno irons with a more normal 6,000-6,200 spin rate with my 6 iron. I guess the importance of fitting every well rated club doesn’t fit everyone the same.
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13 hours ago, Another Steve said:
PKC - If you don't mind telling us .... How much $$$$ do you have in that fitting and the new driver?
Around $700, if I break out a portion of the fitting for driver, did a driver plus iron fitting. Plus an upgrade shaft, my choice out of the three recommended shafts. One had no upgrade charge but had worse dispersion over the one I chose, probably a $150 savings though. I also bought a 3 wood, same shaft 10 grams heavier, irons and wedges. Only thing I kept was my putter, old Scotty Cameron I still love. Club Champion gave me the recommendations did not force or pressure me to buy from them direct over manufacturer or another store, got an email and print out with all my info. Both the shaft and clubs I bought and secondary options. Club Champion was cheaper on the upgrade shaft then buying direct from the manufacturer, thanks to them buying the head and shaft separately. With the irons they were slightly more expensive, turns out my shaft was not an upgrade fee with manufacturer and was $11 more a club with Club Champion. Although I need midsize grips and the manufacturer charged extra for those while club champion it was standard, grip upcharge with manufacturer was $9, so in the end only a $2 per club difference and $50 driver shaft savings(figure$75 of the fitting gets added back for the driver), then add back the total fitting fee $300, driver plus iron fitting or 3 hours time. Wound up doing irons, wedges, driver, 3 wood in 3 hours.
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I recently got back into golf after having kids, finally school aged and some time again. My last driver was Callaway X2 Hot Pro, which was from 2014. Decided to book a fitting at Club Champion, booking process disaster, fitting experience great. My club head speed was 105-108 on my old driver, new drivers I was 107-110, this swing speed 2mph increase was mostly from the new drivers having longer shafts. Ball speeds also increased, 140’s to over 150, almost 10 mph difference. Launch angle went down, my old driver averaged 12.9 even though it was an 8.5 degree driver. New driver averaged 11.2 with 9.5 degree loft. Old driver I had a spin rate average of 3,800, new driver 2,300. I will say the spin rate and launch angle did vary even with the same new head depending on the shaft I was using. Final shaft was a graphite design shaft, which gave me the most consistent numbers over the longest drives. The old driver, carry average was 253, new driver carry average 271, overall old 268, new 292. Picking up 24 yards, I will say my old Callaway driver was not an oversized head and the new low back weight with fitted shaft over off the rack recalling made a difference for me. Although the stock shaft on the new driver only made a 14 yard difference, so fitting was key for myself. The new driver has drastically lowered my dispersion, definitely much more forgiving for my near toe hits or low on the face hits I occasionally have over my old driver. The old driver had one out 12 hits over 290 yards, 294 total but also had two under 250 yards total, shortest 244, so a huge dispersion. The new driver had my shortest total at 276 and longest at 301, almost 20 yards better dispersion yard better dispersion in distance. Left to right the new driver had only a 2 yard better dispersion over my old driver. I’d recommend getting fitted.
- cnosil, NRJyzr and Shapotomous
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2 hours ago, Lacassem said:
Welcome back! What clubs were you looking at?
Newburyport is a beautiful area
Looking at new drivers, not sure which I’ll try yet, just starting the search, any recommendations?
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On 6/14/2020 at 11:32 AM, DPattGolf said:
So I currently play nearly a complete Titleist bag. The only current exception is my Evnroll ER2 Putter. With that said, let me make a few remarks for the sake of full disclosures.
1) I currently am employed as an assistant golf professional and the facility has made the decision to partner with Titleist to be a Titleist Facility. This extends to the point where all equipment in the shops are Titleist with the exception of some lower priced putters and pinnacle golf balls. All adult rental sets are also Titleist except for the putter.
2) Even though I work at a facility partnered with Titleist, I do not have a staff deal with any club manufacturer and I have full control over what goes into my golf bag. In lieu of a staff deal my, my employer offers to purchase a certain dollar amount of current cycle Titleist product in line with each product cycle (ie. Last year I had access to TS Woods and this year was irons). The "catch" is that any product they purchase for me is technically considered facility rental stock and just checked out to me. This means that I can still order to the specs I desire but I don't get to necessarily keep the club(s) if I move on to a different golf course. Also this means only stock looks, no custom stamping or 3rd party finishes.
3) I have always had the right to bag whatever piece of equipment I want to. If it is a none Titleist product I will just have to do it without that financial backing from my employer. If it is a Titleist product that I wish to have custom stamped, refinished away from the stock look, or if my employer have already paid the allotted dollar amount for that year, I am responsible for the purchase of that club. They same in theory goes for if I leave the facility and take another job.
With all of that being said, I am entirely confident that I am playing the correct and best possible equipment for my game from 3 wood all the way down to putter. My driver if the only club in my bag where I think there is a possibility for some improvement. Just because I say that does not mean it would be very easily displaced. Over the past year with the club I have been consistently longer than any driver I have previously hit and have uncorked multiple new career longest drives (Current longest drive is 385 yards).
I feel the same way, my driver is the one spot I might swap. My PXG driver is very accurate but averages 10-15 yards less then my Callaway. Which on some course I could use the length since I’m in my 40’s now and my driving average has dropped to 275-280, with the occasional 300 yard drive. While with the Callaway I can have many more 290 drives or even 300 plus yard drives but I hit many less fairways. Always searching for the perfect weapon. For me it’s my Scotty Cameron Teryllium.
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My whole bag currently is PXG minus my Scotty Cameron Copper Teryllium Putter I’ll probably never change. But my driver will occasionally change to a Callaway Epic Sub, the PXG is more accurate but the Callaway goes a little further.
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How long have you been playing golf? What’s your handicap or normal score?
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What do you love about golf? I’ve been addicted to golf since 8th grade, love that you can compete with others or just yourself and the course. Really fell in love with competing while playing D1 golf.
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What brings you to MyGolfSpy? Do you already know any other Spies? Was brought back onto MyGolfSpy to look at new clubs, what brought me to it last time as well.
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Where are you from? What is your home course? Grew up just north of NYC, my teaching pro was Lighthouse Harry Cooper. Now I live in Newburyport, Ma. My home course is a private top 100 which I love playing.
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What are the best and worst things about golf in your region? Love spring and fall golf with the cooler temps, hate the snow in the winter.
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What do you do for a living? Partially retired at 40, now Invest
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How’d you pick your user name? My name
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Sorry the modus had a 7 yard better dispersion over the kbs tour after 10 swings with each.
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I'm a bit confused, got fitted by a local oem rep recently, they suggest I use Nippon modus 120 in x flex. I've always used dg s400 and more recently as I turn 40 have switched to kbs tour in stiff. My swing speed is a little over 90 with kbs a 7 iron and flying about 170 yards, with 7,100-7,200 rev spin, dec angle 49-50 and 105-110 ft max height. With the modus x, my swing speed is about the same maybe 91 instead of 90, flying 170 yards, 6,700-6,800 rev, dec angle 46-47 and 90-96 feet of height. Which would you fit me for and is the modus really a half flex softer than kbs tour? Thanks ahead of time, Peter.
Planned 2030 Golf Ball Rollback
in Breaking News and Debate
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All lower lofts do, is allow golfers to state I hit a 9 iron instead of a 8 or 7 iron. Lofts are still lofts whether the club states 7 iron or 9 iron it really shouldn’t matter. It just fools some people into thinking everyone is hitting their irons further and now no one uses a 3 iron since it would be like hitting a 1 or 2 iron. And now many golfers have an extra wedge instead. Stupid marketing trick by club manufacturers.