Sluggo42 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 So I played at my new favorite track again yesterday, Tierra rajada. From the blues it's about 6500. For the second straight time, it kicked my behind. What's happening is that I seem to never have an even lie. It's always uphill, down hill, or side hill. It's somewhat skinny, but the actual areas that are actually flat to hit from are scarce! So, while I'm getting hammered on the scorecard, I think I'm gaining some valuable experience in how to execute tough lies. Perhaps a few more rounds and I'll figure out where the flat spots are... TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerjames Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Ya I hear you Sluggo! It is very hard to find an even lie at that course. But it's a great track. MY BAG- Driver- Taylormade SLDR 12* (Speeder 7.2vc tour spec S) 3 Wood- Taylormade R11(bimatrix prototype S) 3 Hybrid- Ping I20(stock S) Irons-Taylormade Tour Perferred MC ( C Taper S) Wedges- 50, 54, and 58 SCOR4161( KBS) Putter-Taylormade Ghost Corza. All Left Handed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Trump National is like that as well. Hopefully more practice ranges will do what Jack Thomsen does in Wisconsin ... http://golfrange.org/jack-thomsen-utilize-circular-mats-and-variable-lies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerjames Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I have heard that about Trump! I like the idea of those mats. MY BAG- Driver- Taylormade SLDR 12* (Speeder 7.2vc tour spec S) 3 Wood- Taylormade R11(bimatrix prototype S) 3 Hybrid- Ping I20(stock S) Irons-Taylormade Tour Perferred MC ( C Taper S) Wedges- 50, 54, and 58 SCOR4161( KBS) Putter-Taylormade Ghost Corza. All Left Handed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMRT Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I just played Pevely Farms, near St. Louis, and when I asked the guy in the pro shop if it was considered a tough course, his response with a chuckle was, "Tough, it's only tough if you only practice hitting off of a flat surface." He was not kidding, some fairways were so sloped that if would have been dryer I am not sure the ball would ever stop rolling. I hope as well as you that the nasty score leads to good experience for next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 My home course is similar. Rarely a flat lie. My problem is on side hill lies regardless of above or below my feet, I always manage to hit a draw or a hook. #5 Sunday is a prime example. Dogleg right and I can reach the corner easily. Usually you can hit it to the corner and into the bank and it kicks right down the fairway. My drive stayed up on the bank. Ball below my feet by a good foot or so. So I line up 15 yards left of the green expecting it to go right. I was hitting a hard 5 iron because I wanted it to carry on the front edge and land soft from the fade I should hit from that lie. Hit it on line exactly and drew it 15 yards. Ended up on the adjacent tee box and had a pitch down to the green some 30 feet below(not OB). Pisses me off. Every time I line up to play that shot, especially on that hole, it rarely fades like it should. I stay balanced and make good contact and what I feel is a good swing. Evidently I subconsciously turn my hands over a little premature. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 The side hill-uphill is my favorite. Just pretty well lucky to get the face on the ball period. Anything past that is purely coincidental TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Played a course like that a couple weeks ago. Overshot a dogleg left and ended up in the rough with ball way above my feet. Hit 9i left into bunker. Played again same day from back tees this time, but still put it there. Aimed right with PW this time. Hit it dead straight into an arroyo under a ponderosa way below the green. Pulled off a great shot from there off the pine straw though. Had to keep it fairly low to clear the branches but still get it high enough to get on the green. Hit it past the pin but managed to have enough spin to stop it and roll back close to the hole with the help of a little slope in the green. I know what I did to end up down there at least. I aimed right AND opened the face some. One or the other would have been fine, but not both. I tend to get myself in more trouble from those lies. Makes the score add up quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kygolfer1980 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I remember a couple years ago the Golf Channel had a show for the next big golf invention. A little clip to put on the club so the grip doesn't get wet won I think. The idea I thought was the coolest was an uneven lie mat. It was on a platform and you could spin it in an direction to practice literally an lie. Great idea but it didn't win for some reason. I'm guessing they were worried about production cost and marketability to the general public. Driver: Titleist 915 D2 9.5 with Diamana Whiteboard S flex 3 wood: Titleist 915F 15*, Whiteboard S Flex Titleist 915H 18* and 24* with Whiteboard SFlex Irons: Mizuno JPX EZ Forged 4-PW with S300's Wedges: Mizuno MP T4 50*, 56* with DG Spinner Putter:MannKrafted Long Slope or Odyssey #7 Versa Metal milled or Betti Tour Stock; Ball: Bridgestone B330 or Titleist NXT Bag: Titleist 'Murica colored carry bag or MyGolfSpy Tour Bag RH, Western KY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 They sold those podiums in the local PGA TSS. Forgot their name. But they sold so few that 2 of them made their way into their wedge area for people to hit on. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I used to relish uneven lies - grew up in Connecticut where they were the norm - now I stink at them - not the norm in Florida, at least not in my part of Florida, water, sand, trees, rough, wind but very few of those uneven lies. I especially hate down hill lies to uphill greens. Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I remember a couple years ago the Golf Channel had a show for the next big golf invention. A little clip to put on the club so the grip doesn't get wet won I think. The idea I thought was the coolest was an uneven lie mat. It was on a platform and you could spin it in an direction to practice literally an lie. Great idea but it didn't win for some reason. I'm guessing they were worried about production cost and marketability to the general public.I remember that also I thought it was a great idea. I did check into it and if I remember correctly it was pretty costly. I also agree on the marketability. The general public at least around here seems to go for the "gimmicky" things like the grip clip thing and those funky pouch club cleaning towels than really good training aids that could improve their game. But unlike the people on here most people I see improve their lies sometimes drastically but its their game what ever floats their boat. Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 My home course is similar. Rarely a flat lie. My problem is on side hill lies regardless of above or below my feet, I always manage to hit a draw or a hook. #5 Sunday is a prime example. Dogleg right and I can reach the corner easily. Usually you can hit it to the corner and into the bank and it kicks right down the fairway. My drive stayed up on the bank. Ball below my feet by a good foot or so. So I line up 15 yards left of the green expecting it to go right. I was hitting a hard 5 iron because I wanted it to carry on the front edge and land soft from the fade I should hit from that lie. Hit it on line exactly and drew it 15 yards. Ended up on the adjacent tee box and had a pitch down to the green some 30 feet below(not OB). Pisses me off. Every time I line up to play that shot, especially on that hole, it rarely fades like it should. I stay balanced and make good contact and what I feel is a good swing. Evidently I subconsciously turn my hands over a little premature.Turning the hands over too quick is probably a good assumption. That comes under the heading of Ask me how I know. I am guilty of that myself especially with a mid or long iron. Up until a few years ago when I got older I fought a violent snap hook from all type of lies due to fast hands and a premature turning over Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Usually you can go to the far side of the range to work on uneven lies - alternate practicing on one side or the other each session and hit a few from the side. Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyk Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 We have a few courses like that, I don't mind side hill lies so much, I don't always judge it quite right, but I usually hit a decent shot from them. I stuggle more with uphill and downhill lies. Can't ever really seem to get good contact with those, thin or fat usually, and seems to me the should be easier, I know the whole idea of paralleling my shoulders to the slope, I just seem to not execute that well! Ping I20 8.5* - Aldila NV 65g SAdams XTD Super Hybrid 15* - Stock Fubuki SAdams DHY 21* - Stock Matrix Ozik White Tie SMizuno MP58 4-8 Irons - Fujikura MCI 100 SSCOR 42,46,50,54,58* - SCOR/KBS Genius SSTX Robert Ingman Envision TR 35", Iomic grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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