AlejandroM Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Hi everyone, I wanted to ask what are the implications of taking the back weight of the Ping 425 max off? I did it because I like to swing lighter clubs and since it weights 26gr it trully felt much more lighter when I took it off but I wonder if its going to affect power, or control or accuracy. Could you be so kind as to give me your opinion on this? I have tested the driver with and without the weight and it seems like it hasn´t affected accuracy but I wanted to ask if someone has taken it off also and what have been the results thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Check this video out : cnosil 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlejandroM Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Micah T said: Check this video out : thanks!!! Micah T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankdog Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 So I had the screw holding the weight on my G425 Max break this past summer in the middle of a round. I couldn’t hit that driver without the weight attached to save my life. Brian A 1 Quote G425 Max driver BRNR 2.0 mini driver G425 SFT 3 wood G425 3 and 5 hybrid B21 irons 6-PW CBX Zipcore 48 and CBX2 52/58 Wedges 2 ball Ten Tour lined Tour BX ball Arccos Caddie with Apple Watch Hyperflex shoes Chiller Hybrid Stand Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlejandroM Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Shankdog said: So I had the screw holding the weight on my G425 Max break this past summer in the middle of a round. I couldn’t hit that driver without the weight attached to save my life. Sorry didn`t quite get that. The screw broke and you found it hard to hit without the weight on? Edited December 6, 2022 by AlejandroM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankdog Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Yes. Quote G425 Max driver BRNR 2.0 mini driver G425 SFT 3 wood G425 3 and 5 hybrid B21 irons 6-PW CBX Zipcore 48 and CBX2 52/58 Wedges 2 ball Ten Tour lined Tour BX ball Arccos Caddie with Apple Watch Hyperflex shoes Chiller Hybrid Stand Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 The weight is designed to serve 2 purposes- 1. by sliding the weight towards or away from the shaft you influence a draw or a cut bias. If the weight is removed it will change this adjustment unless you are presently playing the club with the weight centered 2 The weight moves mass back in the head. Typically this will add spin - Weight forward toward the face will reduce spin. By removing the weight you may find the spin increases and the ball flight changes ( typically higher launch). Depending on the club head speed this could have a positive or negative impact on the overall distance. The conventional wisdom today favors lower spin off the driver to increase distance and this holds strongly true for higher swing speeds. Not so much the case at lower speeds, the increased launch "MAY" lead to greater carry and therefore distance. The best idea may be to go to a fitter or a range with a good launch monitor and check your spin and distance numbers with and without the weight in. Lastly, a fitter may recommend you leave the head design alone and reduce the weight with a lighter shaft or possibly a simple counterbalance in the grip end of the club. This is a simple way to add weight in the butt end and reduce the swing weight in the head- https://www.tourlockgolf.com/counterweight-installation/fitting-and-tips Again, the only way to tell if you are gaining any benefit is to check the numbers/results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I tried this very thing with my 425 Max sometime this past year. When I caught one flush, I was hitting it 15 yards farther on the course. Unfortunately, I couldn’t control it. The misses were huge. As in out of bounds, deep in the woods huge. That doesn’t mean it won’t work for you. Try it and see. Quote 14 of the following: Taylormade Qi10 Max Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Titleist TSR1 hybrid 26 degrees Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Ping G430 irons 6-50 degree Sub 70 286 wedges 52 and 56 degrees Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, John S said: 2 The weight moves mass back in the head. Typically this will add spin - Weight forward toward the face will reduce spin. By removing the weight you may find the spin increases and the ball flight changes ( typically higher launch). Depending on the club head speed this could have a positive or negative impact on the overall distance. The conventional wisdom today favors lower spin off the driver to increase distance and this holds strongly true for higher swing speeds. Not so much the case at lower speeds, the increased launch "MAY" lead to greater carry and therefore distance. The best idea may be to go to a fitter or a range with a good launch monitor and check your spin and distance numbers with and without the weight in. Removing the weight is going to shift the CG forward closer to the face which should reduce spin and launch angle not increase it. The first sentence you wrote about the weight moving mass backwards is correct so removing it would shift the CG forward. As for the OP, you are definitely going to lose some forgiveness as the MOI of the head will be substantially lower without that weight back there. The biggest change however is going to be in the swingweight of the club as you have probably noticed. General rule of thumb is that 2g equals one swingweight point but I'm not sure that the rule of thumb holds true when talking about a club at driver length and when the amount of weight in play is that massive. Regardless, you're talking about a huge reduction in swingweight which is going to make the head harder to control for a lot of people. You're also removing enough weight from the head that the shaft is probably going to play much stiffer than it did before. Overall, I think removing the weight entirely is probably a bad idea. If you really want that lighter feeling head you're probably better off calling Ping and buying a lighter weight or looking at the aftermarket options combined with some type of counter balancing in the shaft. You should be able to find a happy medium between what must be a crazy low swing weight right now ( C0 ? ) and the stock setting. WiTerp50 and rlb4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: Removing the weight is going to shift the CG forward closer to the face which should reduce spin and launch angle not increase it. The first sentence you wrote about the weight moving mass backwards is correct so removing it would shift the CG forward. As for the OP, you are definitely going to lose some forgiveness as the MOI of the head will be substantially lower without that weight back there. The biggest change however is going to be in the swingweight of the club as you have probably noticed. General rule of thumb is that 2g equals one swingweight point but I'm not sure that the rule of thumb holds true when talking about a club at driver length and when the amount of weight in play is that massive. Regardless, you're talking about a huge reduction in swingweight which is going to make the head harder to control for a lot of people. You're also removing enough weight from the head that the shaft is probably going to play much stiffer than it did before. Overall, I think removing the weight entirely is probably a bad idea. If you really want that lighter feeling head you're probably better off calling Ping and buying a lighter weight or looking at the aftermarket options combined with some type of counter balancing in the shaft. You should be able to find a happy medium between what must be a crazy low swing weight right now ( C0 ? ) and the stock setting. 19 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: Removing the weight is going to shift the CG forward closer to the face which should reduce spin and launch angle not increase it. The first sentence you wrote about the weight moving mass backwards is correct so removing it would shift the CG forward. As for the OP, you are definitely going to lose some forgiveness as the MOI of the head will be substantially lower without that weight back there. The biggest change however is going to be in the swingweight of the club as you have probably noticed. General rule of thumb is that 2g equals one swingweight point but I'm not sure that the rule of thumb holds true when talking about a club at driver length and when the amount of weight in play is that massive. Regardless, you're talking about a huge reduction in swingweight which is going to make the head harder to control for a lot of people. You're also removing enough weight from the head that the shaft is probably going to play much stiffer than it did before. Overall, I think removing the weight entirely is probably a bad idea. If you really want that lighter feeling head you're probably better off calling Ping and buying a lighter weight or looking at the aftermarket options combined with some type of counter balancing in the shaft. You should be able to find a happy medium between what must be a crazy low swing weight right now ( C0 ? ) and the stock setting. I agree with the correction that removing the weight will move the CG forward- I agree with the correction to my earlier comment. 19 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: Removing the weight is going to shift the CG forward closer to the face which should reduce spin and launch angle not increase it. The first sentence you wrote about the weight moving mass backwards is correct so removing it would shift the CG forward. As for the OP, you are definitely going to lose some forgiveness as the MOI of the head will be substantially lower without that weight back there. The biggest change however is going to be in the swingweight of the club as you have probably noticed. General rule of thumb is that 2g equals one swingweight point but I'm not sure that the rule of thumb holds true when talking about a club at driver length and when the amount of weight in play is that massive. Regardless, you're talking about a huge reduction in swingweight which is going to make the head harder to control for a lot of people. You're also removing enough weight from the head that the shaft is probably going to play much stiffer than it did before. Overall, I think removing the weight entirely is probably a bad idea. If you really want that lighter feeling head you're probably better off calling Ping and buying a lighter weight or looking at the aftermarket options combined with some type of counter balancing in the shaft. You should be able to find a happy medium between what must be a crazy low swing weight right now ( C0 ? ) and the stock setting. The weight is designed to serve 2 purposes- 1. by sliding the weight towards or away from the shaft you influence a draw or a cut bias. If the weight is removed it will change this adjustment unless you are presently playing the club with the weight centered 2 The weight moves mass back in the the head. Typically this will add spin - Weight forward towards the face will reduce spin. By removing the weight you may find the spin increases and the ball flight changes ( typically higher launch). Depending on club head speed this could have a positive or negative impact on the overall distance. The conventional wisdom today favors lower spin off the driver to increase distance and this holds strongly true for higher swing speeds. Not so much the case at lower speeds, the increased launch "MAY" lead to greater carry and therefor distance. Best idea may be to go to a fitter or a range with a good launch monitor, check you spin and distance numbers with and without the weight in. Lastly a fitter may recommend you leave the head design alone and reduce the weight with a lighter shaft or possibly a simple counterbalance in the grip end of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeStKing Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 11:48 AM, ChitownM2 said: Removing the weight is going to shift the CG forward closer to the face which should reduce spin and launch angle not increase it. The first sentence you wrote about the weight moving mass backwards is correct so removing it would shift the CG forward. As for the OP, you are definitely going to lose some forgiveness as the MOI of the head will be substantially lower without that weight back there. The biggest change however is going to be in the swingweight of the club as you have probably noticed. General rule of thumb is that 2g equals one swingweight point but I'm not sure that the rule of thumb holds true when talking about a club at driver length and when the amount of weight in play is that massive. Regardless, you're talking about a huge reduction in swingweight which is going to make the head harder to control for a lot of people. You're also removing enough weight from the head that the shaft is probably going to play much stiffer than it did before. Overall, I think removing the weight entirely is probably a bad idea. If you really want that lighter feeling head you're probably better off calling Ping and buying a lighter weight or looking at the aftermarket options combined with some type of counter balancing in the shaft. You should be able to find a happy medium between what must be a crazy low swing weight right now ( C0 ? ) and the stock setting. I would agree with this. I am deep into the Otto Phlex process with my G425 Max- I have a 45 gram shaft and replaced the 26 gram weight with a 20 gram weight- D0 swing weight. I’m loving it- very forgiving and so nice and easy and comfortable to swing something that light. Hits some bombs with it this late fall and early winter. Check out the thread @AlejandroM Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym; Hzrdus Silver 50 Gram 3 Wood: Ping 410; "Otto Phlex" Project X Evenflow Riptide 7 Wood: Callaway Epic Max 3, 5-7 Irons: Callaway Apex 19 8-AW Irons: Callaway Apex Pro 19 Wedges: Callaway MD4 54, Callaway MD4 58 X Grind Putter: Evnroll ER2v; Midlock and Standard 34 inch with Gravity Gip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 I tried a 6, 10, and 16 gram weight instead of the stock weight in my old g410 LST(23 gram I think) I found the lower weight I installed, the less ball speed I produced. Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzle Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Ping g425max - I swapped out the heavy back weight with a 17gram weight (Amazon) and brought the total head weight back up with 10 grams of melt, placed primarily low-back-heel. The club is an absolute hammer now and no longer sounds embarrassing to hit. There’s a great Ping video on YouTube of their tech building a driver for Tyrell Hatton - adding melt is part of the drill. Check it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 On 12/5/2022 at 1:44 PM, Shankdog said: So I had the screw holding the weight on my G425 Max break this past summer in the middle of a round. I couldn’t hit that driver without the weight attached to save my life. Same thing, tried my best but it was impossible! Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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