deWiz Golf Swing Modifier - 2023 Forum Review

[USMCSnyper]

Curious if anyone else is seeing a different in max hand speed club to club? So far I am seeing that with my mid irons, I'm averaging around 16-20" from impact, but with longer clubs like driver, I am more around 5" or so, which is much closer than the recommended target range. Thinking maybe it has to do with the longer club which essentially creates a longer lever? I think it probably also has to do with me not utilizing my lower half properly, but just wondering if anyone else is seeing a similar outcome. I am more aware of it now while swinging, which I give full credit to deWiz, and in my head can feel like I am accelerating through impact with driver for example, where I think I can feel more of the deceleration through impact with my 7 iron, which I LOVE the feel of.

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[ejgaudette]

28 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

Curious if anyone else is seeing a different in max hand speed club to club? So far I am seeing that with my mid irons, I'm averaging around 16-20" from impact, but with longer clubs like driver, I am more around 5" or so, which is much closer than the recommended target range. Thinking maybe it has to do with the longer club which essentially creates a longer lever? I think it probably also has to do with me not utilizing my lower half properly, but just wondering if anyone else is seeing a similar outcome. I am more aware of it now while swinging, which I give full credit to deWiz, and in my head can feel like I am accelerating through impact with driver for example, where I think I can feel more of the deceleration through impact with my 7 iron, which I LOVE the feel of.

Just reviewing some data I am about the same I switched to cm since all the suggested values were in cm, but I am pretty consistent at about 60 to 55 cm  which is 23 to 21 inches from impact. Good thing to keep and eye on though and see generally at least for most club head speed you would want to be higher on the 7.

[USMCSnyper]

Just reviewing some data I am about the same I switched to cm since all the suggested values were in cm, but I am pretty consistent at about 60 to 55 cm  which is 23 to 21 inches from impact. Good thing to keep and eye on though and see generally at least for most club head speed you would want to be higher on the 7.

That is one recommendation I will make to DeWiz. The videos/instructions/info should be in both inches and cm.


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[GolfSpy_KFT]

20 minutes ago, ejgaudette said:

Just reviewing some data I am about the same I switched to cm since all the suggested values were in cm, but I am pretty consistent at about 60 to 55 cm  which is 23 to 21 inches from impact. Good thing to keep and eye on though and see generally at least for most club head speed you would want to be higher on the 7.

I'm finding that my smooth feeling swings, which get me anywhere from 15-16 mph max hand speed, tend to result in a much better distance to impact result. When I try and gas one up, that's when it goes to crap lol. 

Gonna try to focus on keeping that in range and then try to increase max speed a bit. Also really been using the pump drill quite a bit to try and get my sequencing with my lower body and arms working better. I think I can unlock a much more consistent shot with improving the way my lower half works. Definitely get flippy when I fall back to early extension habits. Been such a cool tool to use so far!

[Syks7]

2 hours ago, Jnoble89 said:

Curious if anyone else is seeing a different in max hand speed club to club? So far I am seeing that with my mid irons, I'm averaging around 16-20" from impact, but with longer clubs like driver, I am more around 5" or so, which is much closer than the recommended target range. Thinking maybe it has to do with the longer club which essentially creates a longer lever? I think it probably also has to do with me not utilizing my lower half properly, but just wondering if anyone else is seeing a similar outcome. I am more aware of it now while swinging, which I give full credit to deWiz, and in my head can feel like I am accelerating through impact with driver for example, where I think I can feel more of the deceleration through impact with my 7 iron, which I LOVE the feel of.

I'm not seeing a huge range, but at the high end of the bag I'm maxing out at around 19.5 mph hand speed.  At the bottom end of the bag (50º is the highest lofted wedge I swing full with) I'm at 16.9 mph hand speed max.  Average top end is 19, bottom end is 15.9.  It seems to be almost entirely in line with length of backswing.  I just get deeper into it with the Driver. 

I also have the problem that I get more arm dominated (distance to impact is lower) at the top end of the bag.  I'm averaging max hand speed 8" to impact vs. at the bottom end with my 50 that at 16".  At 4I & 5I I'm still okay at 12", but as soon as  move into woods and hybrids it drops below 12.  I'm playing around with dropping the swing weight in those clubs (thank you PXG for adjustable weights) to see if the issue is more that I play my woods, hybrids, and driver at D5 instead of lighter or if it's a weird fault on my part. 

 

[GolfSub70]

My back is still a little wonky but I've had a few other quick sessions with the swing modifier and also had three other people give it a try. They're all very knowledgeable on the golf swing and very low handicap players. I think the most common immediate reaction is "yeah this is cool and there's a lot of information...but what do I do with that information?"

I don't know how realistic it is and with as many variables as there and every golf swing being unique, but I do wonder if it would make sense to have some kind of "Recommendations" or "Priority Areas" that the software would highlight. Just something to help people understand what metrics they could improve on quickly rather than having to dive into all of the information, descriptions, etc. to try and figure it out. I've had a relatively difficult time figuring out where I should focus my time as well just because there are so many different routes you could take. 

[ejgaudette]

36 minutes ago, GolfSub70 said:

My back is still a little wonky but I've had a few other quick sessions with the swing modifier and also had three other people give it a try. They're all very knowledgeable on the golf swing and very low handicap players. I think the most common immediate reaction is "yeah this is cool and there's a lot of information...but what do I do with that information?"

I don't know how realistic it is and with as many variables as there and every golf swing being unique, but I do wonder if it would make sense to have some kind of "Recommendations" or "Priority Areas" that the software would highlight. Just something to help people understand what metrics they could improve on quickly rather than having to dive into all of the information, descriptions, etc. to try and figure it out. I've had a relatively difficult time figuring out where I should focus my time as well just because there are so many different routes you could take. 

I know that it has some recommended values when you click on the details. Such as IIDx being between 5 and 15 generally, and so on. I would agree though that you would want to track this data with some real results. I am trying to understand how to move the values and will get on a simulator soon so I can marry the two sets of data and search for connections to help with the uniqueness of my swing. It will take some time to really gather enough data for this but should be fun to analyze.

[USMCSnyper]

It would be amazing if deWiz could partner with a simulator (ex trackman) that could pair your swings and results. Now that……would be super cool.


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[fixyurdivot]

On 11/7/2023 at 5:27 AM, GolfSub70 said:

Hey everyone I'm really looking forward to testing this product out. My name is Jay and I am the Director of Marketing at Sub 70.

I completely missed seeing that we have one of our DTC OEM's testing another OEM's product... awesome!! 

The DeWitz unit looks quite impressive.  I'm not a huge "data junkie" when it comes to my golf game, but I particularly like the 3D swing video clips and think having this real time feedback, while practicing at the range, could be beneficial in making adjustments towards the systems "optimal targets/values".

Questions for all testers

How quickly does the unit create the swing video clips?  For instance, if you were to hit a handful of shots, can you immediately review those on your phone? 

For those who are focusing on the swing video feature, does the software provide any "averaging" feature of the data?  For example, you hit a handful of shots and, instead of viewing each swing, it provides an average for the set?

Does it provide a share link for each recorded swing that can be uploaded to YouTube, etc.? 

Great job so far testers and thanks! 

[USMCSnyper]

I completely missed seeing that we have one of our DTC OEM's testing another OEM's product... awesome!! 
The DeWitz unit looks quite impressive.  I'm not a huge "data junkie" when it comes to my golf game, but I particularly like the 3D swing video clips and think having this real time feedback, while practicing at the range, could be beneficial in making adjustments towards the systems "optimal targets/values".
Questions for all testers
How quickly does the unit create the swing video clips?  For instance, if you were to hit a handful of shots, can you immediately review those on your phone? 
For those who are focusing on the swing video feature, does the software provide any "averaging" feature of the data?  For example, you hit a handful of shots and, instead of viewing each swing, it provides an average for the set?
Does it provide a share link for each recorded swing that can be uploaded to YouTube, etc.? 
Great job so far testers and thanks! 

If you mean the rendering as shown above (3d swing), it’s almost immediate. If you mean an actual video, this does not video your swing. This is something I’d like to see in the next version.

If you look at some of the screenshots above, you can see the averages and data provided.

Make sense?


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[GolfSpy_KFT]

12 minutes ago, USMCSnyper said:

If you mean the rendering as shown above (3d swing), it’s almost immediate. If you mean an actual video, this does not video your swing. This is something I’d like to see in the next version.

If you look at some of the screenshots above, you can see the averages and data provided.

Make sense?


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Agreed, video integration would be very cool to see. Would think it is a definite possibility as the app works very smoothly with my phone.

[fixyurdivot]

8 minutes ago, USMCSnyper said:

If you mean the rendering as shown above (3d swing), it’s almost immediate. If you mean an actual video, this does not video your swing. This is something I’d like to see in the next version.

If you look at some of the screenshots above, you can see the averages and data provided.

Make sense?


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Yes, I was referring to the rendering.  Have any of you nick-named your swing coach? 

[USMCSnyper]

Yes, I was referring to the rendering.  Have any of you nick-named your swing coach? 

I turn and say…you lying €}%|!}¥ JK. Having fun so far!


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[ejgaudette]

21 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I completely missed seeing that we have one of our DTC OEM's testing another OEM's product... awesome!! 

The DeWitz unit looks quite impressive.  I'm not a huge "data junkie" when it comes to my golf game, but I particularly like the 3D swing video clips and think having this real time feedback, while practicing at the range, could be beneficial in making adjustments towards the systems "optimal targets/values".

Questions for all testers

How quickly does the unit create the swing video clips?  For instance, if you were to hit a handful of shots, can you immediately review those on your phone? 

For those who are focusing on the swing video feature, does the software provide any "averaging" feature of the data?  For example, you hit a handful of shots and, instead of viewing each swing, it provides an average for the set?

Does it provide a share link for each recorded swing that can be uploaded to YouTube, etc.? 

Great job so far testers and thanks! 

The avatar view as @USMCSnyper noted in near instant as are all the populating data points. Below is a quick video of all the trending data charts that there are for you to track you progress.

 

 

[deWiz Golf]

1 hour ago, ejgaudette said:

I know that it has some recommended values when you click on the details. Such as IIDx being between 5 and 15 generally, and so on. I would agree though that you would want to track this data with some real results. I am trying to understand how to move the values and will get on a simulator soon so I can marry the two sets of data and search for connections to help with the uniqueness of my swing. It will take some time to really gather enough data for this but should be fun to analyze.

Here are a few additional resources with data averages of the user base as well as TOUR player data. Should help for reference!

[Syks7]

3 hours ago, GolfSub70 said:

"yeah this is cool and there's a lot of information...but what do I do with that information?"

I don't know how realistic it is and with as many variables as there and every golf swing being unique, but I do wonder if it would make sense to have some kind of "Recommendations" or "Priority Areas" that the software would highlight. 

Got exactly the same reaction from a friend.  I feel like a lot of the 'data' is best used with a coach/instructor and most people would be best served working on the areas it shows in the app.  I think your suggestions are a good idea though... e.g. "this particular data point is way outside the norms" here's some suggestions on how to clean it up.  Even highlighting data as red/yellow/green could help.

The data is pretty useful though with the proper knowledgebase.  I noticed one number for me (IIdy) was way outside of normal (-40º) and I posted about it on the facebook group.  The co-founder helped me identify what faults it could be related to (beyond what the app shows) pretty much immediately.   It would be very cool to take that knowledgebase and put it into a database where you could click on a particular number and go to a link that lists a series of issues the datapoint relates to along with some links or drills on how to work on them.

2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

How quickly does the unit create the swing video clips?  For instance, if you were to hit a handful of shots, can you immediately review those on your phone? 

For those who are focusing on the swing video feature, does the software provide any "averaging" feature of the data?  For example, you hit a handful of shots and, instead of viewing each swing, it provides an average for the set?

Immediately for the swing clip.  You make the swing and the path shows up on screen along with a good chirp/bad chirp depending on the swing.  

It does provide averages (per club in the app), but only for the day, week, or all time.  One minor thing that I wish it did is exactly what you're describing.  A running average in session.  I also wish it provided the ability to compare two swings to one another, both visually and data wise.

One thing I really like though is the ability to pull your data into excel from the web browser version.  It helps me organize the data in a visual way that's easy for me to look at.

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[Syks7]

38 minutes ago, deWiz Golf said:

Here are a few additional resources with data averages of the user base as well as TOUR player data. Should help for reference!

This is great.  Next on the wishlist, can we get a model hand path for the ambassadors that we can overlay over our own swings. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

5 minutes ago, Syks7 said:

This is great.  Next on the wishlist, can we get a model hand path for the ambassadors that we can overlay over our own swings. 

That would be SLICK!

[Josh Parker]

49 minutes ago, deWiz Golf said:

Here are a few additional resources with data averages of the user base as well as TOUR player data. Should help for reference!

LIke the information.  I am following along closely on this test for sure and it is on the list of things to try out this next year.

[deWiz Golf]

27 minutes ago, Syks7 said:

This is great.  Next on the wishlist, can we get a model hand path for the ambassadors that we can overlay over our own swings. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

6 minutes ago, deWiz Golf said:

Since I can't give the reaction I want to, I'll use a message to do so.

Enough anticipation to make an imagination run wild!

[ejgaudette]

1 hour ago, deWiz Golf said:

Here are a few additional resources with data averages of the user base as well as TOUR player data. Should help for reference!

This is some great info, thanks for sharing it!

[fixyurdivot]

4 hours ago, ejgaudette said:

The avatar view as @USMCSnyper noted in near instant as are all the populating data points. Below is a quick video of all the trending data charts that there are for you to track you progress.

 

 

That's pretty amazing stuff.  I was about to ask if the device captures AoA... but then came the last set of data .  That is something I need to keep working on (as in increase), especially with the driver.  How does the DeWitz AoA data compare to your LM?  Thanks!

[ejgaudette]

3 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

That's pretty amazing stuff.  I was about to ask if the device captures AoA... but then came the last set of data .  That is something I need to keep working on (as in increase), especially with the driver.  How does the DeWitz AoA data compare to your LM?  Thanks!

deWiz does not track AOA actually, most of the metrics are collected close to transition or just that max hand speed location. Which metric are you looking at?

[fixyurdivot]

3 hours ago, deWiz Golf said:

Here are a few additional resources with data averages of the user base as well as TOUR player data. Should help for reference!

Jeebus... this may very well be the best damn summation of what to emulate and why that I've ever seen!  Now, if someone tells me that I can wear this while on the course, as a substitute for my Shotscope, either my wife is buying me one for X-mas or I am .

[ejgaudette]

1 minute ago, fixyurdivot said:

Jeebus... this may very well be the best damn summation of what to emulate and why that I've ever seen!  Now, if someone tells me that I can wear this while on the course, as a substitute for my Shotscope, either my wife is buying me one for X-mas or I am .

Unfortunately no stat tracking or yardages though there is an on-course mode that allows you to seem some swing data with live results.

[fixyurdivot]

1 minute ago, ejgaudette said:

deWiz does not track AOA actually, most of the metrics are collected close to transition or just that max hand speed location. Which metric are you looking at?

Trackman like AoA numbers or something close that one can use as a substitute would be great.  Like I said, I am working on hitting more up on the ball with driver.

[fixyurdivot]

1 minute ago, ejgaudette said:

Unfortunately no stat tracking or yardages though there is an on-course mode that allows you to seem some swing data with live results.

Good to know.  I'm still quite interested but how cool would it be to have a subsequent version also provide on-course yardages as well.  Yeah, I know, I'm asking alot.  But, hey, I'm old enough to remember when this was considered pie in the sky. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

58 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Trackman like AoA numbers or something close that one can use as a substitute would be great.  Like I said, I am working on hitting more up on the ball with driver.

Currently there is no metric that correlates to AoA as it doesn’t factor clubhead in relation to hand path. Would be a cool feature, but not sure it’s possible with a wrist only device. I imagine you’d need additional equipment. What would be cool is for it to have some integration eventually with MLM2 Pro, Mevo+, etc. where you can see that swing data paired with the data from deWiz. Maybe in the future!

[Syks7]

On 12/1/2023 at 12:16 PM, fixyurdivot said:

That's pretty amazing stuff.  I was about to ask if the device captures AoA... but then came the last set of data .  That is something I need to keep working on (as in increase), especially with the driver.  How does the DeWitz AoA data compare to your LM?  Thanks!

As @ejgaudettementioned, it doesn't do this, but I can easily see how this product could expand into a range of clip on accelerometers that could show every aspect of your swing.  Off the top of my head, you could pretty much get all the data you'd ever want out of 3-5  sensors plus the watch -- head/hat clip, lead & trail hip, lead and trail shoulders, glove clip, and a light one that sticks to the back of the club or the hosel.   

The biggest trick would be making yourself stand still enough before swinging to register the data.  (I have virtually no waggle, but I don't really have a big enough pause between setting the club down to swing for it to register ready without me consciously making myself hold still.  Then I pretty much go as soon as I hear the ready chirp.  I may have to start imagining the chirp as my trigger soon..  

The thing that's most interesting to me on the list of things you can do with the device is potentially turn up the sensitivity so that it can read a putting stroke.  That would be huge.  I am very, very, curious about potentially being able to do that.