marfau23 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Wanted to start this to hear the community’s opinion on what club sticks out in your mind as the most underrated or even which club is still your gamer despite technology allegedly passing it by a decade ago. For me, it’s my RBZ Stage 2 Tour 3-wood. Not sure what it is about that club but it still FLIES off the face and I haven’t found anything that is clearly superior. I HATE the look of it with the white crown and tacky graphics but it just performs for me. In an age of club fitting and really dialing things in, I think my off-the-shelf 3-wood will stay in play until it gives up on me. Lefty11, BIG STU, Old New Golfer and 1 other 4 Quote TSR3 RBZ Stage 2 3 wood 913H 3 hybrid 910H 4 hybrid Taylormade P7MC irons (5-PW) Vokey Wedges Odyssey Toulon Atlanta putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slash25rc Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, marfau23 said: For me, it’s my RBZ Stage 2 Tour 3-wood. Not sure what it is about that club but it still FLIES off the face and I haven’t found anything that is clearly superior. I HATE the look of it with the white crown and tacky graphics but it just performs for me. In an age of club fitting and really dialing things in, I think my off-the-shelf 3-wood will stay in play until it gives up on me. Big fan of the older TM woods! My wife still has an RBZ driver and I had a Sim2 3 wood that i recently parted with that I wish I hadn't of. My FIL has a Callaway Fusion 3 and 5 wood and I swear they are money. I think my favorite club I about ever had was a Callaway Big Bertha (from 90s) 9-wood that was passed down from my dad. Wasn't a shot you couldn't hit with it in the beginner 170-180 yard range. BIG STU and Lefty11 2 Quote Paradym Ai Smoke Max 10.5 Driver; Graphite Design Tour AD VF-6 S / UB-6 S Paradym Ai Smoke Max 3HL 16.5: Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65 S G430 7w: Ping Chrome 75 S. Set to 20* TSR2 5H: Project X HZRDS Red 85 S. Set to 23* 0211 DC 5-G: KBS TGI 80 S CBX 54: Rotex Wedge; CBX2 Zipcore 58: Project X Catalyst Spinner 80 M.Craft OMOI Type 06 ProV1x ; Linksmaster Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravenor Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 9 hours ago, marfau23 said: Wanted to start this to hear the community’s opinion on what club sticks out in your mind as the most underrated or even which club is still your gamer despite technology allegedly passing it by a decade ago. For me, it’s my RBZ Stage 2 Tour 3-wood. Not sure what it is about that club but it still FLIES off the face and I haven’t found anything that is clearly superior. I HATE the look of it with the white crown and tacky graphics but it just performs for me. In an age of club fitting and really dialing things in, I think my off-the-shelf 3-wood will stay in play until it gives up on me. My underrated WITB: Driver: Nike Vapor Speed Fairway Woods: Taylormade R9 Irons: Callaway Razr-X Forged Wedges: Ping Tour Gorge Putter: Yes! C-Groove Lefty11, BIG STU, braincramp and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Nike VR Pro Limited Edition | Diamana 'ahina 65g (9.5°, Stiff) 4 Wood: Titleist TS2 | Kuro Kage Black Seires 65g (16.5°, Stiff) Irons: Mizuno MP15 | True Temper DG S300 (4-PW, Stiff) Wedges: Taylormade Z-Spin | True Temper DG S300 (52°/9°B, 56°/12°B, 60°/10°B, Stiff) Putter: Nike Method Milled Model 004 (35") Currently Testing: the ShotScope Pro ZR, see my review here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marfau23 Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 28 minutes ago, Gravenor said: My underrated WITB: Driver: Nike Vapor Speed Fairway Woods: Taylormade R9 Irons: Callaway Razr-X Forged Wedges: Ping Tour Gorge Putter: Yes! C-Groove Completely forgot about the R9 series! The R9 Supertri TP is probably the prettiest golf club ever made in my opinion. Great list and beautiful bag! BIG STU, Lefty11 and Gravenor 3 Quote TSR3 RBZ Stage 2 3 wood 913H 3 hybrid 910H 4 hybrid Taylormade P7MC irons (5-PW) Vokey Wedges Odyssey Toulon Atlanta putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Map Oscar Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Bombtech makes great clubs for the beginner BIG STU and Lefty11 2 Quote I should be golfing instead of talking smack on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 I will offer a few. I recently picked up a New Old stock, 2021 Mizuno ES21, black on black, 58 x 08. It did not catch on with the low hdcp and was probably overlooked by we duffers. I love it for the 30 yard and less over the junk shot. I also have 2 ancients: an original Hogan Sure Out sand wedge, 56 loft and a sole the size of Connecticut; and a Rat Pack era Don Martin up-n-in brass and copper, no groove, 25 degree chipper. Martin and Stan Thompson (Ginty) were club makers in Palm Springs when the Sinatra gang were hot stuff there. I also still have a 2012 Adams Speedline LP (low profile) 3 wood on the bright blue Radix Matrix shaft. I use it more on the range, I have a newer Callaway, but there is something about this Adams that works for me. The flat bottom makes it a confidence club off the fairway. My 5h is a 2016 era Mizuno JPX Fly-hi and it works like a charm on the rare occasion I use it. Old New Golfer, Lefty11 and BIG STU 3 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 For me it is my old TM-V-Steel 7 wood. My go to club. Has been in the bag since new some 21 years now. Will not go anywhere unless it breaks or they pull it from my cold dead fingers braincramp, Gravenor and Lefty11 3 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 9 hours ago, Gravenor said: My underrated WITB: Driver: Nike Vapor Speed Fairway Woods: Taylormade R9 Irons: Callaway Razr-X Forged Wedges: Ping Tour Gorge Putter: Yes! C-Groove Some great ones there---- MY Doc who is a golf bud still plays that exact driver and knocks the crap out of it. The yes! putter my wife putts with a Dianna I built for her. Gravenor and braincramp 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravenor Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Just now, BIG STU said: Some great ones there---- MY Doc who is a golf bud still plays that exact driver and knocks the crap out of it. The yes! putter my wife putts with a Dianna I built for her. The Vapor Speed driver is honestly fantastic and I never see it mentioned, genuinely an incredibly underrated club. Yes! putters are also amazing, their whole lineup was pretty outstanding. BIG STU and Lefty11 2 Quote Driver: Nike VR Pro Limited Edition | Diamana 'ahina 65g (9.5°, Stiff) 4 Wood: Titleist TS2 | Kuro Kage Black Seires 65g (16.5°, Stiff) Irons: Mizuno MP15 | True Temper DG S300 (4-PW, Stiff) Wedges: Taylormade Z-Spin | True Temper DG S300 (52°/9°B, 56°/12°B, 60°/10°B, Stiff) Putter: Nike Method Milled Model 004 (35") Currently Testing: the ShotScope Pro ZR, see my review here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: I will offer a few. I recently picked up a New Old stock, 2021 Mizuno ES21, black on black, 58 x 08. It did not catch on with the low hdcp and was probably overlooked by we duffers. I love it for the 30 yard and less over the junk shot. I also have 2 ancients: an original Hogan Sure Out sand wedge, 56 loft and a sole the size of Connecticut; and a Rat Pack era Don Martin up-n-in brass and copper, no groove, 25 degree chipper. Martin and Stan Thompson (Ginty) were club makers in Palm Springs when the Sinatra gang were hot stuff there. I also still have a 2012 Adams Speedline LP (low profile) 3 wood on the bright blue Radix Matrix shaft. I use it more on the range, I have a newer Callaway, but there is something about this Adams that works for me. The flat bottom makes it a confidence club off the fairway. My 5h is a 2016 era Mizuno JPX Fly-hi and it works like a charm on the rare occasion I use it. I have quite a few Hogan wedges among them a Sure Out exactly like you described. Since I normally carry only 11 or 12 clubs as SOP I slip it in when I play neighboring courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. Yeah it is big and heavy with a lot of bounce but it does work Lefty11 and Donn lost in San Diego 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/12/2024 at 8:52 AM, marfau23 said: Wanted to start this to hear the community’s opinion on what club sticks out in your mind as the most underrated or even which club is still your gamer despite technology allegedly passing it by a decade ago. 2024 has been a very rare season for me--extraordinarily rare-- because except for my Tad Moore putter, I've played just about the entire season with brand new clubs. My present bag didn't evolve in any normal way. It exploded onto to the scene all at once, with a reboot here and there, but still, everything new the whole way. Part of it is that I recovered from serious back injury and found myself unexpectedly able to play again. Thus, I don't have any underrated clubs. Everything I bought was rated pretty high with a price tag to match, unfortunately. What I do have, however, is a vintage bag that I could bring out onto the grass right now. The clubs might feel a bit heavy, some of them, but I could definitely play them and enjoy them. Ping Rapture V2 12° driver Titleist PT 17° fairway metal Top Flite Intimidator 400Ti 21° and 25° fairway metals. Mizuno Fli Hi II___18° driving iron Titleist DCI 962 [stainless steel] 5-PW Cleveland 588__53° Cleveland 691___58°. No junk in these thirteen. All of them could play better than I could. Almost everybody is back to forged now, even in modern, multi-piece, hollow irons, but the stainless steel DCI 962s could find their way around a golf course. BIG STU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossfan Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The Adams Super S line was pretty good. BIG STU 1 Quote D- Tour Edge EXS 220 4W- Sub 70 949X Hybrid- Sub 70 949X Utility- Sub 70 699 U 21 degree Irons- Sub 70 749 5-PW Wedges- Sub 70 286 50+54, Tour Edge 1 out 58 degree Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach soft # 11 Ball- Titleist Tour Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said: 2024 has been a very rare season for me--extraordinarily rare-- because except for my Tad Moore putter, I've played just about the entire season with brand new clubs. My present bag didn't evolve in any normal way. It exploded onto to the scene all at once, with a reboot here and there, but still, everything new the whole way. Part of it is that I recovered from serious back injury and found myself unexpectedly able to play again. Thus, I don't have any underrated clubs. Everything I bought was rated pretty high with a price tag to match, unfortunately. What I do have, however, is a vintage bag that I could bring out onto the grass right now. The clubs might feel a bit heavy, some of them, but I could definitely play them and enjoy them. Ping Rapture V2 12° driver Titleist PT 17° fairway metal Top Flite Intimidator 400Ti 21° and 25° fairway metals. Mizuno Fli Hi II___18° driving iron Titleist DCI 962 [stainless steel] 5-PW Cleveland 588__53° Cleveland 691___58°. No junk in these thirteen. All of them could play better than I could. Almost everybody is back to forged now, even in modern, multi-piece, hollow irons, but the stainless steel DCI 962s could find their way around a golf course. Congrats on recovery. from a retired boomer. with a spine curved like pretzel. I play golf in between injuries and arthritis repair surgeries. BIG STU and Lefty11 2 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Congrats on recovery. from a retired boomer. with a spine curved like pretzel. I play golf in between injuries and arthritis repair surgeries. Hang in there, Donn. At least you won't have snow interrupting your determined comebacks. BIG STU and Lefty11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 7 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said: 2024 has been a very rare season for me--extraordinarily rare-- because except for my Tad Moore putter, I've played just about the entire season with brand new clubs. My present bag didn't evolve in any normal way. It exploded onto to the scene all at once, with a reboot here and there, but still, everything new the whole way. Part of it is that I recovered from serious back injury and found myself unexpectedly able to play again. Thus, I don't have any underrated clubs. Everything I bought was rated pretty high with a price tag to match, unfortunately. What I do have, however, is a vintage bag that I could bring out onto the grass right now. The clubs might feel a bit heavy, some of them, but I could definitely play them and enjoy them. Ping Rapture V2 12° driver Titleist PT 17° fairway metal Top Flite Intimidator 400Ti 21° and 25° fairway metals. Mizuno Fli Hi II___18° driving iron Titleist DCI 962 [stainless steel] 5-PW Cleveland 588__53° Cleveland 691___58°. No junk in these thirteen. All of them could play better than I could. Almost everybody is back to forged now, even in modern, multi-piece, hollow irons, but the stainless steel DCI 962s could find their way around a golf course. Sometimes things just evolve. I know all about back injury. Broke both sides of the L-2 and collapsed the disc in an accident in 2020. Even though one side of the L-2 is fused I do pretty well. Had to revamp my swing and my game. Had to shorten the swing to be able to play and learned to deal with the reduced distance as a result. I played more modern graphite shafted irons for darn near 2 years. Back in the spring I had healed enough and had learned to throttle down enough to put my beloved VIPs with steel shafts back in the bag Lefty11 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 7 hours ago, BIG STU said: Sometimes things just evolve. I know all about back injury. Broke both sides of the L-2 and collapsed the disc in an accident in 2020. Even though one side of the L-2 is fused I do pretty well. Had to revamp my swing and my game. Had to shorten the swing to be able to play and learned to deal with the reduced distance as a result. I played more modern graphite shafted irons for darn near 2 years. Back in the spring I had healed enough and had learned to throttle down enough to put my beloved VIPs with steel shafts back in the bag MacGregor made them some sweet clubs in their day, didn't they? Zappix, Lefty11 and BIG STU 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 15 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said: Hang in there, Donn. At least you won't have snow interrupting your determined comebacks. Last night I wrote but didn't get to post: retired boomer listening on a kilobuck vinyl LP stereo rig, to top shelf vinyl Jim Croce, Emerson Lake & Palmer, the under rated Scot Donovan Leitch. I rested Joni Mitchell Blue, it is my #1 fav. No punk, garage, no synth drum, just real people playing live their fav strings on a geetar, their own piano. BIG STU, RetiredBoomer and Lefty11 2 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 11 hours ago, BIG STU said: Sometimes things just evolve. I know all about back injury. Broke both sides of the L-2 and collapsed the disc in an accident in 2020. Even though one side of the L-2 is fused I do pretty well. Had to revamp my swing and my game. Had to shorten the swing to be able to play and learned to deal with the reduced distance as a result. I played more modern graphite shafted irons for darn near 2 years. Back in the spring I had healed enough and had learned to throttle down enough to put my beloved VIPs with steel shafts back in the bag Big Stuuuu have you heard my pitch to learn Alexander Technique? It is an excellent tool to re-learn the least misuse of skeletal/muscle movement, posture and balance. Like slow motion yoga, easier than Pilates, easier to learn and practice than Tai Chi. BIG STU and Lefty11 1 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zengineer Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On the internet, anything more than one year old. BIG STU and Lefty11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 14 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Big Stuuuu have you heard my pitch to learn Alexander Technique? It is an excellent tool to re-learn the least misuse of skeletal/muscle movement, posture and balance. Like slow motion yoga, easier than Pilates, easier to learn and practice than Tai Chi. Thanks you will have to let me in on that little tidbit Lefty11 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 18 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said: MacGregor made them some sweet clubs in their day, didn't they? Oh absolutely. All of the American "Big 4" made great clubs back in the day. The possibilities were endless in those days too. All of those companies had extensive custom departments too. Lefty11 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 14 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Last night I wrote but didn't get to post: retired boomer listening on a kilobuck vinyl LP stereo rig, to top shelf vinyl Jim Croce, Emerson Lake & Palmer, the under rated Scot Donovan Leitch. I rested Joni Mitchell Blue, it is my #1 fav. No punk, garage, no synth drum, just real people playing live their fav strings on a geetar, their own piano. Love ELP---- Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends. If you notice vinyl is making a comeback Lefty11 and KC Golf 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 hours ago, BIG STU said: Oh absolutely. All of the American "Big 4" made great clubs back in the day. The possibilities were endless in those days too. All of those companies had extensive custom departments too. It was a lot easier to offer custom service on classic style clubs than on modern, multi-piece construction clubs. Today we get the advanced tech at the cost of customization. They could lathe a wooden wood anyway they wanted. They could grind a one-piece iron anyway they wanted. That's simply not possible with high tech clubs. I don't think the younger players completely comprehend this. I can tell by their posts that every few generations grow up in a totally different world. jaskanski, BIG STU and Lefty11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 8 hours ago, BIG STU said: Thanks you will have to let me in on that little tidbit F. M. Alexander was a stage actor whose voice kept cracking when he was live on stage. He spent 1000s of hours studying himself in the mirror. He developed a method to re-train people on posture and movement. You are taught very small incremental changes in how you stand, sit, and walk. The changes become ingrained thru a few weeks of training, 1 or 2 x a week, an hour session, almost all teach in their own home on a P.T. table. By retraining, we strain less, we unlearn habits that pit muscles against each other when they should be at rest. It is simpler than 100s of yoga postures, it is slow motion yoga or pilates. It is easier on the body and better long term than chiro because you become your own agent of change. Many actors, singers, and dancer who seem to have perfect posture learned it. I have Stacy Lewis amount of curved spine, but never had surgery. I am susceptible to neck, back, and shoulder problems. I had elbow nerve totally trapped by scar tissue. Was on disability 3 years. It took 2 surgeries to get rid of the scar tissue. I went from that to become a wine salesman, lugging a 20 pound bag of wine bottles, and throwing cases in and out of the car. And I golf. My swing speed is limited because the core muscles just are not able to move that fast, but I reach mid 80s mph but NO PAIN, except arthritis. 3 arthritis surgeries so far: knee, thumb, toe. All successful. Look up Alexander Technique on the web. They are all low key, few advertise, they don't over- promise. He was from Australia and then moved to London, died in 1950. My teacher 25 years ago was an elderly and very spry Brit woman who learned from Alexander when she was a in her 20s. From their UK website: There is an impressive list of world famous actors who have recommended the Technique; Dame Judi Dench, Alan Rickman, Sir Ian McKellen, Lenny Henry, Kenneth Branagh, Jesse Eisenberg, Jennifer Saunders, Hilary Swank, Julie Andrews, Stephen Dillane to name but a few. Lefty11 and BIG STU 1 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 8 hours ago, BIG STU said: Thanks you will have to let me in on that little tidbit Here is a great summary from acting magazine .com The Basics of the Alexander Technique Before delving into its benefits for actors, let’s briefly recap the fundamental principles of the Alexander Technique: Awareness: The technique places a strong emphasis on heightened self-awareness, allowing practitioners to recognize and address habits of tension and poor posture. Inhibition: Inhibition, a key concept, enables individuals to pause and withhold automatic responses. It empowers them to interrupt habitual reactions, fostering the ability to choose more beneficial patterns of movement and thought. Direction: Mental directions are used to guide the body into healthier, more efficient states. These directions encourage the release of tension and the restoration of natural coordination. Primary Control: The Alexander Technique focuses on the primary control of the head-neck-spine relationship, which can positively impact the entire body’s alignment and function. BIG STU and Lefty11 1 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 9/13/2024 at 4:22 PM, RetiredBoomer said: 2024 has been a very rare season for me--extraordinarily rare-- because except for my Tad Moore putter, I've played just about the entire season with brand new clubs. My present bag didn't evolve in any normal way. It exploded onto to the scene all at once, with a reboot here and there, but still, everything new the whole way. Part of it is that I recovered from serious back injury and found myself unexpectedly able to play again. Thus, I don't have any underrated clubs. Everything I bought was rated pretty high with a price tag to match, unfortunately. What I do have, however, is a vintage bag that I could bring out onto the grass right now. The clubs might feel a bit heavy, some of them, but I could definitely play them and enjoy them. Ping Rapture V2 12° driver Titleist PT 17° fairway metal Top Flite Intimidator 400Ti 21° and 25° fairway metals. Mizuno Fli Hi II___18° driving iron Titleist DCI 962 [stainless steel] 5-PW Cleveland 588__53° Cleveland 691___58°. No junk in these thirteen. All of them could play better than I could. Almost everybody is back to forged now, even in modern, multi-piece, hollow irons, but the stainless steel DCI 962s could find their way around a golf course. Back in the day DCIs were lights out great when this game improvement category was still relatively new. Lefty11, RetiredBoomer and BIG STU 3 Quote TSR 3 9.0 Autoflex 405x - Official Tester 2024 TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 4 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Stiff Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged (Japan) 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Champions Choice Newport 2+ Button Back - 35” / Pistolini Plus Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 19 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said: It was a lot easier to offer custom service on classic style clubs than on modern, multi-piece construction clubs. Today we get the advanced tech at the cost of customization. They could lathe a wooden wood anyway they wanted. They could grind a one-piece iron anyway they wanted. That's simply not possible with high tech clubs. I don't think the younger players completely comprehend this. I can tell by their posts that every few generations grow up in a totally different world. Well now it is the difference between night and day. Back then clubs were forged in the good old USA out of good old American steel. All of the Big 4 had skilled craftsmen hand grinding clubs too. Now days the quality of steel is not as good as it once was IMHO with different alloys etc. I do not think anyone forges clubs anymore in the USA. Today you have totally differently engineered clubs and processes. But then again things change. I can see it because I still play hickory shafted forged clubs too. Today clubs are more mass produced because you have more people playing golf and purchasing clubs than ever in the history of golf. A lot of it I have always said on the club end is the era one learned the game in and the equipment they learned with. I play with the type of equipment I learned with. I absolutely will not push the fact that the old blades work for me over someone playing more modern CBs. Yeah I still play full vintage rounds with either my 1955 Hogan Irons or 1962 MacGregor CF-4000s and persimmon woods along with some kind of vintage putter. Do not care about the score there or trying to prove anything to myself or anyone else. I just enjoy doing it. Fact is I still played persimmon woods front line until like 02 or so. I was the last man standing on the SE Mini Tours with persimmon in the bag. Today looking at my signature you will see what I have posted is what I play darn near every day in my league and small money games. I am not trying to prove anything to anybody that is just the stuff I am familiar with and want to play Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- - 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R---- Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex steel shafts--- SW -- Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore --- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Fluted Bulls Eye shaft--- Bag TM Flex Lite Stand---- Yeah I know only 11 clubs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPP Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) On 9/12/2024 at 8:52 AM, marfau23 said: RBZ Stage 2 Tour 3-wood Never used one of those, like you I just couldn't handle the white. But one of my fav 3 woods in the M6 3 in 16 degrees, with a Project Evenflow MaxD 5.5. Edited September 16 by CPP Quote Ping 410 + TM M6 3w TM M6 5w TM Stealth 2 4h TM P790 TM Grind 2 50.9 TM 54.10 Vokey 58.10s Scotty Newport Mid Slant Pro Platinum Ball: Titleist Tour Soft, TM Soft Response Yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braincramp Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 On 9/13/2024 at 3:49 AM, BIG STU said: I have quite a few Hogan wedges among them a Sure Out exactly like you described. Since I normally carry only 11 or 12 clubs as SOP I slip it in when I play neighboring courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. Yeah it is big and heavy with a lot of bounce but it does work The Hogan Sure Out might be one of the best sand wedges ever along with the original ping Glide 58ES. RetiredBoomer and BIG STU 2 Quote Titleist GT2 10° Ping Anser 5 wood Ping G25 Irons 4-UW Ping Glide 58°ES Seemore mFPG Nashville Studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 29 minutes ago, braincramp said: The Hogan Sure Out might be one of the best sand wedges ever along with the original ping Glide 58ES. If you were looking for a specialty sand wedge that you weren't going to try to hit from a tight grass lie, there were many semi-mongrel brands that worked really well--Lovett, Tiger Shark, Alien, Concave, etc. Even Callaway made an excellent hickory-shafted 59° that was killer in sand. The Wilson R-90 was a classic for decades. The current Cleveland Smart Sole works well. If you want to use a sand wedge of any loft that's very playable from turf, however, you're going to need technique... and there's no getting away from it. BIG STU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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