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Thought you came off a bit cocky there...then spit some IPA out of my nose!!

I have noticed the breaks as well. But from all the surprises I run into that change little house projects into bug house projects, I assumed my floor has some slant to it. If I rotate the mat 90 degrees, the break disappears, so I figured the mat was ok. It does make it a little weird to have a 10 footer that breaks 2-3" on what looks like a perfectly flat green. I had the suspicions about the angled putts vs. straight putts. With the 3ft wide mat, I have my heels hanging off to get a straight putt to the single centered hole. If I putt straight to the far right hole, I am going right down the edge of the mat, so I feel like there is some alignment "cheating". I suppose I should incorporate some more straight vs. angled testing to actually verify if there is a measurable difference.

I have not seen a groove after considerable use. The guys on the latest No Putts Given were touting the great puttout mat. I guess they don't read the forums here

I bet you will love this. I can't leave mine out because of pets. A dog's nails can puncture it and a cat may or may not like to use it as a scratch pad. As I can't leave it out, I am taking it out and rolling back up all the time. I wish I would have gone 4' wide (I did 3') and gone less than the 12'. Now if you can leave yours out all the time, that size should be great!

^^^^ So much this! Hitting off real grass HAS to add so much value to a fitting. I have a small hitting mat that is supposed to be one of the most real, but I still dont think it can quite replicate sole-real grass interactions.

Congrats winners!!! These both look amazing! I think I need a blade putter now just to sport the RIP Chubbs cover.

Have a great time!! I expect full recordings with chest and head mounted go pros!

That is crazy! This also ties into some questions I had from this thread (or another recently talking about the Mizuno shaft optimizer). How long does it take a person to adjust to a different shaft? I tried one of those at a show last winter and was told no practice swings, not even a waggle. But on the first backswing I could already tell the thing felt like a noodle. I know I can't swing my wife's "A" flex like my S C-Tapers. So are my optimizer results legit? The numbers didn't really match how I imagined my swing. Is my imagination bad? What is my natural swing? Do I swing my current shafts naturally or have I made adjustments to them? I have a "Stiff" Ping Tour shaft in my driver. I demo'd an X that was working really well. PGATSS didn't have an X in their Ping cart but the stiff worked best from what they had. I tried an X at a later date at another shop and it wasn't any better than the S. Kudos to them for not trying to sell something that wouldn't help. I did have about 50yds total difference from PGATSS (long) to the other shop (not long). I think reality lies somewhere in between. I have soft stepped S C-Tapers in my irons. No idea if these are a good fit. Some days I feel like I will take them to the grave with me, others I feel like burying them six feet under so I never have to see them again. Wedges have Tour V S shafts. A lighter flexier higher launching shaft in my wedges that TK designed to keep the flight down. I don't know how much sense that makes. But it looks like many of you also go with a softer flex in your wedges, so maybe that works just fine. I think my putter shaft is the right flex at least...

I like the cockpit of this one better than my clicgear. 110 is a steal!!!

I got mine extended to April 1. But that doesn't make 20 deg feel any warmer right now!

We don't have that much accumulating on the ground in Salt Lake, but the temps hit 20F two nights ago and it was pretty nasty out this morning. I have an Arccos trial burning a hole in my golf bag and a putter to test that will be spending way too much time indoors vs outdoors.

Pelz has a two page spread of pictures of putter faces with impact tape after 10 or 20 putts of tour pros all the way to high handicappers. The pros impact area was 5% of the area of the high handicappers. If you can hit the same spot every single time, the grooves aren't going to be that helpful, especially if you have hit more putts in the last year than most of us have hit in a lifetime. However, it doesn't take too long before that impact zone really starts to spread. These weekend warriors are the players that will see the most benefit from the EVNROLL. I do not work for EVNROLL, nor do I own one. But I have held one at the store and I slept in my own bed last night.

I was less concerned about the performance than I was throwing off you color scheme!!

No Epic Flash for you in the future?

I just ordered mine last earlier this week. Crazy deal as I bought a G400 LST driver when it went on sale pre-G410, but they are still sending 14 sensors! We will see how this works with my low-rent Android phone. May have to hijack the kids iPhone for four hours on weekends.

Thanks! That was a long time ago and a borrowed book, so the name escaped me. Looks like I can pick up my own copy for one hard earned dollar on amazon!

This reminds me of a section from Zen Golf(I think?). The writer had many photos of swings from his student with a ball. Most students weren't happy with what they saw. Then he had them throw a club as far out on the range as they could. And the videos revealed swings resembling that screenshot of DJ above. To throw that club (forwards!) a good distance, the body rotation becomes much more natural than when swinging at a ball. Obviously not a drill for the garage, raised rafters or not!

As my German teacher would say, “Ah ploose”

I just liked this, and then made it to the bottom and saw the irons got switched! @lmh3, do you have a closet full of stamped irons or do those go on ebay? I like the stampings, I just don't know if I like any of my clubs enough to "make them mine".

I had the new one all picked out, and despite the stench of overheated metal and burnt rubber, this thing just won’t die!

One thing that needs to be taken into account that I didn't in my response above is the course layout. Most courses I play here won't kill me for trying to rip the cover off the ball on the tee. If I'm bad enough, I just end up in the wrong fairway. On courses in AZ that i have played I would be in rattlesnake country with those wild ones. So i think i would play less than driver more often.

This is where I think Broadie hit the nail on the head. Hit it as close as you can without risking a terrible lie or penalty. I think when I have play the hole backwards, I have a tendency to think too much and end up wondering far too often "if I am going to hit from this crappy lie, would I be better off in a crappy lie but 60 yds closer?" This certainly isn't a universal rule, but most of the data I have seen shows on average you still end up closer to the hole the closer you are. As rev says though, your proximity to hole relative to starting distance may be worse, but you are still closer to the hole.

I think the member reviews are more influential than the Most Wanted testing. I have made purchases based off of both. My bag was a top performer for a couple of years. The guy I bought it from even advertised it as a Most Wanted bag. Members usually do a good enough job describing their game and preferences that I can tell how to take their feedback. If there are a lot of similarities or similar preferences, I consider their comments with more weight than someone who obviously favors something that I can't stand. I showed off the grips I tested to whomever would listen, but those are such a personal thing that no one was wowed into running out and regripping. I just had some people over last night and had the Cleveland Frontline out with some others on the BirdieBall green. One guy liked the old satin Elevado soft feel better. Funny, because that was why I dumped it in the first place. So I think the way the MGS reviews can help influence is that people state what they like or don't so well so the readers can be influenced correctly. "Gold Star -Goes Far" isn't that helpful to me.

Doesn't this just confirm what the OP was asking/suggesting in the first place? I was anti-jacking to start, veered towards indifferent, but am now thinking it is hurting more golfers than helping. My current irons are at least 1-1.5 clubs longer than the old Wilson blades I have. Is that from 40 years of technological advances? Some of it is, I am sure. But I bet a majority of the distance gain is because the old 8 iron has the loft of my new 9 iron. Does the number on the sole matter? Of course not. But if the average golfer is going to chase an 8 iron that goes farther, they are going to get wooed by the new 8 iron that is essentially their old 7. I don't have any concrete data, but I bet the trend has left many golfers with more long irons that they can't actually hit (or if they can, the 4 doesn't often go further than the 5) and they now have a giant gap between their set PW and what they thought was a GW that no longer fits that gap. What do they have to show for the new set? The same scores because they created as many problems as they fixed. I think that IS a disservice to the unknowing weekend warrior because they are pitched a solution to improve their game that doesn't necessarily fix anything. Just because they don't know doesn't mean its not an issue.

I did the hard rock challenge this summer (a day late so I didn't record it in that thread) with some Pinnacle Rush balls and some early 80's Wilson Staff Fluid Feels. Once I got over the fact that 9=8 and so on, it was a blast. I wouldn't have known I was playing with a rock. I didn't shoot any worse than I was playing that course with my regulars at the time. Those look awesome and were a steal at 100 bucks!