PGA Tour 2023 - The Players Championship

[cnosil]

8 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

in my opinion and vast experience at high level competition, A timely or important putt would be any putt of any distance that could or would 1-keep momentum going 2-extend a lead by a comfortable margin ie: 2-3 strokes, 3-settle your nerves by making a putt that in your mind you should make 4-cut into the gap between you and the leader... that is all I can think about at this time.

I suppose if you havent experienced competitive golf no putt matters.

Thanks for the clarification,  in my mind, this is more about the mental aspect of the game and could apply to any shot during the round and doesn’t directly translate to being “good” at putting. 

[TylorJudd]

Guy was lights out, to start cold, then heat up like that as the storm was really picking up, nailed 17 like it was nothing. On a course that started to gobble up golfers, with the exception of Hatton and Hoge also, Scheffler was unphased 

[Jim Shaw]

31 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Thanks for the clarification,  in my mind, this is more about the mental aspect of the game and could apply to any shot during the round and doesn’t directly translate to being “good” at putting. 

At the professional level, you are correct, golf is 90 percent mental

[cnosil]

5 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

At the professional level, you are correct, golf is 90 percent mental

Why not at any level; in golf the only thing you can control is yourself.  Hit shots that will  provide the best outcome for success, don’t try to force things, and don’t make emotional decisions.  

[Hakr4ever]

Just got home from Sawgrass. I live in Saint Augustine (30 miles),and volunteer every year at the Players. Rain held off yesterday until tournament finished. What a beautiful course. I get a free round at Stadium course for my reward for all last week. Can’t wait to go and humble myself!

[Jim Shaw]

5 hours ago, cnosil said:

Why not at any level; in golf the only thing you can control is yourself.  Hit shots that will  provide the best outcome for success, don’t try to force things, and don’t make emotional decisions.  

Hmm, don’t really know about any level, I would say off hand that striking the ball in the center may be more important at a certain level. 

[GaDawg]

Interesting article from Golf Monthly

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lack-liv-golfers-tpc-sawgrass-150758188.html

[cnosil]

14 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:

Hmm, don’t really know about any level, I would say off hand that striking the ball in the center may be more important at a certain level. 

That is a skill that is worked on outside of a competitive round. We were discussing things that happen during the round.  

[Splatt]

Tonight, I watched the opening few holes again of the final group/final round. 
That opening 2-iron from Min Woo and the subsequent birdie really have me pining for what could have been.
I'd even forgotten that for a very brief moment in time Min and Scottie were tied for the lead.

Scottie with some serious Tiger vibes of such complete determination that it affects those around. It really could have only ever gone one way.

Super happy for my boy Min Woo, though 

You can quote me later, but Min Woo Lee is getting his first PGA Tour win this season

Edited March 14, 2023 by Splatt

[Rickp]

1 minute ago, Splatt said:

Tonight, I watched the opening few holes again of the final group/final round. 
That opening 2-iron from Min Woo and the subsequent birdie really have me pining for what could have been.
I'd even forgotten that for a very brief moment in time Min and Scottie were tied for the lead.

Scottie with some very serious Tiger vibes of such complete determination that it affects those around. It really could have only ever gone one way.

Super happy for my boy Min woo, though 

You can quote me later, but Min Woo Lee is getting his first PGA Tour win this season

You could be right, kids got game and bloodline. 

[Jim Shaw]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

That is a skill that is worked on outside of a competitive round. We were discussing things that happen during the round.  

In my experience all the skills and reps I do outside of a competitive round are purposefully fine tuned to execute during a competitive round. 

[cnosil]

16 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

In my experience all the skills and reps I do outside of a competitive round are purposefully fine tuned to execute during a competitive round. 

Don’t disagree and that is what I said.  Don’t work on your skills during a competitive round; focus on making the correct mental decisions that are appropriate for your skill level. Going back to your example, would/should a player be woking on the skill to more consistently hit the center of the club face during a competitive round?  During your practice you work on skills associated with hitting the center of the club face and skills to make adjustments if you aren’t hitting the center.  During the competitive round the mental game takes precedence and not making incorrect decisions based on where you are on the leaderboard, or where your shot ended up.
 

 But, we are getting way off the topic of Scheffler putting skills with are at best average when compared to his peers.  You have mentioned that you personally track things like number of putts, feet of putts made, etc to assess your game and when looking at Scheffler, he is at or below Tour average.  

[Jim Shaw]

3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Don’t disagree and that is what I said.  Don’t work on your skills during a competitive round; focus on making the correct mental decisions that are appropriate for your skill level. Going back to your example, would/should a player be woking on the skill to more consistently hit the center of the club face during a competitive round?  During your practice you work on skills associated with hitting the center of the club face and skills to make adjustments if you aren’t hitting the center.  During the competitive round the mental game takes precedence and not making incorrect decisions based on where you are on the leaderboard, or where your shot ended up.
 

 But, we are getting way off the topic of Scheffler putting skills with are at best average when compared to his peers.  You have mentioned that you personally track things like number of putts, feet of putts made, etc to assess your game and when looking at Scheffler, he is at or below Tour average.  

golf, in general competitive situation or not, is a series of constant adjustments, I dont know if you have ever played and been successful at competitive golf however if you have you will have reverted at some point in 90% of your competitive rounds to working on one skill or another. In the thousands of competitive rounds I have played, in my instance, I can count on one hand where the entire round has been on auto pilot and at the end of the round I have never worked on "a swing thought" as a matter of fact my mental coach and I have implemented "concurrent critique"based on a swing thought into our tournament round process. I disagree with your take on this.

Back to Scottie's putting skills, there is one person holding the trophy and that is him, and I believe he will hoist a few more, putting stats or not.