Gargolf8 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Further to an earlier post, and by recommendation from more seasoned members, it was suggested that wrote a few words about these putters. I originally stumbled upon this company by accident really as a friend had one of their grips on a putter. I have previously reviewed their grips but in short this company has developed a putting system for which there are many explanatory videos on you tube and also on their website. http://bjmputtergrips.com In short the grip aims to have the putter held in a palms up position preventing mobility in the wrists and tucking your elbows into to your body stabilising the stroke. The system they have developed is based around a split grip but I found it more comfortable to overlap the grip. Having found that I saw immediate improvements in more “centre strikes” on my putter I posted a few words and pictures on my social media for my friends. In a big surprise for me the designer reached out and we began to chat. Firstly I was really impressed by his passion for the science of putting and it turns out that he has also developed a putter with this science in mind. The research he had carried out was mind boggling some of which I was struggling to understand the math Detail down to face depth, audible feedback on centre strikes, head weight, adjustable hosel, 3 different lofts on the face etc to name a few, all backed by his research. After a few conversations to the other side of the world he kindly sent me a putter to test and when it arrived he talked me through all his thoughts by video call! Ive now played a few rounds with the putter and fitted their premium cabretta leather grip. The quality of their product I found to be top end. Dark cabretta leather grip, black graphic shaft, 435g high MOI 303 milled steel head. (Photos below) and a smart headcover all look the part. The putter is heel shafted with about a half toe hang. The head feels like it doesn’t want to move through the stroke, extremely stable. The things I liked most were the sight lines vertical and horizontal made alignment so easy and the weight and balance of the head. The audible sweet spot is created by a slightly hollowed out back portion of the face and took me a little by surprise, as a well hit putt gives a slight “ting” , nothing too offensive but something I’m not used to. It does roll the ball beautifully for me. The grips come in 3 different sizes and the company ships around the world. If you’re looking to change up a little something in your putting it may well be worth checking out! It has been a revelation for me and I’ve made a friend along the way. WIN WIN! For those interested in the tech stuff the specs provided by the company are below. HEAD: - 303 Stainless - 100% CNC machined - Milled Face - Progressive face loft, 1,2,3 degrees - Detachable head - Inline shaft/Hosel. No offset or onset - 72 degree lie angle - adjustable - Audible sweet spot feedback - Vertical/Horizontal lines - fitted - Wighted wing dispersion for stability - Head finish - Pearl black and mat silver - Putter is conforming Grips Kotahi: Standard Height: 1.74” width: 1.25” Length: 14” Core: 14.50mm Weight: 100 grams 12 Colours available Kotahi Temara Length: 13” Height: 1.63” Width: 1.19” Core: hole: 14.35mm Weight: 95 grams 2 colours available Kotahi Undersize Height: 1.5" width: 1.12” Length: 12” Core: 14.20mm Weight: 65 grams 5 Colours available Kotahi Premium: Standard Leather Height: 1.74” width: 1.25” Length: 14” Core: 14.50mm Weight: 110 grams 1 Colours available Shaft specs Length: 36” Tip: .370”(9.40mm) - tip length 7” Mid: .485”(12.32mm)- mid length 9” Butt: .60”(15.24mm)- Butt length 20” Rob Person and GolfSpy_APH 1 1 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Definitely looks interesting! Thanks for sharing! Rob Person and Gargolf8 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 This grip is legit! I used it for quite a while and had good success with it. Rob Person and Gargolf8 2 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 That's an interesting grip, I've never seen one like that before. Also, the weight is quite interesting. Have you found it to be harder to roll in shorter putts? I've found with heavier putters it's tricky to judge swing speed for those. Thanks for sharing!!! Quote WITB-Foremost 551's - 3w, 5w, 5-SW (circa 1998), Top Flite 460cc Driver, Adam's 7w, Warrior GW and 60⁰, Odyssey AI-One DB putter. Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Can you provide any pics of the hand position on the grip you were referring to? Quote WITB-Foremost 551's - 3w, 5w, 5-SW (circa 1998), Top Flite 460cc Driver, Adam's 7w, Warrior GW and 60⁰, Odyssey AI-One DB putter. Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Garsen seells a similar shaped grip and it's an interesting concept. I put this one on my MEZZ two years ago and putted with it for a few weeks before I gave up. https://garsengolf.com/collections/shop/products/max?variant=40870263750812 Rob Person 1 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdiver1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 It does look a lot like the Garsen Max. The testing done last year led me to using the Max on one putter and the Quad Tour. I included links to those testing forums your convenience. bens197 and Rob Person 1 1 Quote Driver - Ping G400 9°, Project-X Evenflow Black 6.0S 65 gr. FW - TM M3 3-wood 15°, Project-X HZRDUS Red 6.0 75 gr. mid-spin Hybrid - TM M4 19°, Project-X Evenflow Black 6.0S 85 gr. HY Irons - TM P790, 3-PW, Oban CT-115, PXG 311 P Gen 6 Wedges - Mizuno T20 Ion blue 52/9 & 56/14, N.S. Pro Modus3 S-flex Putter - Evnroll ER2 Garsen Max grip Getting a grip - oversize Winn DryTacs and Bionic gloves Ball - ProV1, AVX, Maxfli Tour, PXG Bag(s)/cart - Vessel Player III Rovic RV1S and Alphard V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargolf8 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 7 hours ago, Rob Person said: That's an interesting grip, I've never seen one like that before. Also, the weight is quite interesting. Have you found it to be harder to roll in shorter putts? I've found with heavier putters it's tricky to judge swing speed for those. Thanks for sharing!!! Hi Rob I’m mean putting is such a personal feel thing, I’ve only put the larger Premium Cabretta leather grip on as this was sent to me to try, (I have the smaller grips on my other putters) It comes in at a weighty 110g so maybe counter balances the head weight a little. Personally I find the shorter ones a little easier as it is very stable and you can pretty much just drop it on the back of the ball. For me personally I prefer the smaller blades or semi blades for judging pace on the longer ones. Interestingly when I put my Bettinardi BB28 against the BJM the face is longer on the bettinardi!! It’s like an optical illusion Subdiver1 and Rob Person 2 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargolf8 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 36 minutes ago, Subdiver1 said: It does look a lot like the Garsen Max. The testing done last year led me to using the Max on one putter and the Quad Tour. I included links to those testing forums your convenience. Hi there I had the Garsen Max on my putter prior and enjoyed it, for reference having had both it is a LOT bigger than the Garsen and considerably more tear dropped shaped but the bio mechanics would be the same the same I guess Rob Person and bens197 2 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargolf8 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 6 hours ago, bens197 said: Garsen seells a similar shaped grip and it's an interesting concept. I put this one on my MEZZ two years ago and putted with it for a few weeks before I gave up. https://garsengolf.com/collections/shop/products/max?variant=40870263750812 Hi there yes the Garsen max was my grip prior to this and is a lot smaller and more rounded, guess the science behind it would be the same though bens197 and Rob Person 2 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargolf8 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 8 hours ago, Rob Person said: Can you provide any pics of the hand position on the grip you were referring to? Hi Rob here’s a couple of pics from the website of the standard kotahi grip with a split grip as used by the designer in white and the undersized grip in my hands still “Palms Up” but overlapped in black. Kind regards Rob Person 1 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Thanks. His grip is definitely more spread out than I expected! From the first 2 pics I'd almost see myself wanting to rotate my hips. Gargolf8 1 Quote WITB-Foremost 551's - 3w, 5w, 5-SW (circa 1998), Top Flite 460cc Driver, Adam's 7w, Warrior GW and 60⁰, Odyssey AI-One DB putter. Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdiver1 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 1:31 PM, Gargolf8 said: Hi Rob here’s a couple of pics from the website of the standard kotahi grip with a split grip as used by the designer in white and the undersized grip in my hands still “Palms Up” but overlapped in black. Kind regards Crikey!!! That thing is a monster! I thought it looked a little larger than the Garsen in the original pics, but looking at the first two shots in this series, WOW! I guess you cannot fit that thing in a 14 slotted bag. Gargolf8 1 Quote Driver - Ping G400 9°, Project-X Evenflow Black 6.0S 65 gr. FW - TM M3 3-wood 15°, Project-X HZRDUS Red 6.0 75 gr. mid-spin Hybrid - TM M4 19°, Project-X Evenflow Black 6.0S 85 gr. HY Irons - TM P790, 3-PW, Oban CT-115, PXG 311 P Gen 6 Wedges - Mizuno T20 Ion blue 52/9 & 56/14, N.S. Pro Modus3 S-flex Putter - Evnroll ER2 Garsen Max grip Getting a grip - oversize Winn DryTacs and Bionic gloves Ball - ProV1, AVX, Maxfli Tour, PXG Bag(s)/cart - Vessel Player III Rovic RV1S and Alphard V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargolf8 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 6 hours ago, Subdiver1 said: Crikey!!! That thing is a monster! I thought it looked a little larger than the Garsen in the original pics, but looking at the first two shots in this series, WOW! I guess you cannot fit that thing in a 14 slotted bag. I would say it’s very tall and thin, it has no where near the girth of say a 2thumb grip but the top side stands high so the thumbs fit down the side. Haha so from side on it looks like it’s that size all the way around Rob Person and Subdiver1 2 Quote Paradym TD GD Tour AD UB 6x, Mizuno STG 3 wood Fuji Speeder V, Cal apex UW 19deg, Mizuno pro 225 4 iron, Mizuno pro 223 5-PW Project x 6.5 rifles, Vokey 50,54,58 Bettinardi bb28 slotback CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EugeGall Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just fitted this grip to my Odyssey Stroke Lab Seven in the last few weeks - my gamer is/was a Mizuno M-Craft VI fitted with a Zenergy XL Flatso 2.0+ and a 25g CounterCore weight. Grip weight of the Kotahi is 100g so not too much difference for me to notice. The "palms up" technique does take a lot of getting used to so before using on the course (last few weeks) I hit ball after ball on the matt at home. Initial findings for me so far in real use have been better consistency, certainly on line with my setup - my miss was a push. Another big plus is my lag putting has got so much better. Is it a game changer, well that's to be seen, but I'm loving it so far Rob Person 1 Quote Paradym 10.5 Project X Hzrdus Silver Paradym 3HL Project X Hzrdus Silver Paradym Heavenwood Project X Hzrdus Silver Paradym 4H Project X Hzrdus Silver EXS Pro Forged 5-PW True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff Glide 4.0 50/SS Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Tour 105 X Stiff (8i shaft) Glide 4.0 54/SS Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Tour 105 X Stiff (8i shaft) Glide 4.0 58/SS Nippon NS Pro Modus3 Tour 105 X Stiff (8i shaft) Stroke Lab Seven with Kotahi grip SD-01 ball, X5 Watch, 8.0+ MGS Galway Bay Rain Gear Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60769-galway-bay-rain-gear-2023-forum-review/ MGS Star Grip Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63328-star-grips-2024-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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