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16 minutes ago, Alan K said:
Good points, Ricky Bobby - If the LIV adopted OWGR eligibility guidelines, wouldn't that level the playing field, and we, the consumer, would be able to watch the best PGA and LIV players compete in all major and nonmajor tournaments?
It would help them, but as I said LOV leadership decided to not take the recommendations from the owgr board and implement them. Then pulled their application so until the either change their way of playing that meets the owgr criteria and reapply LIV will not receive owgr points and the members there will continue to slide down the ranking and lose out on opportunities for the majors unless they can perform well enough in them to eat a spot the following year or the next major. Right now Bryson has one year left of eligibility for the masters
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1 minute ago, Alan K said:
The LIV should adopt whatever it needs to do to make all the LIV players eligible for FedEx points, putting the LIV and PGA on equal footing. That means the LIV will adopt four-day tournaments, long pants, and no more loud techno crap music.
I believed gone confusing FedEx cup points and owgr points.
FedEx cup points are awarded to golfers who play on pga tour events, LIV would never be eligible for those.
Owgr points is what they need to be able to qualify for playing in majors if they aren’t already exempt. They had the chance to do this and told the owgr board no thanks and then later went on to pull their application. LIV leadership doesn’t care to abide by the norms of the professional tours that participate in owgr
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Scottie leads in all the important strokes gained category. He is the best golfer right now. He understands his game, what he wants to do and what not to do on the course. He doesn’t let what’s happening around him influence his decisions.
He couldn’t get to conservative because that opens the door for mistakes to happen on his part. They have a strategy for each hole and they stuck to it.
golf comes down to who can execute the game plan the best
- Middler, GaDawg and JohnSmalls
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1 hour ago, Shrek74 said:
I'm usually looking for specific topics that relate to an issue I may be dealing with (bad wrist angle, flipping at impact, and poor hip rotation primarily)
This is where going it alone and using YouTube is bad.
flipping is a symptom and is actually necessary to hit the ball for those that do it. Same for early extension. Because of something else being done wrong in the swing the club is out of position. If you didn’t flip you would hit the ball or or miss it completely.
Similar to hip rotation. There are different things that can cause that. Such as hips moving too early in the swing, bad pressure shifts. So the poor hip rotation could be a fault or a symptom. Have to identify why it’s happening.
Similar with bad wrist angles. In the takeaway it could be a misunderstanding or not understanding at all how the wrists are supposed to work. In transition it’s either a fault because of same as the takeaway or a symptom of whats done in the takeaway.
1 hour ago, Shrek74 said:I watch Porzak Golf and Eric Cogorno for more swing tips and more targeted drills and explanations of stuff. I'll also pick up some stuff from Ali Taylor Golf and GolfPass channels ocassionally.
This where it’s both good and bad. Both these channels are very good for instruction which is good and also rather than looking at the issues in the early quote following their drills as doing them over and over is where the focus should be as they will fix all the symptoms mentioned above.
the bad is that these two have different approaches to the swing and depending on what one is doing their drill could cause a problem the other was actually fixing. They have different philosophies on pressure shift and turn. They are similar in wrist set. They are somewhat different in the transition and downswing.
conflicting thoughts can delay progress when working on the swing
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Most equipment debates come down to people holding onto notions, concepts, etc that have been debunked by data. They end up holding onto old things because there haven’t read up on the new information, stick to their favorite sources for reading and so on.
Similar to things like fittings and their usefulness. Usually comes down to unrealistic expectations, misunderstanding of what fittings are, etc.
The biggest equipment debate is that pros are playing something different than what is at retail and that bifurcation already exists because of this and the course setups also are so different that it’s also bifurcation
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18 minutes ago, Jeffers said:
All things being equal, amount of spin, distance off center, etc. For a righty does a draw versus a fade roll farther? Does a fade have backwards spin versus a draw having forward spin or do they both have forward spin? My best drives have a slight fade and I rarely hit a draw.
All balls have backspin and some amount of side spin at launch. The angle of descent plays a role in what the ball does once it hits the ground as does ground conditions.
A fade is more controllable because the amount of roll out will generally be less and therefore more controllable results.
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I have enough understanding of grind and bounce.
I don’t worry about them to often because I play similar style courses and sand so my setup doesn’t change. But if I go somewhere where Bermuda is the primary type of grass of bunkers get too fluffy or hardly any sand then I have to figure out how to make what I have work.
The great thing is there are a number of fitting tools and information on the OEMs sites to help guide decisions.
How one hits shots is going to play a role in what they need. How often and how much does one open the face on shots. What clubs are used for full swings, half swings, bunker play, how does one chip and pitch.
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He’s been posturing for an offer ever since it was reported members there didn’t like him.
He’s done a 180 on the whole thing in the last few months. And like I said way back when they all have a price. Never trust someone who will go back on the beliefs. Rahm wonders why he got the cold shoulder from some this weekend. It’s easy, go back on everything because of the money and people will stop trusting you
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45 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:
I agree and for me personally I found one that helped me get that "feel" of how to shallow my swing but in the end need that one on one in person lesson to really make a long term change.
It can also lead to plenty of bad habits and attempts at "quick" fixes that all of us want. Ha.
There are some great videos out there for sure but also plenty of bad ones. Can you recreate or mimick it long term.... possibly, in the right scenario but I'm liking my new coach and will continue utilizing him over the interwebs these days.
Having a coach especially a competent one is going to make things easier and usually faster. The coach is going to identify the issues and usually the bigger ones and address what can get the golfer playing better sooner while also workin on improving the swing as a whole.
most golfers have issues identifying the cause and what needs to change. I was in the a competent online coach can help as much as an in person coach. Over the last 6 months or so of watching swing journeys via online coaching I’m leaning more toward only a small amount of golfers can benefit from online lessons even with a competent coach
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11 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:
Don't disagree at all. Just like any change and being able to go back to the basics of that "feel" from time to time. Youtube can be overwhelming if that’s the sole focus of trying to learn from there. I found temp fixes from there but at the end it's my coach that I hope to find the final solutions from.
Yeah I don’t like the feel thing because it’s something that comes and go. When it comes to YouTube and finding feels it’s bad because not all feels will work for everyone and you don’t have someone there who gave you the feel watching wha you are doing and asking your quietus and ensuring you are heads down the right path. Most people lack the understanding of the concepts of the golf swing and how to apply feels to them. It’s why I have changed my opinion a bit about online lessons. Have seen too many not be able to make the adjustments and either make no progress or go backward because they got turned around on what they were supposed to be doing.
for YouTube golf instructors that focus on teaching a movement for each pet of the swing or teaching the swing are far better options if one is going to use these videos as a source for going at it alone and why I only post videos of the instructors who have drills and not the here’s how to fix a slice or whatever swing fault. Band aids only last so long
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4 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:
I think if you can determine good from bad youtube, there are some good trainings on there. Only caveat would be, being able to recreate that same feel on the practice range.
Here in lies the issue. Feels come and go. When making a change you have to create a movement. One can have a feel for that specific movement and try to work on that but that feel may also change over time as the movement becomes more natural
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Other than for sentimental reasons Tiger retiring has no bearing on the future of golf. His chances of winning or being competitive again are over. He’s already well into golf dad mode.
Other than for a few minutes a caddie losing his job on any bag isn’t a big deal.
Outside of the merger talk and some fans being confused by everything the pga tour has golfers that are fun to watch and we have a chance to see if Scottie can continue to push himself and go on a long run like a Phil, Vijay, Tiger or even someone like a Spieth or Rory. His putter change has been a game changer and with his strokes gained dominance he has the potential. Just a matter if his first three priorities get in the way of golf.
homa is going to break out with a major win. Of all the hyped golfers of recent years Åberg might be the one to standout although Bhatia is finally showing some signs of promise
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On 4/14/2024 at 5:05 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:
https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/the-bryson-experience-is-just-what-the-doctor-ordered-for-the-masters/
What do you guys think of 3-D printed irons?Wilson was doing 3d printed drivers during the DVD show for initial testing.
tech has come a long way and 3d printing is and will a part of it. Like with anything else in golf if they work for the individual using them then enjoy the game with them
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3 hours ago, Bill Galinas said:
I have to make an addendum to my earlier comment: what is the objection to cargo shorts? This is something I truly do not understand. As I get older I find that I have more stuff in my pockets than I ever did. Cargo shorts offer those extra pockets I require to give me peace of mind. Can someone advise me the objectionability of cargo shorts?
Cargo shorts and pants serve a purpose which is more for those who work in trades that need to have pockets for carrying different things.
they are super casual and really have no place in a wardrobe for any function that’s not related to doing some form of yardwork, home repair/construction, etc.
even the TW Nike single pocket cargo shorts looked bad
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Due to loft 3w is one of the hardest clubs to hit off the deck and for some off the tee. Then add in whatever swing issues from a beginners swing and it becomes event harder to hit.
something between 16.5-19° wood is going to be a much better solution for most golfers regardless of handicap/skill level. Especially if one is lacking in speed.
the results will be more consistent and distance will be as long if not longer with the higher loft because of better launch conditions.
i would suggest not even playing a fairway wood initially and learn how to swing first before adding in that part of the bag
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21 minutes ago, Mike10487 said:
Ok maybe I should clear this statement up. I apologize to some regular albeit "very sensitive" humans. LOL
Yes, if you take 1" off the butt, you will feel a difference in swing weight. If you take a 1/4" it might change from D1 to a D0. I personally cannot tell the difference between D-1 and D-0. A D-2 to a D0. Yes, I can feel that as well. Now the same 1/4" off the tip makes a world of difference in feel to me. Most golfers do not even understand or know what their driver swing weight is. You will however hear them say "man that's light, man that feels heavy" when trying a new club. So that furthers your point and which I've never even thought about. I've never tested a tip trim for swing weight changes. Sounds like an interesting test for someone.....
swingweight and total weight are measurements that some care about more than others. For some me included wish the whole swingweight thing would go away. who cares if someone knows their swingweight or total weight of their club. It’s not an important value to know when you hold or swing a club and can fee that it’s too light or too heavy. Feel is a bigger part to how we swing the club than some want to give it credit for and think that all that matters is some number on a scale.
yes for some even a single swing weight point can be felt. And yes for some the total weight of a club can feel light or heavy. Just because it takes ore of change for you to feel a difference doesn’t mean everyone is that way or that some aren’t sensitive. It’s still a real thing for the regular golfer and not some phenomenon that only the elite golfers can tell something is off. Yes they are probably more sensitive to a change than a regular golfer. Painting broad strokes about anything in golf is usually a bad thing because we are all unique in our preferences and sensitivities.
Amateurs can see and be affected by how a club sits just like a pro. And if it looks off it will affect their swing.
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12 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:
Breaking News Mike - the game of golf has changed and you need to change with it.
It’s not just whan, the suits in both ruling bodies were looking at this before whan, he decided that there was no better time come over than to help push it. For someone so dedicated to growing the lpga he helped create a distance loss for them without any input from them. The MLR was only supposed to affect elite male golf. Not really anything for lpga to worry about. A few months pass and with the tours and pga of America saying take the mlr and shove it, the RBs then decided to affect the lpga and their feeder tour with a distance reduction.
16 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:But the USGA promises only 3 to 5 yards... moving my average to 224-226 yards. Notice the chart graphics show a larger visual spread between the player groups yet the numeric spread for each group is only 2 yards. Anyone else a little dubious?
Exactly. It’s the whole trust us thing, our data doesnt make sense but trust us we know what we are saying. Watch interview with whan and you can see he has a hard time believing what he’s sayin.
18 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:This weeks Masters would not look or play out any differently were the neutered ball in play. It certainly will not protect the "at risk courses" or the whatever word salad line of reasoning Whan came up with regarding the games heritage.
The guys at the top of the leaderboard aren’t you distance leaders.
Scotty is way down the list this year and in his career. So what is it Augusta is trying to protect? Have it so that only a handful are under par and the leader doesn’t reach 10 under par.
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On 4/13/2024 at 9:26 AM, Tom Ryan said:
I was seen by a Doctor at the Buffalo VA emergency room. No Xrays just an exam of motion, and resistance testing of muscles.
As a certified personal trainer if you were to come to me as a client I would refer you to a PT for an evaluation and then either let the PT clear you for exercise or if the PT felt you needed further medical clearance the PT would refer you out to a doctor/specialist to be cleared.
There are a a few or so exercises i would recommend someone to work on the hip but without a full medical clearance I won’t give any examples.
There are several pre has/rehab type YouTube channels that get into the exercises as well
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38 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said:
definitely agree that this isn't going to matter to most golfers out there, but that isn't the way advertising works.
If there is a 7% loss of distance for the pros ther will be a 5-7% loss for amateurs. It’s not possible to have a ball lose 7% for the high speed player and only lose a couple yards for the slow swing player. It’s at most 1-2% difference between high speed players and slow swing players when it comes to distance loss. So that 5% off a 220yard drive is 11 yards. Golfers will notice that. And less say someone’s best drive is 220 and their average driver is 215ish or they know when they hit their normal miss it’s 210. Golfers know these things so while they maybe inconsistent in their distance they know their distances. They will be able to tell when they lost distance on their good and bad shots
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25 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said:
Yes but there is a huge difference between being named non-conforming and being not eligible for high level play where a model local rule is in play. I don't see those being the same at all.
When. Rey are marked noncormfing they will be ineligible for high level play because the high level pay uses the rules of golf. So unless someone has a stash of current balls or there is stock in the store/online there is going to be a point in 2027 or 2028 where the only ball that is available for purchase is the new conforming ball because inventory will have dried up. Even though the rule doesn’t take affect til 2030 for non professional golf the balls have to meet that spec in Oct of 2027. So all new balls released in 2027 will have to conform to the rule. Titleist would have a release in Jan 2027. It’s possible they don’t release an update
29 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said:The fact that left dot and left dash existed in the first place without being on retail shelves kind of proves the point that they weren't playing the same ball right? They were making small runs of these balls just for those half dozen or so pros and now they make small batches just for custom orders since left dot still isn't in retail stores. No reason to think they don't have the ability to continue producing a small run of balls for the pros and others competing in these events where the model local rule is in effect.
These balls were prototype balls that both led to retail version of balls, but Titleist kept them for the handful of tour players that used them. They are made from the same material as the Prov1 and prov1x, they meet all the same specs. They aren’t some special ball that’s completely different than the retail ball. The difference in spin and launch between them is equivalent to the variations regular golfer sees in 1/4-3/8” difference in contact on the driver face.
Same with this notion that pros are playing clubs we don’t. They have all the same specs that we use. The manufacturer might choose to make a 8.5° head for one of their pros. It’s not a different driver than you or I have it. It’s just a sku that note offered at retail because the market isn’t there for it.
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4 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said:
Why do people think that the balls that most amateurs are playing is going to disappear from the market just because the pros can't use them?
So let’s see from history. When things are banned or marked no longer conforming by the ruling bodies they stopped getting made by the major OEMs. The groove rule is the perfect example. Even though the 4 year warning hasn’t been issued the major OEMs stopped making clubs with the old grooves.
now let’s look at the balls. Starting October 2027 all balls that wish to be on the conforming list have to meet the new spec. So why will manufacturers make a product that is conconforming beyond Oct 2027? They won’t. They will phase out the current spec balls in 2026 and beginning of 2027.
8 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said:A lot of the pros are already not playing the same balls that we can buy on the retail shelf and this would just be a continuation of that.
Incorrect. The majority of pros play the retail version of the balls. We can use the left dash as an example. Prior to it becoming a retail ball less than 10 tour pros were using it. It was even less for the left dot.
Callaway had very few pros playing anything other than the retail ball. They couldn’t even make a version of the ball that worked for Sergio so he broke his contract to play tp5 again. The balls the pros play are made of the same materials that fw retail balls are made from and they all meet the same ODS measurements and initial velocity.
This notion that the pros are playing some kind of special ball isn’t true.
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48 minutes ago, stevelandrum said:
Worth using. maybe not everytime you practice. Go to LOwes or Home Depot and get them and they are less than 3 bucks each. Some good drills you can do as well as helping alignment
And yet most pros use them every session for alignment. If the best in world have sticks down for alignment and/or ball position it’s probably a good idea for the amateur golfer to do the same.
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39 minutes ago, EnderinAZ said:
So we are saying the same thing in a different way. The feels you are referring above are the swing habits I referred to earlier and said because of the habit you cannot tell if the swing is wrong because it feels right. This is why I said make a video.
It’s a trained eye that can look at a swing and see what’s going on. Most people do what feels natural and in a golf swing isn’t natural. Most people develop bad habits because things feel powerful or natural. So yes it may feel that way but it’s not correct. Or they may have a misunderstanding of concepts in golf. Like one of the big things is people here backswing and downswing and think they are two separate things and in the golfswing they are blended with the transition.
Many people misunderstand the concept of weight shift and pressure shift.
so when we look at a swing we have to identify the cause of the issues not the symptoms. These are the feels I’m talking about. Not feeling the body doing something like in yoga.
the problem with video is that most people don’t know how to analyze and identify what their cause is but rather their symptoms. Some will post they are working on early extnension but don’t know how to fix it or that early extension has to happen in order for them to hit the ball because what they are doing in the swing requires it and if they didn’t do it they would hit the ball worst. So just saying make a video doesn’t help the majority of the people.
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Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News
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Not really. They don’t want to change how people can get in and relegation. This was the biggest concern from the owgr.
They also pulled their application so it’s not even under consideration anymore by the owgr board. So they would have to reapply and go thru the process all over again which I doubt they will do
if they go to 72 holes it will be interesting to see if they change their name. LIV = 54