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My range/practice time has kind of evolved the last several years. I invested in a quality golf net and applicable mats, training aids I like in order to practice mechanics through various drills. Also good for my lie angle checks since I can easily make club adjustments since everything I need is at my home (club making equipment). When I do visit the driving range or range at the golf course I play I am not worrying about mechanics as much as I use to. That range time is mainly to get loose pre round and identify ball flight, striking consistencies for the day. Occasionally I will hit demo clubs and/or a friends club or two should I be interested. For fun its something like Top Golf. I gave up trying to have fun a the regular driving range as it never fails I get interrupted or see old friends, etc and just lose my focus. So the driving range has to have a specific purpose and I try to zero in on that and not over do it or arrive at times when the range is overly crowded (hard to predict sometimes). Very much like @cnosiloriginal post above.

Awesome. Sounds like you know what you need and the price range you're in. Quality options either way you choose. Others have solid recommendations as well. Good luck.

Do you play Pro V1's? Are you sure the ~$100 difference does not include additional testing/fitting? IF I played ProV1 and/or identified something extra for the more expensive option, I probably would opt for it. IF NOT, then I would save some money. Trackman fitting is nice, good luck.

If you do a search on ebay there should be results that show that possibly identify the shaft you are interested in. You might also contact Callaway customer service for information. Good luck.

So soft step for example would be when you take a 8 iron shaft (tip prep / "how much is trimmed") and install in a 9 iron. The 9 iron is still the same length it just has a now weaker tip flexed shaft. It helps one achieve a similar albeit possibly softer feel (pending make/brand shaft) but plays a half a shaft flex weaker. That may be all it takes to regain a little lost distance/spin. Stepping shafts is very subjective regarding like feel and for many all it would do is increase possible spin and not achieve desired distance. I just offer this idea up as something you may try some time. Many take old clubs first and experiment before jumping all in with their gamers. From my experience the make/model/design of the shaft affects whether or not one achieves what they are after when stepping shafts. Being a club maker I have experimented with soft stepping and hard stepping shafts for a lot of years. It can work for some and some it does not at all as there are just so many variables in place when it comes to distance/spin/shot height, etc.

My distance gaps improved when I went to ~4 deg loft gap and/or experimented with soft stepping shafts in 9, PW and GW. While I don't necessarily from a swing speed perspective fit to firm/stiff flex steel shafts, I like the feel and was able to achieve distances and feel I desired through soft stepping the firmer/stiff steel shafts in those clubs.

That is awesome. Now I am inspired and have many ideas . Great work.

Me too. Bout 6yr old when I first experienced it from family member.

Love the feel of that Tour Snsr/blue grip. While I don't play it now I have in past. Additionally I wanted to share that at one period of time I enjoyed the Garsen type grips as they seem to quiet my hands or rather I did not open/close putter as much. I may go back to those on a few of my backup putters.

While I am intent on fitting my on lie angle specs, the following quote is from MGS T. Covey in comments section that I find interesting regarding the F9's. "How does this relate to lie angles? The answer lies in shaft deflection and droop. The faster you swing a club, the more the toe drops down. As a result, to achieve repeatable dynamic lie angles at impact, static lie angles need to be different (because, as it turns out, head speeds aren’t the same). I should point out that this concept isn’t unique to ONE Length. Wedge manufacturers (like Vokey for example) have moved to lie angles flatter than the standard progression would call for. Why? Less force with the wedge swing creates less relative droop. Going flatter helps normalize impact lie. (source: T.Covey -- https://mygolfspy.com/2019-cobra-f9-speedback-irons/)" Sure if someone reached out to Cobra customer service they may can gather more information. Makes me want to get get some numbers/test with various One Length models. Thanks for pointing this out and posting.

I played a few sleeves of Vice several years ago. Loved the feel but the durability wasn't there for me. But it's encouraging to see improvement with most recent testing. Might have to try again. While I game Snell I still buy just about everything else to test and use in my golf net. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

So I prefer Wishon for several reasons but I would have no issue gaming Cobra (and I have in the past). I am a seasoned club maker and decent with fitting (will never claim expert status as technologies evolve so fast and I can not keep up with it, so I trust fitting myself/family but would not fit anyone else knowing there are more modern/qualified people with current technologies that can do better--I digress ). To point, imo the Wishon Sterlings "feel" better (very subjective I know). I have decades of experience with Wishon and trust his knowledge/design methodologies. Wishon would most likely expect you to be fit and his models adjusted to your final specs. In other words you might order stock spec (loft and lie) Sterlings and even choose a length based on static fitting say 37.5" but the loft and lie angles may need to be adjusted. With the Cobra's I see its a true one size fits all-- whatever the length you choose, the loft and lie are Cobra standards. Now I am sure Cobra or any qualified fitter can dial the Cobra's in to your true required specs I just don't think that is the business model for Cobra. So I don't see Wishon and Cobra the same. One is meant to be custom fit for all fitting variables and one is off the shelf and you have to request any special loft/lie tweaks. I have hit both and the newer models, again I am leaning towards Wishon but if you gave me a set of Cobras its on me to get them dialed in and I would game them. Regarding lie angles, the Cobras per their web page are the same : https://www.cobragolf.com/king-f7-one-length-iron-set . All have a 62.5 lie angle in stock configuration. Maybe they do believe in different stock lie angles vs what Wishon stock lie angles are but again, most that game Wishon get their specs fitted and dialed in up front -- loft/lie and length at a minimum.

Is it this one? https://www.aldila.com/products/rogue-white-130-msi ROGUE® White 130 M.S.I. 70 S 46 73 0.335 3 0.616 3.7 MID Tip Trimming Information Driver 3 Wood 5 Wood 7 Wood 9 Wood 0" 0.5" 0.75" 1.0" 1.0" There are several people on MGS that are very good experts regarding recommending shaft information. Hopefully they will chime in. I just did a basic web search. Apologies if this is not the exact model shaft you have.

Hope you get to play soon. Regarding pulling putts, what size/brand putter grip are you using? Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

That is awesome that you got to participate in a truly custom shaft created to your desires/fitting needs. Man wouldn't that be nice if it were feasible for all golfers to go and be able to have a fit shaft actually fit and feel right each time? Guess I can dream for a day.....

Today I prefer the Snell brand golf balls. The Snell MTB-Black is my current gamer of choice and the Snell Get Sum is my practice ball (short irons, wedges, chipping and putting) for home practice areas. Occasionally I will go back to ProV1's should my family get me those as gifts. For some reason they know the Titleist brand as I played them for so many years and well, they are Titleist after all -- "number one brand golf ball in golf". Both Titleist and Snell have excellent reviews and balls in multiple price ranges. MGS has excellent ball lab reviews and there are quality consistent brands in all price ranges.

So I can relate regarding rhythm and tempo with long clubs to short ones. Something I have battled for years. No swing expert here. There are numerous examples of discussions in MGS forums in which people chronicle their swing journey and methodologies. Good reads and hopefully many will chime in here. With that stated I am currently listening, researching what Mike Adams teaches regarding how one swings based on physical characteristics including something I think is pretty cool, how we walk or rather our pace can possibly dictate how our swing tempo/rhythm should function. I won't try to explain as to be honest I am still in research/test mode. What I will convey is another instructor of mine was adamant ones sequence (i.e. all moves in the back swing to transition down) greatly affects timing and rhythm/tempo. So with me a longer club revealed swing/transition inconsistencies vs my short irons. So I worked on hitting my positions better with a longer club which may or may not have felt slower or controlled vs a natural smooth swing with say my eight iron......Again sure others will share info. Good luck.

I use product like Bar Keepers Friend MORE Spray + Foam Multipurpose Spray Cleanser and Rust Stain Remover on some of my iron club heads. Any club head that has insert, medallion on back or other material (graphite/carbon fiber) I only use dish soap (mild amount). There is also jewelry polishes that I have seen articles about in years past but I don't use those. Sometimes the cleaning is not the issue, the clubs due to finish need polishing. There is web information on various cleaning/bringing clubs back to shine also that I have reviewed. Good luck.

So I confess I bought one last year or year before. I have the thick indoor one but have hit balls in net and rigged it for chips. It won't lie, if you are prone to flipping as I am it will reveal it. I only like it for chipping drills and I can see my divot patterns for the various chips/pitches I am practicing for the course. I do not like it for full swing shots. Have seen the outdoor ones at local driving range. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Curious, does it happen with water activated grip tape/tape or grips put on w/air vs solvents? Reason I ask is I read a comment (another forum or manufacturer website, etc) once where a guy was asking big time chemical compound like questions to the site regarding if a brand grip used a chemical in its production of the grip.. I think the bottom line was that the guy had sensitivity to rubber compounds/or specific types of rubber synthetics. May not be related to your situation but thought I'd mention.Hope you figure it out. Good luck. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

I agree with your comments. Well stated. Titleist been doing golf balls decades and have perfected their processes/learned things over time. Kinda like Ping with its clubs/golf bags. Regardless if you play those brands, they have earned respect and most agree they have done it the right way. Personally like ChromeSoft but prefer Snell (just score better with it). Sincerely hope Callaway succeeds with a quality golf ball product, I mean they are doing a lot things right with their AI, face technologies. Obviously golf ball business for Callaway is good but their golf ball business could be legitimate contender for #1 ball on market if they get everything clicking. Sincerely hope they do. Consumers win with more quality choices.

This thread and the dialog in everyones responses made me think about a lesson from an instructor I saw one time. Now at that time I was experimenting with face balanced putter and a more straight back straight thru (SBST) putting motion. The instructor was against forward press motion (which I naturally do depending on mood/type greens I play) and toe hang putter models. In order to articulate what the instructor stated, I researched web and decided to borrow the quote/link below which is nearly verbatim what the instructor stated. " Let’s talk about what a forward press is. It’s the “changing of a vector… which is a power angle, like hitting a cue ball with a cue…” In general, forward presses are trying to take away left aim. This delofts the putter and opens the face" (source of quote:https://golfcritique.com/podcasts/forward-press-is-it-really-improving-your-putting/ ). It was the fact that my strong arc motion had to having near perfect timing to achieve square contact. I have always putted with arc/lots of opening/closing face. And I agree if I am off I miss. Guess growing up playing hard fast bent grass can do that . The SBST was an attempt to improve. But with 40+ years of timing my stroke I guess I will live with the risk. Its natural to me. The SBST attempt just never felt right--distance control was never there. Sorry not trying to change the discussion of this thread, the forward press kinda brings back a lot memories and I am ok with it.

You reference quality proven wedge brands that work for most with & w/out being fit to. I prefer lots of testing/proper custom fit. I have several friends that just buy off rack based on loft and do just fine without any fitting or testing beforehand. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

I have wondered as well. Tried to observe him on TV several times. I thought he did albeit not as pronounced as I have seen in past but it could have been viewing angle. And I have wondered if the type greens/speed affect his stroke mechanics? Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

I have that one and it should be fine for you and/or anyone beginning club making/repair. Would recommend watching videos (web), and investing in the club shield paste (protects from heat). Lots of knowledge in forums where clubmakers recommend/share knowledge. Good luck. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk