CaptStang Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I purchased a Gen 3 PXG driver with my "own" on line fitting from the PXG website. I wasn't completely happy with my choices and during a visit to my son in Dallas where PXG opened their first retail store, we went in for a look. He was friends with the new manager and after discussion, I setup for a complete fitting session. The results were pretty amazing. I tested my setup and then went through their technical fitting. I ended up with a Gen 4 driver, different loft, and substantially upgraded shaft (meaning more $$$). It was expensive but my drives typically flew and rolled out 15 yards longer and dispersion was very slight. Would I do it again knowing this was going to be an expensive choice-yes, in a minute. Shapotomous 1 Quote Golf Gear Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tm2404 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I’ve hit a bunch of different premium shafts over the years and never seen real improvement over the stock shaft. Maybe 5 yards in distance or dispersion. Then fujikura released the Ventus Velocore line and now I’m never going back. That shaft is better for me in any driver head you give me by a substantial margin. I can hardly believe sometimes just how much is knocks my dispersion down when I hit other clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Inferno2ss said: I got fitted for the Sim 2 Max last year and ended up upgrading to the HZRDUS Smoke Green shaft and feel it was well worth it. I think the shaft has given me a few more yards but more importantly a lot more consistency as it is more geared towards my swing. I think the right shaft, flex and weight is more important than the driver head itself, most of the new drivers are all fantastic. The head is far more responsible for launch conditions than the shaft. the role of the shaft is to provide weight and feel. Unless one was in an ill fitted shaft a shaft change isn’t going to significantly change anything. Theres plenty of information all over the internet that talks about this but here is a good thread from a well respected fitter https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1860305-shafts-when-to-change-and-when-to-tweak-lofts/ 11 hours ago, Miinike said: I am a senior age player and I like to swing the Xstiff shafts with low torque tips. The low torque tip allow you to have control of the ball, preventing over-sidespinning of the ball. The dispersion is tight, keeps you on the short grass and low/optimum spinning ball will give you a bit more distance. So I don't bother with the brand it is how you swing that will give you a better result. I currently swing the UST Mamiya ProForce V2 8F4. 1.8 torque. Previous shaft was a Matrix Ozik Black 60 Xstiff. 2.8 torque. even though they may feel a little heavy, the results are great for me. Torque these days are for feel and it’s not necessarily torque in the tip as torque isn’t measured at the tip and torque like flex has no standard in the industry. It’s measured differently by each company and with different machines. 11 hours ago, Everardo said: There are several videos on YouTube about this exact thing and most show the aftermarket one performs slightly better BUT I will say more importantly is getting fit and then having that shop properly build the clubs to the exact total weight, swing weight, CPM or flex, weight sorted, etc. You could have the best fitting but a DIY or crappy club builder can mess it all up. These are anecdotal to that user. There are plenty of videos especially from mark Crossfield that shows shafts don’t make much difference. There’s one from txg that shows Matt having similar results between the non velocore ventus and the aftermaket version. Also several years back two club manufacturers performed tests with shafts ranging from lightweight soft flex shafts up to the shafts used by long drive champions and there was minimal difference between each shaft. it’s the human factor and how the feel, weight and balance of a shaft and club have on a persons swing that will affect how the club is delivered and thus how the ball will launch and spin Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckZ Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 1/6/2017 at 2:23 PM, JudgeSmails said: So I have never played a driver with anything but the stock shaft it came with. For those of you that have gotten fitted and purchased a premium shaft for you driver, did you see real gains in distance and accuracy? I normally play a regular flex shaft, I've always kind of considered the premium shafts to be for harder swingers, am I wrong? Just curious on your thoughts if this is something you went through.....With all the new drivers coming out, seems like there is very little performance difference from model to model, I'm wondering if a premium shaft could be a better investment for someone (just got an M1 last year, so not in the market for a driver, but wonder if a shaft would be worth looking into) Thanks. Have always played Fujikura Speeder shafts in my Driver, Fairway and Hybrids. When I bought my new TSi3 driver those shafts were longer a standard shaft and had to upgrade to get those shafts. The upgrade was worth it, because I got the numbers we were looking for. At 76 and getting 225 carry, hey, what can I say. On good days (when back and hips not hurting), with the Prov1x left dash, have hit it over 260 with carry. Quote Driver - TSi3 10.75* - Fujikura Speeder 661 TR Fairway - TSi2 14.25* - Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 6.1 Fairway - TSR1 17.0* - Fujikura Vista Pro 65S Hybrid - TSR1 19.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75 Hybrid - TSR1 23.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75 Irons - T350 (2023) - 5-48W - True Temper AMT Red 95g-107g Wedges - Vokey SM9 - 52.08F, 56.10S, 58.08M ** GolfPride MCC +4 Midsize Grips (all woods/irons/wedges) Putter - 2023 Scotty Cameron Super Select Squareback 2 35" ** Superstroke 1.0 Pistol Grip Golf Ball - TITLEIST - Prov1 (2023) Golf Bags - TITLEIST - Cart 14 (black), Mid Size Tour (black/white) Golf Glove - FootJoy (StaSof), Shoes, Apparel and Outerwear Rangefinder - Bushnell Pro XE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, ChuckZ said: Have always played Fujikura Speeder shafts in my Driver, Fairway and Hybrids. When I bought my new TSi3 driver those shafts were longer a standard shaft and had to upgrade to get those shafts. The upgrade was worth it, because I got the numbers we were looking for. At 76 and getting 225 carry, hey, what can I say. On good days (when back and hips not hurting), with the Prov1x left dash, have hit it over 260 with carry. A lot of the speeder shafts were made for. The speeder evo were typically upgraded shafts for all brands which seem to be the only ones offered these days and the atmos have become the no upcharge offerings and aren’t as much made for like the speeder Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesman57 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 10:58 AM, JudgeSmails said: Yes Sir.....hit the Golf Garage https://www.golfgaragefw.com/ David is awesome and will take care of you JudgeSmails 1 Quote G430 Max HL Max Driver G430 Max HL 5- and 7-Woods G430 Max HL 4-Hybrid T300 6-GW Irons Glide 3.0 52 and 58 degree Wedges Vokey SM9 56 degree Sand Wedge BB-8W Putter ProV1x Balls Semper ubi, sub ubi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeSmails Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Bluesman57 said: took me a minute to get that .. lol Quote Driver: TR20 10.5* Hybrids: Epic SuperHybrid 3 18* Epic 4h 23* Irons: JPX900 Hot Metal 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 52* 56* 60* Putter: EV8 Ball: Tour BXS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVMAN Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Titleist TPI in Oceanside fit me with a TS2 driver & fairway and an actual Mitsubishi Diamana after market shaft. I brought my Ping G400MAX w/Ping Tour Shaft for comparisons, which they requested. I hit the Ping just as far and accurately as the Titleist. I did keep the shaft and it is now in my Ping G425MAX. Quote Certified Club Fitter. Ping G425 Max Driver 10.5° w/Fujikura Ventus TR Ping G425 Max 5-7-9 Fairway Woods w/Ping Alta CB Ping G425 Irons 5-U w/Ping Alta CB (Power-Spec Lofts) Ping 4.0 Eye2 Glide Wedges 54°-58° w/Recoil SmacWrap Ping Redwood ZB Putter w/PP58 PING Pioneer Cart Bag Lamkin Sonar+ Wrap Mid-Size Grips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Pegram Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 1/6/2017 at 11:59 AM, revkev said: I know that MGS has done studies on this and being fitted for the proper shaft matters. There is no form fast rule that an $800 shaft will automatically be the better fit either. Swing speed is only one factor in fitting so it does matter for a guy who would typically need a R type shaft. Having written that I was fitted for my SLDR but saw an uptic in distance and accuracy when I demod the Patterson Shaft 2 years ago. I went for a driver fitting 6 months ago and the combo of that shaft with my G30 head worked best for me. Sent from my VS986 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Paderson makes extremely good shafts. They weave the fibers under the correct tension to get the flex they want as well as bend point, torque, etc. They apparently change the tension as they weave the shaft in order to do that. Their black shafts look better than those ugly yellowish lime green color (which are the top of the line), but they perform. Quote Callaway 816 Alpha DBD driver, 3 wood, 5 wood, Alpha 815 3 hybrid, RAZR X Forged cavity back irons 3-AW, 54-14 MD4 wedge, Maltby MS+ wide grind 60 degree lob wedge, 37 inch Rife Swithback Two putter. All clubs overlength - 47 inch driver, 45 inch 3wood, 44 inch 5 wood, 41 inch 3 hybrid, 39.5 inch 5 iron with other irons in line with that. All clubs graphite shafted and X-flex except flex of putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Pegram Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 6:11 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: The head is far more responsible for launch conditions than the shaft. the role of the shaft is to provide weight and feel. Unless one was in an ill fitted shaft a shaft change isn’t going to significantly change anything. Theres plenty of information all over the internet that talks about this but here is a good thread from a well respected fitter https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1860305-shafts-when-to-change-and-when-to-tweak-lofts/ Torque these days are for feel and it’s not necessarily torque in the tip as torque isn’t measured at the tip and torque like flex has no standard in the industry. It’s measured differently by each company and with different machines. These are anecdotal to that user. There are plenty of videos especially from mark Crossfield that shows shafts don’t make much difference. There’s one from txg that shows Matt having similar results between the non velocore ventus and the aftermaket version. Also several years back two club manufacturers performed tests with shafts ranging from lightweight soft flex shafts up to the shafts used by long drive champions and there was minimal difference between each shaft. it’s the human factor and how the feel, weight and balance of a shaft and club have on a persons swing that will affect how the club is delivered and thus how the ball will launch and spin It depends on how the shaft reacts to the golfer's swing. I used to square up the face at the last split second before impact (according to FlightScope). When I tried higher torque shafts they didn't close in time and I hit the ball to the right. Low torque shafts would hit the ball straight. I have since fixed my swing so my timing isn't so finicky. I don't know if it would make as much difference now. Quote Callaway 816 Alpha DBD driver, 3 wood, 5 wood, Alpha 815 3 hybrid, RAZR X Forged cavity back irons 3-AW, 54-14 MD4 wedge, Maltby MS+ wide grind 60 degree lob wedge, 37 inch Rife Swithback Two putter. All clubs overlength - 47 inch driver, 45 inch 3wood, 44 inch 5 wood, 41 inch 3 hybrid, 39.5 inch 5 iron with other irons in line with that. All clubs graphite shafted and X-flex except flex of putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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