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Hey guys I got fit for a set of irons last year, and I think I might have gotten to caught up with trying to get longer. I am a solid scratch golfer, I drive it straight and have a good short game and putt well. Irons have always been the issue. When I am on I can go low, but more times than not if I am going to play bad its going to be because of the irons. It might not be a horrible round but I just don't hit it close or miss greens I shouldn't 

I went to a fitting at Club Champion last summer looking to get a new set of irons and gain a little bit of distance. I hit a lot of different irons and shafts, it came down to Mizuno MP20 HMB and Ping i210. For shafts the 2 best were Steelfiber 110Cw and Project X LZ 6.5. I ended up going from a set of Ping Ie1s standard length and loft, orange dot with Dynamic Gold s300 to a set of Ping i210s standard length, Power Spec loft, brown dot with Steelfiber 110CW stiff shaft 

Here is the problem, the ball is moving a lot more than it ever has with my irons. I will think I hit it well and look up to see the ball turning left a lot more than I thought it should be. Even the slight mishits move more than I expect them to. I find myself aiming more to the right than I feel like I should have to. I went back and looked at my trackman numbers for the set I ended up getting and they are very similar to the numbers I am getting off my Skytrak. Here are the trackman #s from my fitting: 

Ball Speed: 122mph

Launch angle: 18.7*

Spin Rate: 4568 (obviously this is off a mat, I know that lowers spin but is this still too low?)

Carry: 180

Attack Angle: -1.3

Club Path: 6.2

Face Angle: 1.35

Please let me know what you think, did I get too caught up in the distance gain? I gained about a half club throughout my irons 

Is the lack of backspin the cause for lack of accuracy / control?

Holding greens isn't a big issue because my descent angle is fairly steep (45* off skytrak). I am just struggling with the lack of control on my irons.

When I received the irons the SW was around C8-9, I attributed this to the high balance point of the Steelfiber.  I added about 5-6 grams of weight to the irons to increase the SW a couple points to D1.  It has helped but the ball is still moving a lot more than I am used to!

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Neutralizing that club bath will help. I210s are fantastic irons so I don't think they're causing any issues

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7 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Neutralizing that club bath will help. I210s are fantastic irons so I don't think they're causing any issues

I am always working on that, its one of my swing flaws.  I am just trying to figure out why the ball seems to turn so much more than my old irons

 

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Sounds like you had sacrificed a lot for half a club length of distance gain, not to mention the financial "investment" incurred.

I'm in the camp of believing the irons should be focused on accuracy and distance control,  Distance gain is for the long clubs.

 

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Hey guys I got fit for a set of irons last year, and I think I might have gotten to caught up with trying to get longer. I am a solid scratch golfer, I drive it straight and have a good short game and putt well. Irons have always been the issue. When I am on I can go low, but more times than not if I am going to play bad its going to be because of the irons. It might not be a horrible round but I just don't hit it close or miss greens I shouldn't 

I went to a fitting at Club Champion last summer looking to get a new set of irons and gain a little bit of distance. I hit a lot of different irons and shafts, it came down to Mizuno MP20 HMB and Ping i210. For shafts the 2 best were Steelfiber 110Cw and Project X LZ 6.5. I ended up going from a set of Ping Ie1s standard length and loft, orange dot with Dynamic Gold s300 to a set of Ping i210s standard length, Power Spec loft, brown dot with Steelfiber 110CW stiff shaft 

Here is the problem, the ball is moving a lot more than it ever has with my irons. I will think I hit it well and look up to see the ball turning left a lot more than I thought it should be. Even the slight mishits move more than I expect them to. I find myself aiming more to the right than I feel like I should have to. I went back and looked at my trackman numbers for the set I ended up getting and they are very similar to the numbers I am getting off my Skytrak. Here are the trackman #s from my fitting: 

Ball Speed: 122mph

Launch angle: 18.7*

Spin Rate: 4568 (obviously this is off a mat, I know that lowers spin but is this still too low?)

Carry: 180

Attack Angle: -1.3

Club Path: 6.2

Face Angle: 1.35

Please let me know what you think, did I get too caught up in the distance gain? I gained about a half club throughout my irons 

Is the lack of backspin the cause for lack of accuracy / control?

Holding greens isn't a big issue because my descent angle is fairly steep (45* off skytrak). I am just struggling with the lack of control on my irons.

When I received the irons the SW was around C8-9, I attributed this to the high balance point of the Steelfiber.  I added about 5-6 grams of weight to the irons to increase the SW a couple points to D1.  It has helped but the ball is still moving a lot more than I am used to!


I found the same thing with a set of i210 I won.... They just weren’t a good set for me at all. I’ve had the same thing happen post-fitting, the clubs I was fitted to just didn’t work out very well. Have you gone back to your old irons to see if they’re still as good as they were?


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4 minutes ago, PMookie said:


I found the same thing with a set of i210 I won.... They just weren’t a good set for me at all. I’ve had the same thing happen post-fitting, the clubs I was fitted to just didn’t work out very well. Have you gone back to your old irons to see if they’re still as good as they were?


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I unfortunately sold them.  I have been using Ping irons for a long time and didn't think it would be that different!

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I unfortunately sold them.  I have been using Ping irons for a long time and didn't think it would be that different!

I sell mine to help buy new as well. It’s worth contacting the fitter about coming back and doing another evaluation. See if there’s a change, or an adjustment that could be made, like just a slight tweak of loft/lie, weighting, etc. Can’t hurt to ask, and cheaper than trying to figure it out on your own... My guys at CC would be more than happy to have me come back by to look at things.


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More spin will help with control.

Almost seems like a lie angle issue, although you are already very flat. 

 

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So far I have done a bunch of testing and research, here is what I have done and planning on doing going forward:

I tested with lead tape, upping the swing weight by adding it to the head and upping the total weight by adding lead tape to the shaft slightly below the grip.  I definitely like a club with a higher static weight.  That means new shaft so I have ordered a few Project X LZ to try and see how that works

I definitely need more spin for my approach shots, I have been keeping a close on where the ball lands on the green and where my ball ends up and the roll our is definitely more than I am used to.  Probably need to have the irons bent weaker from the Power Spec lofts they are now but also hoping the new shafts add some as well.  I don't have time to send them back to Ping right now, golf season is too short in Northern Michigan. This will also get done when I have time or can find someone up here to bend them.

I have been working on my path by doing some drills and it seems to be working but as always its a work in progress.  Still get to inside out on shots, especially when I try to hit it hard, but its getting better.  I am also hoping the heavier shaft will give me a better feel of where the club is and help with the path. 

Thanks for all your help guys!

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A 5 degree spread between face and path angles is going to lead to excess curvature especially when spin is 1000-2000 rpm low. 

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