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I actually watched this yesterday without seeing your thread.
 
I've never hit a Miura, but certainly want to try after this video. They seem so humble about what they've achieved. They also seem to have only strengthened their resolve to make the perfect clubs, it's awesome to watch.

Not sure if anyone’s seen this but it’s pretty good and fascinating. I’m a fan of Miura and after watching this I want another set.
 

There’s a video on their website that’s pretty cool insight as well. The passion he and his sons have for the product is amazing to see and their dedication to keeping things done the miura way is a true testament to the brand

Not sure if anyone’s seen this but it’s pretty good and fascinating. I’m a fan of Miura and after watching this I want another set.
 

Not sure if anyone’s seen this but it’s pretty good and fascinating. I’m a fan of Miura and after watching this I want another set.
 

Not sure if anyone’s seen this but it’s pretty good and fascinating. I’m a fan of Miura and after watching this I want another set.
 

Not sure if anyone’s seen this but it’s pretty good and fascinating. I’m a fan of Miura and after watching this I want another set.
 

Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

The chromesoft have always felt soft to me and I’ve seen 1/2-1club less with them than other tour level balls. TM has two really good ball in the TP line and I’m curious what the next gen is going to be like. I’m a titleist homer when it comes to balls but if I were to deity it would be to TM

The chromesoft have always felt soft to me and I’ve seen 1/2-1club less with them than other tour level balls. TM has two really good ball in the TP line and I’m curious what the next gen is going to be like. I’m a titleist homer when it comes to balls but if I were to deity it would be to TM

That’s awesome, congrats


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Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

That's awesome. It's great to see companies when they make an effort to say thanks in an unexpected way to it's customers. With Abby taking on a larger role in that capacity, I'm not surprised.


Bridgestone Tour B JGR Driver and HF2 irons Pre Release Testing

Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

Received a little thank you package from Titleist today. They dona pretty good job of giving back to their consumers.
 

As much as the G410 and TM m5/6 have my attention I’m curious to see what’s under the PXG hood later this month. Their sugar daddy wedges already have my attention and curious if they have new ones coming and since it’s been awhile for anything in the top of the bag from them I’m interested there too especially in the fairway woods 

Gotcha, that’s a temp I don’t notice any distance loss on m clubs. 65 and below is where I starting seeing 1/2 or so and then more as it gets colder. 

Stage 2...don't worry, this review is less than 2,000 words!
If you didn’t get a chance or have time to read my stage 1, here’s a quick summary:
Low handicapper (Current hcp: 0.5) Quick transition with a hard loading swing. Think Nick Price tempo and Sergio’s swing. Swing requires low launching, low spinning shafts. I play in the Houston, TX area. Most courses are fairly soft and I rarely play in windy conditions (> 15mph). What I’m looking for in the i210s: Consistency, great turf interaction and proper yardage gaps between clubs. Golf ball for launch monitor numbers and on-course testing: TaylorMade TP5X In my humble opinion, ripping off the plastic and gripping a brand new club is no different than the new car smell, it awakens the mind knowing that what’s in your hand is something brand spanking new and it WILL make you play better. The good shots are attributed to the new equipment and the bad shots, well, those are attributed to a change in the Earth’s magnetic field or planets getting out of alignment. I’m guilty of this in just about every club in my bag, especially with the driver and putter. While placebos are strong in nutrition/diets and on the golf course, we now live in a day in age where technology can rear its head and allow factual data to help facilitate decision making. I rarely change out my irons simply because it’s not a part of the bag I think needs changing frequently. Irons are irons. Shafts tweak the ball flight and spin rate. What’s the big deal? Why drop $1,000+ on clubs that will do the exact same thing to the ball as what is currently in your bag?! My current set of irons are forged by Endo, one of the top forging houses in Japan. My shafts are the same ones I see on TV. What in the world would make we want to get rid of my Bridgestones in favor of a set of irons from Phoenix, AZ?!? Well…let’s read on.
1.       Looks (8 out of 10 points)
Remember the debate on The Office if Hilary Swank was Hot or Not? I feel like the i210s are the same way. I’ve played with guys who absolutely love the look and I have others who aren’t fans and aren’t afraid to tell me. Personally, I’m a fan of the looks of the 6-UW with the thin(ish) top line, the non-glare finish, the progressive offset and the way the iron frames the ball. From the mid and short irons, they really look like a player’s iron. The cavity of the iron looks great and the iron numbers are clear and easy to read. Here's an example of the 6 iron for the i210 and the Bridgestone J15CB. Both are similar in size, top line and offset. 
Now here's where my beef comes in:
What I don’t like is the 4 and 5 irons. Why? They look like my old Tommy Armour 845s with just a little bit less offset. They are a bit clunky to look at address and the sole is fairly thick. I’ll discuss performance later on but solely off looks, they look a bit game-improvement-ish. Trust me, I can’t hit a butter knife 3 iron, but I also don’t want to look at a Callaway X-12 at address. 
Here's a comparison of the 4 irons. Not too much of a visible difference looking at the face. 

But looking down at the ball, you can see the increase in top line, offset and overall size of the iron. 

One last thing I'll add...while I like overall design of the clubs, the cavity and numbers are hard to keep clean with just a wet towel. There’s a lot of little crevasses where grass and dirt gets caught and it takes a *gasp* scrub brush to really give these clubs a good cleaning. I don’t know if my ego can take the beating with a scrub brush dangling from my bag.
While these look great, every gap, crevasse, etc is a hiding place for bermuda grass and sand.

2.       Sound and Feel (8 out of 10 points)
In the past few years, feel has been misunderstood by a lot of golfers as they combine the feeling in their hands from the strike of the ball AND the auditory response at contact. What I don’t like when people discuss feel is where the audio feedback trumps the impact of the club. A club could have fantastic feel in regards to impact on the club face but if the strike is too tinny, too loud, too muted, etc, it will taint the view of “feel” for a club. I tried my best to break it down during this round of testing.
Sound: These irons have a muted click at impact. When you catch a ball flush, it sounds like something you’d hear on a golf channel infomercial. Not so much a fake sound effect, but a sound that reflects a solid iron cast from a single block of steel. The sound falls somewhere between a beautifully forged and muted Bridgestone or Miura and a firmer click from a Cobra Forged Tec or the older Cleveland CG Red irons.  
Here's my 9 iron with a Titleist NXT range ball. Not too loud, not too clangy, etc. Just a solid iron strike. 
 
Feel: Ping isn’t known for their ‘buttery smooth’ impact and frankly, I’d like to know when the ball is hitting the face. Though I haven’t hit a wide variety of irons over the years, these aren’t nearly as harsh as my old Adams Forged CB2s, which might’ve been forged from a cast-iron skillet, but not nearly as soft as a Miura, Bridgestone or Mizuno. Solid hits felt great, almost like a coke can filled with marshmallows, and shots out on the toe and low on the face were felt in the hands with a bit more firmness to let you know you mis-hit the shot. Personally, I’m not a fan of soft, milled putters or super soft forged irons but these Pings fall right where I like my irons and my women…a bit firm.
3.       Range Performance (18 out of 20 points)
So with this section of the review, I want to look solely at launch monitor statistics. Going out to the range and hitting golf balls with little to no consequences of a bad shot doesn’t really qualify an opinion unless you have data to back it up. Over the course of three launch monitor sessions, I hit 15 shots with each club and took the best 12 shots. I used the TaylorMade TP5X in every test session. Here’s a summary of the sessions:

If you recall, I’m looking for consistency and proper yardage gaps between clubs. Look at the carry yardage gaps between clubs in the i210s. They’re right around 13-16 yards between clubs. That checks the box. My Bridgestones had gaps as small as 8 yards in the long irons and 21 yards in the short irons. Consistency, or dispersion was another huge marker in this test session. Let’s take a look at the dispersion via standard deviations from the launch monitor sessions with the i210s versus previous sessions with the J15CBs.

I attempted to provide an illustrative chart to show the difference in dispersion for the test but my Photoshop skills are non-existent. As you can see, the Ping i210s weren’t necessarily straighter than the Bridgestone J15CBs, but they were a lot more consistent with the shot area. I don’t mind the ball fading on me, but I want that fade to be consistent and I sure as heck don’t want the ball to fly right when I’m expecting a butter cut to fall off to the left. The carry distance standard deviation wasn’t that substantial between the two clubs. Both carry the ball a consistent yardage with each club.
4.       On-Course Performance (37 out of 40 points)
My main focus of on-course performance was to see if these Pings were really substantially better than my current gamers. How would I go about doing that? Well, I’ve noticed when my scores start to creep higher, it’s a domino effect of missing fairways off the tee followed by a missed green and failing to get up-and-down. If I could find a set irons that help on days where I’m struggling off the tee, then they would find a spot in the bag. Of all the metrics and performance measures I could’ve utilized for on-course performance, I decided to come up with a scoring system to determine which set of irons would best fit the bag going forward:
Hit the green with i210/J15CB from fairway/tee: 1 point
Hit the green with i210/J15CB from rough: 2 points
Miss the green with i210/J15CB from fairway/tee: -1 point
Miss the green with i210/J15CB from rough: 0 points
I utilize SkyCaddie 360 (paired with my SkyCaddie Lynx GT) which is great for tracking stats but the visual data afterwards is hot garbage. If you take the five rounds of golf with the i210s and compare them to my previous four rounds with the Bridgestones and then picked one really great round to see what the J15CBs could do on days where I was on fire, it was really eye opening. 
Avg Score for Ping i210s: 7.6 points.
Best Score: 9 points
Averaged 9.3 hit greens from fairway/tee, 3.7 missed greens from fairway and 1 hit green from rough. Majority of misses were left and short of my target. Less than 15% of my misses were long or right. 
Avg Score for Bridgestone J15CBs: 6.2 points
Best Score: 8 points
Averaged 7.6 hit greens from fairway/tee, 4.8 missed greens from fairway and 1.4 hit greens from rough. Misses favored short and left but almost 30% of my misses were long or right. 
On a side note, my averages don’t total 18 and that’s because I eliminated any approach shot into the green that wasn’t an i210 or J15CB. Most of the par 5s were a 3 wood or hybrid from the fairway to either a layup distance for my Callaway 52* or a simple chip from off the green. Also, there’s the occasional par 3 that required a hybrid off the tee.
 
5.       Play it or Trade It? (20 out of 20 points)
Well, I sold my Bridgestones back in early October so…that would be a ‘play it’ for me. This combination of low spinning head with a low launch/low-mid spin has really done wonders in the ball flight. The increase bounce and sole design on these irons really work well in the wet conditions we’re starting to see here in the Houston area. These irons have really worked out great for me and the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
 
6.       Final Score (91 out of 100)
Final Performance Comments
Did I expect the i210s to be substantially better than the J15CBs? No, and I was proven wrong. I’ve never truly given Ping a second thought in the iron department. My premonition towards their irons was that they favored a mid to higher handicapper who needed a lot of forgiveness and offset. Turns out this low handicapper really struck gold with this setup. The higher bounce on the i210s (6*- 13* vs 3*-7* on the J15CBs) really helps in the soft conditions. I didn’t find these clubs to really dig in wet conditions with my steep swing. It was quite refreshing to know that I can really go after the ball with a hard swing and not find a huge divot in the fairway afterwards. Mishits weren’t so punishing that you found yourself well off target. The mishit for me is a little out on the toe. Distance loss out on the toe was around 7-9%, but the ball stayed relatively online to the target. I’ve got a lot of confidence in this setup to know if I really need to hammer down on a shot, I’m not going to lose it right and the solid shots will result in a 3-6 yard fade. From the scratch to the 15-handicapper, I would strongly suggest you give these a look when you’re in the market for a new set.
 
Here’s the new setup:

WITB:
2017 TM M1 w/ Oban Black 65 05 tipped 1/2"
Cobra F7 3 wood w/ HZRDUS Black 75 6.5
Cobra F9 19* hybrid w/ Hzrdus Black 85 6.5
PING i210 4-UW w/ Dynamic Gold X100
Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 54* w/ AWT 2.0
Callaway MD3 58* C Grind w/ Dynamic Gold S400
Odyssey O-Works Versa Tank 38"
 
This test, though not filled with all the visual references I would like (I need GolfSpyMBP to follow me around with these tests and do some visual editing for the review), was one of the most fun I've had simply because it was rather eye-opening when you take what you see visually and have the stats to back it up. Thanks again to MGS and please feel free to ask questions/poke holes in my data/enjoy my constant rotation of clubs in my bag...however these i210s aren't going anywhere. 

Mine didn’t look like that at all.

It would be cool to see a stealth version but that would be so far from what ping does I couldn’t see them doing it, which as a ping fan is good. I like brands that stick to their release schedules and their “traditions”

Stage Two - The Review October 25th
Ping i210 Irons – Official MGS Forum Review by Jamie
Welcome to stage 2! 

Before I dive into it I wanted to let you know a few things about how/what I tested and some important information that was key to the results of this review.
 
I used Srixon Z star golf balls for the duration of the testing. During testing I competed in one tournament and played a total of 15 rounds. These rounds consisted of irons only, regular and practice rounds with a few sets to get some good comparisons at a variety of courses.

I also had 10 range sessions where I worked on shaping and the overall feel of the clubs. This included more comparisons against other clubs both cast and forged. 
 
I was also able to get some launch monitor time at Golf Central in Halifax, which was where I got my fitting. This was extremely beneficial as we did a gapping test and in the end made some tweaks to the i210’s in order to optimize them for me.
 
 A little bit more on that as it is critical to my review and testing of these irons. I was fit and ordered standard length blue dot with the Nippon Modus 105 stiff shafts. This was the same spec as my Ping i e1 series and truth be told I thought the transition would be simple. Unfortunately this wasn’t the case. 

Although the specs were the same I really struggled with consistent strikes and hit a lot off the toe. This also led to me over cooking a draw, which some of you may remember from my stage 1 is my big miss with my irons. This was a little disappointing as my expectations were really high going in and I honestly felt that the i210 would be a great step up from my ie1. After playing several rounds I went in to do the gap test and we noticed what I was seeing on the course. Most everything was going right on me. 


We then made some adjustments flattening out the lie angle 2 degrees. It was after this adjustment that I really started to get the proper feel for the i210. Honestly night and day from before to after the adjustments were made.  I cannot stress enough how important it is to get fit and even after you get fit to look into going back in with the clubs to get a gapping test which will tell you a lot!
 
Finally a quick recap on the 4 key factors I wanted them to accomplish from my stage one. 
1. Consistency in distances
2. Improved feel on Ping i e1
3. Ability to hold greens 
4. Earn my trust and confidence that they will do what I expect them to.
 
Looks (9.5 out of 10 points)
For me these clubs were love at first sight. The i210 looked stunning, sharp and modern. Released alongside the i500 I felt as though they kinda got lost. Everyone ogled over the i500 and how they were distance packed blade like iron which was a first for Ping and rightfully so. The i500 are a great looking iron, however my attention was directly draw to the i210. 

The general shape for the i210 is stupidly similar to other irons in the Ping i family. They have a pretty slim top line, nice wide sole in a compact yet not too small head that is very Ping. 
 
As with most newer Ping models, the i210 are not too fancy on the back side of the club. A simple i210 badging on the back with some milled lining, which can be found on Ping irons dating back to the Ping Anser forged irons. The biggest difference with the i210 compared to previous models is the CTP (Custom tuning port) and elastomer is significantly larger and more visible then previous iterations. 

Finally there is the hydropearl 2.0 finish that ties it all together. This two tone finish on the face really stands out in my eyes and helps give it a real premium look. The styling is symmetrical and there are many little added touches that help continue that theme, one of which being the chrome iron number on the bottom. 
 
Ping has been able to refine this iron over the years and I have to say this is the best looking version so far without question. 
 
Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points)
The sound of the Ping i210 is a solid, crisp but muted crack. I have some videos I will link here for you to hear some shots. 
 
 
Out of the middle it is a very pleasing sound and it’s very noticeable when you hit the middle compared to other parts of the face.
 
Toe and high strikes on the face sound thinner and more clicky. Heal strikes on the other hand sound more solid but still have a click to them. Finally bottom or thin shots have a firmer solid crack.
 
In the end what I found was wherever I ended up hitting on the face (which was just about everywhere over the course of testing). I always knew where I hit on the club face based off the sound. 

As many of you know feel is very subjective and extremely hard to describe at times. This was also without question the most difficult portion of the test for me. 
 
Ping claim these irons have a buttery soft feel. Therefore expectations were extremely high and at first I certainly did not find this to be the case. I really felt that the i210 were no different then my Ping i e1 irons. However with the lie angle adjusted that perspective all changed.
 
I can now say without a doubt these are Pings softest irons to date and I will go as far as saying they have the similar soft feel of a Mizuno boron forging. I put the feel test of these up against the Cobra King Forged tec (2016), Mizuno JPX EZ Forged (2017), Ping Anser Forged and Ping i e1 irons. When all said and done the i210 came out on top as what I feel was the softest iron with the most responsive feel. 

The feel on miss hits correlated very well to the sound. Toe/high strikes felt weaker and thinner, where as bottom strikes and heal strikes felt firmer. At the same time I could feel the elastomer working hard to produce some addition spring in the face.
 
In the end the feel of the i210 irons really won me over. It wasn’t right away and it took many rounds and many range sessions, but they truly feel great with a soft, responsive and powerful feel. A huge plus for me was that between the sound of the the strike and the feel of the club head I was able to tell exactly where I had hit good or bad. 
 
Range Performance (18 out of 20 points)
Unfortunately we don’t have a grass range so a matted range it was and with the typical range golf balls I didn’t take distances to heart, but instead worked on feel of the club and comparing them to different irons, shot shaping and going for different targets.
 
On the range I found the ball flight of the i210 to be higher, stronger and more stable throughout the set. The height difference was most noticeable with the gap and pitching wedges. If this is in part because of the closer grooves on those I’m not sure?

Even with a higher ball flight I was also able flight them low if need be. Especially with the 5 and 4 iron I was able to hit low screaming bullets. Controlling the ball flight was much easier with the i210 compared to the e1. Again part of this could be with the fitting adjustments, however it was a very pleasing sight to see the ball go right to left instead of left to right all the time. 
 
After getting some shot shaping drills down and getting a better feel for how the golf ball was flying I was able to take notice of how miss hits were performing on the range. The biggest difference I noticed was height. Strikes low still got plenty airborne and out to target, however they were as expected much lower. Strikes from the toe, heal and higher on the face all lost the expected distances and simply didn’t get as high as of center strikes. However they still flew towards the target with stable flights. 
 
I was very pleased with the forgiveness of the i210 they not only felt, but visually were more forgiving them my e1.
 
On-Course Performance (38 out of 40 points)
Here comes the fun stuff!





On course performance for these irons is where the i210 really started to shine. Thankfully with the weather turning I was able to get a few rounds out at the local course where there was nobody around and I could take my time playing a variety of shots, strategies and different situations. 
 
A lot of my findings on the range transitioned to the course, this included a higher ball flight then my e1 and the ability to play a variety of shots with a great deal of accuracy and more control. It has been extremely windy so I found flighting the ball low was a big help and had no issues whatsoever doing such. 
 
This included being able to work in a small fade or draw and hitting lower bullets with longer irons off the tee. Honestly there were times I couldn’t help but smile as the wind would be flying directly into me and I would take the 4 iron and play a low bullet draw that would cut through the wind and still go 195-205. 

The forgiveness was where I noticed the biggest difference compared to range. The srixon z star is a exceptional golf ball and had great feel paired with the i210. The ball flights continued to be strong and extremely stable and only bad swings (which there were many)  resulted in bad shots. Smaller miss hits were still getting out to expected distances. The only oddity I found was there were a few shots that spun up a lot and fell well short of the intended distance.
 
Despite their similarities, the i210 improved on nearly every category over my e1. The one exception being distance. The i210 was a few yards shorter, however I want to note that during my time testing the i210 it has been significantly colder and wet. Therefore most of the distances are pure carry. Given a full summer I really think they will average out to the same or a shade more. 

Stopping power was another area I paid close attention to. As soon as I took them out on the course and saw the flight into the greens that worry was put to rest. Even thin shots managed to stop with a bit of check. I will say I was a bit surprised, but after seeing the numbers from the gap test it became pretty clear. The i210 have plenty of spin and height to hold any green that I’ve played on and will not be something I am at all concerned with moving forward. 
 
The versatility of the irons was something unexpected and has really become a standout feature of these irons for me. I am confident hitting all sorts of shots with them from a variety of lies all around the course!

When it comes to Ping I wasn’t always but certainly became a big Ping fan over the years and believe the i210 are another great addition to the already outstanding Ping lineup. I really like how they have evolved over the last few years and come out with very simple and sharp looking clubs.
 
My only real criticism is the wear on the back on the hydropearl finish. Over time with bag chatter and such it rubs away to a shiny chrome finish that is more noticeable.
 
I love the shape of the i series and how Ping hasn’t changed it much over the years, this without a doubt helps with comfort and feel. Their biggest change is developing the CTP elastomer port making it larger. For those wondering it really helps with cleaning the clubs as the undercut in the e1 was a dirt magnet! Back to the elastomer, Ping has found a formula with it that really works and it will be great to see how they progress that technology in the future!


Play it or Trade it? (18 out of 20 points)
Without a doubt these irons will be going into my bag and have checked all the boxes I was looking for them to. 
Consistency? Yup! 
Feel? Definitely! 
Hold the green? Without question.
Confidence? Didn’t happen right away, but they certainly have it now! 
 
I have no doubt that next season my scores will continue to drop and these irons will have a large part in helping me achieve them. 

I believe the i210 suit a large range of golfers and have a great head shape that will appeal to many players. I started with my i e1 when I was a 18 handicap and am now down to 9. 
 
Where these irons will really shine is for the golfer that wants a solid powerful yet soft feeling iron that will give you some forgiveness on miss hits, but be very responsive and tell you where you hit the ball when you hit it. Finally there is solid distance with the i210, however if you want a 7 iron to go 200 yards it may be a good idea to look elsewhere! 

Conclusion
Going into this review I figured the transition from my Ping i e1 to the new Ping i210 would be relatively easy. Same color code, shaft, slightly larger grip and length. However it wasn’t the case, early struggles with toe strikes and inconsistencies led to a refit and change in lie angle by 2 degrees on all irons. From there it all started to come together. That whole process really showed me how important it is to get properly fit. Thanks again to Golf Central Halifax for all the help and time you spent working with me. 
 
With the refit done I was able to get a proper feel for the i210 and I can say they deliver on all fronts! They are soft feeling, responsive irons that sound/feel great. 
 
The i210 are forgiving players irons that are built for workability and consistency which is exactly what they provide. I have never had so much fun trying to work the ball both side to side but also low and high. Whether it be 3/4 wedges into greens or low 4 iron bullets, I have that ability to make the required shots in practice and on the course. 
This has been one of the most fun and at times frustrating opportunities I’ve ever had and once again I want to thank MGS and Ping again and again for the incredible opportunity. I really enjoyed being able to put these irons through the paces and give them a thorough review. 
Final Score: 92.5/100

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Good because we can individually make ourselves feel better by releasing tension Bad because we're taking that negative energy and distributing it to the forum membership  
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We think it's time for transition of this thread to a more positive atmosphere. This thread is now renamed to "Got Problems?"  From this point forward, this thread will be a place where you can come to....rant about an issue you may be having; BUT ONLY IF you're seeking help from your fellow members.  This will no longer be the place to come to complain and moan about whatever may be troubling you if you're not interested in a solution.  Likewise, replies to these issue should be supportive in nature even if you don't have the solution.  This is not the argument thread and that negative energy has no place on this forum.  
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Keep Calm and Comment On

Sometimes I shake my head especially when there’s more non golf related new threads than golf ones. Thankfully I can come here for a lot more golf threads and very few none. 
I like your idea of using it for advice but imo if someone needed advice they could start a thread in the same section. More than likely that would get more eyes than in the rant thread. I tend to stay out of this thread for some of the reasons mentioned today for what happens in here.