Popular Post Manimal26 Posted August 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just finished testing all of the new P series family of irons. Tested 4-PW,AW ( AW P770 only). All were shafted with the stock KBS 130x in the sets and tested various shafts with the 7i fitting heads. first KBS iron shafts have some cool new graphics but if you are thinking about these please get a fit. TM has added numerous no charge shafts with this launch that gave me much better results. ill highlight a few things. First if you read Tony’s article about ditching your set PW apparently TM read it... the P7MB & P7MC PW’s were flat out amazing. I could work shots easily and play shots from 110-145 with ease that did exactly what I wanted them to do. I took it through a par 3 course with only 7i and PW (Plus my putter) and shot -6. They out performed my SM8 46 hands down. However apparently the P770 were already through production apparently before they read Tony’s article. They might have as well stamped a 10i and 11i instead on PW and AW. They are full shot club only. Next it appears TM wants to go after Titleist and Mizuno and I’ll compare each of P series to what they are competing against (my opinion) The P770 is going against the Titleist T-100 and T-100s & the Mizuno JPX 921 tour. From a looks perspective the Titleist and Mizuno are hands down better looking. The P770 top line is way to thick for a players iron. From that alone they are out of the running for my next set of irons. Feel is subjective, but I like to feel the ball compressing and with the P770 great strikes feel like the ball disappears which was my same complaint about the P790. Performance, was solid. Workability is better than advertised numbers are solid but more importantly they are consistent. No hot spots. Had to flatten them -2.5 degree since the 7i lie showed up at 63.5. Now the P7MC. This is going after the Titleist 620CB and Mizuno MP-20 MMC. If you are looking for new irons any of these are a solid choice. The MMC have stronger lofts (7i 32deg) vs P7MC ( 7i 34deg) vs 620CB (7i 35). I see the MMC different vs. the Titleist and TM but I’ll digress. The P7MC were amazing and they will get a look when I change my irons. The only knock is in the long irons you need to be a ball striker. I would have to combo them with the P770 in the 4&5 where the Titleist and Mizuno I would not have to. These are legit irons and I could see a lot of pros switching to these. P7MB, well they are blades. The design is cool and they feel well like a blade. I preferred the P7TW because of the tungsten weight that offers some forgiveness much like the Ping blueprints. I could see some extreme combos with P770 4,5 P7MC 6,7 & P7MB 8,9PW. If your good enough to play these you don’t need my feedback lol . I game T-100 3-PW and right now I would not change for the P770’s. I will consider The P7MC 5-PW cause I can grab a U500 3i/4i or combo the P770 but I am waiting for the 921 tours to test too. Side note... when testing the 7i’s I have never found an iron shaft that fits me better than the modus 120x/tx. I did test the Accra i124 MMT 125tx and the new project x io 6.5 and 7.0. The project x has a shot to go in my next set of irons... if you want to know more about any of these let me know. Vegan_Golfer_PNW, MyWifesSwingCoach, Kanoito and 8 others 10 1 Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Am I correct in presuming that one of the HUGE perks of working in the golf equipment fitting industry is the opportunity to test all the various permutations of clubs and shafts? I'd have a hard time staying focused on the job . Question.... do you fit yourself or rely on one of your fellow fitters? Micah T, BNewton51 and Manimal26 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal26 Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Am I correct in presuming that one of the HUGE perks of working in the golf equipment fitting industry is the opportunity to test all the various permutations of clubs and shafts? I'd have a hard time staying focused on the job . Question.... do you fit yourself or rely on one of your fellow fitters? So the P family should all be out to test at a PGA store or Golf galaxy near you as of today... our full sets came in today but I took them for a whirl before our club building team started converting them into demo heads since TM only sends 7i in their fitting matrix... it part of the job and kind of like a car... you can read about it on the web all you want but until you test drive it you really don’t know 100%... but it is def a perk when there is something I am interested in for sure... as to the other part of the question... It’s hard to be objective with your self, but I can eliminate things a little quickly which helps narrow things down quicker. That being said I actually get fit by other fitters and I take their recommendations. I know the numbers I am trying to get and what I am trying to achieve which also helps. I trust 2-3 fitters near me and I go to them for different parts of my bag since each is better at certain aspects... Kanoito, Micah T, BNewton51 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip4000 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Question for your comparisons to other companies irons: Wouldn't the 770 be a better comparison to the JPX 921 forged or the MMC rather than the tour? Wouldn't the MC be a better comparison to the JPX tour rather than the MMC? It seems to me like comparing the 770 to the JPX tour would be a tough since the JPX tour is a tour CB and less forgiving than the MMC by comparison Manimal26, heribertomaya, BNewton51 and 1 other 4 Quote Right Handed Taylormade sim2 9 degree ventus black 7x ( velecore) 44.5 Callaway epic flash sz 5 wood 17 degree tensi AV blue X Mizuno CLK 19 degree tensi av blue X Callaway x forged 16 4-pw Project x 6.0 +.75 Vokey SM7 black 50/54/58 Project x 6.0 flighted +.5 length Scotty cameron newport 2.6 34 length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal26 Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Flip4000 said: Question for your comparisons to other companies irons: Wouldn't the 770 be a better comparison to the JPX 921 forged or the MMC rather than the tour? Wouldn't the MC be a better comparison to the JPX tour rather than the MMC? It seems to me like comparing the 770 to the JPX tour would be a tough since the JPX tour is a tour CB and less forgiving than the MMC by comparison I was comparing based on the market of the player they are going after from a lineup perspective. The 921 forged, is at best a border line players iron. It has more offset than the P770 and is much longer in blade length and IMO is the most players in the players distance category. Now Taylormade's marketing story is trying to re-brand the P770, but if you look at the P760 it was a technology driven CB much like the tour and t-100. TM is also trying to capture some of the PXG fruit with the hollow head remake. The MP lineup is the more traditional style club where the JPX is the more technology driven lineup. If you look at the Mizuno MP-20 MMC it looks like TM copied it from a forging and story perspective for the P7MC. Also because Mizuno has 2 iron lineups and TM/Titleist does not there could be some cross over comparison for sure. From a forgiveness perspective none of these clubs in reality are super forgiving. They are tour level clubs and require ball striking ability. TM is a marketing machine though and they are pitching the idea of the P770 as maybe more of a players distance club that can be mixed with P790, but with out a doubt the P770 is a players iron just not one I would play. Here is the Mizuno release press echoing what I am saying... rush ahead to like 47 min and listen in... https://mizunogolf.com/us/blog/mizuno-golf-live-jpx921-iron-discussion-with-chris-voshall/ Golfspy_CG2, Kanoito and BNewton51 3 Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip4000 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 11:52 AM, Manimal26 said: I was comparing based on the market of the player they are going after from a lineup perspective. The 921 forged, is at best a border line players iron. It has more offset than the P770 and is much longer in blade length and IMO is the most players in the players distance category. Now Taylormade's marketing story is trying to re-brand the P770, but if you look at the P760 it was a technology driven CB much like the tour and t-100. TM is also trying to capture some of the PXG fruit with the hollow head remake. The MP lineup is the more traditional style club where the JPX is the more technology driven lineup. If you look at the Mizuno MP-20 MMC it looks like TM copied it from a forging and story perspective for the P7MC. Also because Mizuno has 2 iron lineups and TM/Titleist does not there could be some cross over comparison for sure. From a forgiveness perspective none of these clubs in reality are super forgiving. They are tour level clubs and require ball striking ability. TM is a marketing machine though and they are pitching the idea of the P770 as maybe more of a players distance club that can be mixed with P790, but with out a doubt the P770 is a players iron just not one I would play. Here is the Mizuno release press echoing what I am saying... rush ahead to like 47 min and listen in... https://mizunogolf.com/us/blog/mizuno-golf-live-jpx921-iron-discussion-with-chris-voshall/ That makes sense. But given what you said about the 770 marketing, I know its not a new iron, but wouldn't it be extremely similar to the Mizuno HMB's? BNewton51 and Manimal26 2 Quote Right Handed Taylormade sim2 9 degree ventus black 7x ( velecore) 44.5 Callaway epic flash sz 5 wood 17 degree tensi AV blue X Mizuno CLK 19 degree tensi av blue X Callaway x forged 16 4-pw Project x 6.0 +.75 Vokey SM7 black 50/54/58 Project x 6.0 flighted +.5 length Scotty cameron newport 2.6 34 length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal26 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Flip4000 said: That makes sense. But given what you said about the 770 marketing, I know its not a new iron, but wouldn't it be extremely similar to the Mizuno HMB's? the P-790 would be more like the HMB... The P770 is a players iron where the MP-20 HMB is squarely in the players distance... HMB has much more offset and a chunky top line. The blade length is also much longer as well. Mizuno is an Iron company with 2 distinct line ups in the JPX and MP where TM has only the P-Family of irons. HMB = P790 = T200 = JPX 921 Forged (all players distance) After this it gets a little hazy JPX 921 Tour = P770 = T100 > MP20 MMC (MMC much stronger lofts) MP20 MMC = T100s > JPX 921 forged (921 forged I feel is the closet PD iron to being a players but it is still a Distance iron) MP20 MB's = P7MB = 620MB P7MC = 620CB > JPX 921 tour > MP20 MMC (tour much more technology driven and MMC much stronger in the lofts) Hopefully this helps and does not confuse lol!!! BNewton51, Micah T, pozzit and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyoymac Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Are you just talking about better Player’s and Player’s distance irons? Those segments while growing are probably the smaller segments of the iron market. Doesn’t Taylormade also have the SIM Iron line besides the P Series? Titleist has expanded their line some with the T series compared to the AP line: T100, T100S, T200, T300 & T400 & the CB & MB. Dropping the TMB but still offering their CNCPT line. Mizuno has now overhauled all of their MP & JPX lines. What about Callaway with it’s three distinct lines: Apex, Maverick and Big Bertha irons? Lots going on in the iron market this year. BNewton51 1 Quote Cobra LTDx LS 9.0 TPT Power Range 18 LO Cobra LTDx 3W lofted to 16.5 TPT 17 HI Tour Edge E723 21 degree Diamana Thump f85 S Cobra LTDx 24 degree 5 hybrid TPT 17 LO Corey Paul - 5 & 6 CB with KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Black Corey Paul 7 - PW Japan Forged Minimalist Blades KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Chrome Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60 all with BGT ZNE shafts Odyssey O Works Black #7 with BGT Stability Tour Shaft, SuperStroke Traxion 3.0 & 75g CounterCore Bridgestone Tour BRX or MaxFli Tour Tracked by Arccos, Bushnell V4, Vessel Lux XV 2.0 bag, Bag Boy quad XL cart with Alphard V2 wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal26 Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Hoyoymac said: Are you just talking about better Player’s and Player’s distance irons? Those segments while growing are probably the smaller segments of the iron market. Doesn’t Taylormade also have the SIM Iron line besides the P Series? Titleist has expanded their line some with the T series compared to the AP line: T100, T100S, T200, T300 & T400 & the CB & MB. Dropping the TMB but still offering their CNCPT line. Mizuno has now overhauled all of their MP & JPX lines. What about Callaway with it’s three distinct lines: Apex, Maverick and Big Bertha irons? Lots going on in the iron market this year. So I thought I broke it down the best I could. Sim Marverik etc are all in the game improvement area. Guess we could break it down to traditional players irons technology players iron players distance game improvement and super game improvement etc each has some cross over... honestly not going to touch callaway anything but that’s a personal choice... Golfspy_CG2 and BNewton51 2 Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Manimal26 said: So I thought I broke it down the best I could. Sim Marverik etc are all in the game improvement area. Guess we could break it down to traditional players irons technology players iron players distance game improvement and super game improvement etc each has some cross over... honestly not going to touch callaway anything but that’s a personal choice... You broke it down just fine. Appreciate all the detailed thoughts. Manimal26, Micah T and BNewton51 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippingwithchris Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Hi, I’ve been playing the p7mc with project x 6.0 for about 3 months now. Ordered them to place my ‘09 cobra forged pro mb/cb combo set. When testing I loved the look and feel of them but I went to a Taylormade fitting session and didn’t compare them to the other models out there. Now I find myself losing a lot of distance throughout the set, even compared to when I got fitted. Getting buyers remorse and considering switching to the t100s. I thought about doing a gapping session to check my numbers, haven’t done that since getting the set. any advice? BNewton51 1 Quote WITB Titleist TS3 9.5 HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g Titleist TS2 15 Diamana LTD S+ Blue 70g P790 2i HZRDUS 100g P7MC 3-P Project X 6.0 (lie -2) Vokey Wedge 52, 58 (lie -2) Scotty Cameron CA Monterey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 9/2/2020 at 12:16 PM, Manimal26 said: the P-790 would be more like the HMB... The P770 is a players iron where the MP-20 HMB is squarely in the players distance... HMB has much more offset and a chunky top line. The blade length is also much longer as well. Mizuno is an Iron company with 2 distinct line ups in the JPX and MP where TM has only the P-Family of irons. HMB = P790 = T200 = JPX 921 Forged (all players distance) After this it gets a little hazy JPX 921 Tour = P770 = T100 > MP20 MMC (MMC much stronger lofts) MP20 MMC = T100s > JPX 921 forged (921 forged I feel is the closet PD iron to being a players but it is still a Distance iron) MP20 MB's = P7MB = 620MB P7MC = 620CB > JPX 921 tour > MP20 MMC (tour much more technology driven and MMC much stronger in the lofts) Hopefully this helps and does not confuse lol!!! This is super helpful as most of these irons are on my list for possible purchase this year! BNewton51 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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