Chip Strokes Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 i’m currently using a ping g425 lst. it’s pretty good for me, but i’m spinning it way too much. teed high, teed low, ball forward, ball back, i’ve tried it all and i can’t get the spin down below 3,000 no matter what i do. my delivery numbers are good. pretty neutral path, maybe 1-2* in to out, 2-3* up, with my main miss being a block where i don’t close the face. i’ve been on the sim plenty, and even the balls i middle up are spinning at 3200-3300. i know i’m leaving 20-30 yards on the table compared to a shot that spins 2400-2500. shaft is a ventus black 7tx and i play the bridgestone b x what’s the lowest spinning head out there? i’m thinking of trying the cobra ltdx ls this winter. any other suggestions? Vegan_Golfer_PNW and Shankopotomous 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkj427 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Titleist TSR4 is low spin, and the Callaway ??? Triple Diamond as well. I am not familiar with Callaway products, but there should be information available online, or someone else may also add to it. Quote Driver & Fairway: Titleist GT2 8 degree - Ventus TR Red & TSR3 15 - Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Hybrid: TSR2 21 degree - Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Irons: Titleist T200 3G (4) & T150 - (5-G) - Modus 105 Wedges: Vokey SM9 54, and 58 Putter: Cameron Phantom X 5 Ball: Pro V1 & Maxfli Tour Link to Motocaddy M7 w/Remote Trolley & Bag Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Chip Strokes said: what’s the lowest spinning head out there? i’m thinking of trying the cobra ltdx ls this winter. any other suggestions? Based on memory of most wanted testing, the Cobra drivers are probably my vote for lowest spinning; I struggle to get enough spin with them. Have you tried delofting the club? Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, cnosil said: Have you tried delofting the club? it’s a 9* head set to the big minus position, which puts it at about 7-7.5* Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: it’s a 9* head set to the big minus position, which puts it at about 7-7.5* Wondering if you are not optimally delivering the club. https://blog.trackmangolf.com/spin-loft Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 What is your launch angle? Spray the face and see where you are making contact. I’m betting it’s low on the face which if going to increase spin regardless of whether you go to a lower spin head. If so it’s a swing issue not a head design issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Taylormade also drivers usually sit on the lower end of spin, SIM2 or Stealth Plus, plus you can get the 8 degree and turn it down to 6. Traditionally the PING LST is lower spinning but not the lowest. Though checking strike, I recall your coach has a quad or did if you are still working with them, to make sure that is not adding more spin. Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: What is your launch angle? Spray the face and see where you are making contact. I’m betting it’s low on the face which if going to increase spin regardless of whether you go to a lower spin head. If so it’s a swing issue not a head design issue 12-13* usually. though i’d like to see it around 10*. i generally strike it high middle to high and slightly toe side. i have the occasional low heel miss but those are just bad swings. the impetus for this thread is my well struck drives, which are still up above 3K Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: Taylormade also drivers usually sit on the lower end of spin, SIM2 or Stealth Plus, plus you can get the 8 degree and turn it down to 6. Traditionally the PING LST is lower spinning but not the lowest. Though checking strike, I recall your coach has a quad or did if you are still working with them, to make sure that is not adding more spin. thanks for the suggestion but i didn’t get along with the sim2 at all. that’s what i played before moving to my ping. plus, i went through 3 of them in two seasons, after going through two original sims. i have concerns about their durability. ejgaudette 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: 12-13* usually. though i’d like to see it around 10*. i generally strike it high middle to high and slightly toe side. i have the occasional low heel miss but those are just bad swings. the impetus for this thread is my well struck drives, which are still up above 3K That doesn’t make sense. The numbers you have provided should not be generating that kind of spin. What is your dynamic loft? PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: thanks for the suggestion but i didn’t get along with the sim2 at all. that’s what i played before moving to my ping. plus, i went through 3 of them in two seasons, after going through two original sims. i have concerns about their durability. Well that would make me not to use them either. Maybe the mixed construction with carbon is the issue. The all titanium Titliest might make sense, and the Cobra is another good option, though does have that mixed construction. Though they have the LTDx LS long driver version. If it can handle Berkshire and Bryson one would imagine it would hold up. Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySP Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Are you on a radar or forsight? I’d be curious if TrackMan doesn’t get the Bridgestone ball well inside. my guess is that at your speeds that’s just always going to be a battle. More speed = more spin kind of thing. Getting a smaller weight and adding some hot melt in the front could help too, maybe. I think it would be worth it to try a lower lifter driver, like the Titleist turned down Quote g430 lst TS2 20* hybrid, New Level PF-2: P-7; 902: 6-5 hi-toe 51* and 57* M Craft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 3:07 PM, Chip Strokes said: i’m currently using a ping g425 lst. it’s pretty good for me, but i’m spinning it way too much. teed high, teed low, ball forward, ball back, i’ve tried it all and i can’t get the spin down below 3,000 no matter what i do. my delivery numbers are good. pretty neutral path, maybe 1-2* in to out, 2-3* up, with my main miss being a block where i don’t close the face. i’ve been on the sim plenty, and even the balls i middle up are spinning at 3200-3300. i know i’m leaving 20-30 yards on the table compared to a shot that spins 2400-2500. shaft is a ventus black 7tx and i play the bridgestone b x what’s the lowest spinning head out there? i’m thinking of trying the cobra ltdx ls this winter. any other suggestions? Stealth Plus was SUPER low for me. I’m up 3*-4*, 116 SS, in-to-out 2*. I couldn’t keep anything in the air, so I had to switch. Good luck!!! Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankopotomous Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 You might need a combination of things to get lower spin. Shave a few hundred rpms via a different driver head and maybe try a lower spinning ball (AVX?) to shave off another couple hundred. Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Mavrik 18* 5w; JPX 919 HM Pro 4i; JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Is it a digitally lofted Ping head? At your speed maybe try getting a hold of a low lofted long drive head. Or perhaps a tour issue Callaway head where you know the loft and get a green dot tour adapter. I heard Johnny Wunder say that it starts -1/2* from standard in normal setting and allows -2* more in setting. That could get ya an 8* head down below 6*. The LST is low spin for Ping but definitely not the lowest spinning head out. Quote What is in my Ghost MGS anyday Maverick or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: GT2 with an Aretera Alpha One Blue 55/4 shaft @ 44.75” or GD VF 5s @45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" TSR2 7 wood shaft TBD Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: Apex TiFusion 4-PW 2* flat with PX Hazrdus Gen4 Silver 75s Wedges: JP Camber 48 & 55 shaft TBD Putter: 2024 Phantom 5.5 @ 34” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 There’s nearly a dozen tour pros with the g424 lst in the bag, including Tony Finau. They all swing pretty fast. There’s something going on with contact whether it’s dynamic loft, face to path, combo of the causing the spin. Cam champ and about 1/2 dozen pros have the g425 max which is a lot higher spinning design than the lst and none of these pros are spinning in the 3000 range on “good hits” and someone like champ and Finau have higher speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 hours ago, PMookie said: Stealth Plus was SUPER low for me. I’m up 3*-4*, 116 SS, in-to-out 2*. I couldn’t keep anything in the air, so I had to switch. Good luck!!! thanks, but i’ve had too many TM driver heads fail on me to go back to the well again. 3 hours ago, Shapotomous said: You might need a combination of things to get lower spin. Shave a few hundred rpms via a different driver head and maybe try a lower spinning ball (AVX?) to shave off another couple hundred. i’ve played the avx on and off. it’s way too soft for me. Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: There’s nearly a dozen tour pros with the g424 lst in the bag, including Tony Finau. They all swing pretty fast. There’s something going on with contact whether it’s dynamic loft, face to path, combo of the causing the spin. Cam champ and about 1/2 dozen pros have the g425 max which is a lot higher spinning design than the lst and none of these pros are spinning in the 3000 range on “good hits” and someone like champ and Finau have higher speed i’ll see if i can get some impact data for you. if it’s a low-face impact problem, how would i go about bringing that contact up the face a bit? i already tee the ball with the equator of the ball about even with the top of the crown. any higher than that and my drives just go way too high Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: i’ll see if i can get some impact data for you. if it’s a low-face impact problem, how would i go about bringing that contact up the face a bit? i already tee the ball with the equator of the ball about even with the top of the crown. any higher than that and my drives just go way too high So either that or a smidge back in your stance but that can cause other issues. If strike is good height shouldn’t matter too much. When you say too high do you mean from what you like seeing or what a monitor tells you? Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Chip Strokes said: i’ll see if i can get some impact data for you. if it’s a low-face impact problem, how would i go about bringing that contact up the face a bit? i already tee the ball with the equator of the ball about even with the top of the crown. any higher than that and my drives just go way too high Look on wrx for Howard’s driver tuneup thread and follow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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