Owengeorge13 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 LiiFTMoRE week2day4 glutes/hamstrings.treadmill. (These workouts are 45 minutes. I may have to go back to LiiFT4. I’m starting to run out of time every night ejgaudette, cksurfdude, taylorjonasher and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huse343 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Excellent forum idea! I believe people really underestimate the benefit of physical fitness in relation to golf. The obvious reasons are more speed and power, but, I believe flexibility is more important. Being flexible in golf will absolutely lower your scores, as well as help prevent injuries on and off the course. When I played golf in college, my mentor pushed me to make physical fitness a priority. When I did, I made huge improvements on the course. I was able to hit it further, straighter, and get out of trouble a lot easier. One of the biggest target areas should be your core strength. The golf swing is centralized around your core. Having a stable core will allow you to do so much more with your golf swing. One thing that is not done enough is a pre-round/practice stretching routine. Stretching before you play has incredible benefits, that will allow you to shoot lower scores. jbern, taylorjonasher, Owengeorge13 and 2 others 5 Quote Stealth 2 driver, Sim Max 2 3W, Nike VRPro 5W, Stealth irons, Cleveland ZipCore wedges, and Odyssey White Ice 330 putter. TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huse343 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Excellent forum idea! I believe people really underestimate the benefit of physical fitness in relation to golf. The obvious reasons are more speed and power, but, I believe flexibility is more important. Being flexible in golf will absolutely lower your scores, as well as help prevent injuries on and off the course. When I played golf in college, my mentor pushed me to make physical fitness a priority. When I did, I made huge improvements on the course. I was able to hit it further, straighter, and get out of trouble a lot easier. One of the biggest target areas should be your core strength. The golf swing is centralized around your core. Having a stable core will allow you to do so much more with your golf swing. One thing that is not done enough is a pre-round/practice stretching routine. Stretching before you play has incredible benefits, that will allow you to shoot lower scores. Owengeorge13 and Michael.Sandoval33 2 Quote Stealth 2 driver, Sim Max 2 3W, Nike VRPro 5W, Stealth irons, Cleveland ZipCore wedges, and Odyssey White Ice 330 putter. TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael.Sandoval33 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Hey guys, any good stretches/strength building tips for the lower back that can be done at home? Dealt with a few days of lower back stiffness/pain and would definitely like to be on the field more often than the sidelines this upcoming year. At only 33, the body is starting to show that I need to care better for it. Any advice is more than appreciated! Owengeorge13, ejgaudette, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote WITB Driver: Qi10 Max Hybrid: FX Max 5h 5i-9i: FX Max 10 Wedges: 48°, 52°, 56° Putter: HB Soft 14 Ball: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Yesterday's Workout - Shoulders - https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14521708393 Calories Burned - 3,231 Calories Consumed - 1,986 Weight: 190.8 Today's Workout - Legs - https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14528643425 Gym was surprisingly busy for 545am - I had to wait at leg extensions and leg curls, and almost didn't get into the cables. Total wait time of 17 minutes today. Busy weekend coming up - tonight I'm travelling down a couple hours south for my daughter's state gymnastics competition, a fundraiser sim golf tournament tomorrow morning at 8am, then entertaining my six year old and one of his friends for a few hours before they head out for his birthday party and I part ways for my annual beer festival with my brothers. On top of that I have a paper due on Saturday for the classes I am taking, project bid revisions that need to be ready for Monday and at some point I might get a couple hours of sleep. Get some! jbern, cksurfdude, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 LiiFTMoRE week2 day5: shoulders/core, treadmill run ejgaudette, cksurfdude, jbern and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 LiiFT4 week 4day1: chest/tri, treadmill walk/run/walk jbern, cksurfdude, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSaber Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Last run before the race tomorrow. Calling for thunderstorms here in San Diego so probably not a good idea to carry the flag but still going to run it ejgaudette, cksurfdude, VernL4 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Epic Max LS 3 Wood: Gen 5 0311XF Hybrid: Gen 5 0311 XF 22 degree Irons: 2022 XCOR2 0211 5-GW Wedges: R Series 54° & 60° Putter: 2023 Test: Garmin Approach S70 47mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSaber Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Ran the San Diego Half Marathon today in honor of LCpl Stephen Perez. It was incredibly windy and my arms were spent after 4 miles. I'll probably be hurting from this one for a while. I was hoping to get under 2hrs 30 minutes for the race but the gail force winds certainly did a number on me. VernL4, Preeway, Michael.Sandoval33 and 6 others 4 2 3 Quote Driver: Epic Max LS 3 Wood: Gen 5 0311XF Hybrid: Gen 5 0311 XF 22 degree Irons: 2022 XCOR2 0211 5-GW Wedges: R Series 54° & 60° Putter: 2023 Test: Garmin Approach S70 47mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 Not a lot to share on my fitness journey as of late. Getting a. Cortisone shot Thursday and then hopefully I can get after it again next week. I am down about 5# over the last month mostly just from eating a little better and smarter. Owengeorge13, BallsLeon, ejgaudette and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, FallenSaber said: Ran the San Diego Half Marathon today in honor of LCpl Stephen Perez. It was incredibly windy and my arms were spent after 4 miles. I'll probably be hurting from this one for a while. I was hoping to get under 2hrs 30 minutes for the race but the gail force winds certainly did a number on me. Congrats on the finish! Impressive and honorable that you held the flag! Awesome stuff! FallenSaber, cksurfdude and Owengeorge13 2 1 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: AL-6 armlock | Unofficial review here Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Last week was a pretty good week for me workout wise. I did my 4 strength workouts on the tonal. Then I also did one decently long bike ride with the family (5 miles). I also got 2 stretching sessions in for my shoulder issues I’ve been having and some knee flare-ups. The stretching has really helped and I haven’t felt the pain since starting them twice a week! I don’t know if this counts, but I went golfing today and it was cart path only on a very hilly golf course in Branson, Mo. I definitely got some steps in! taylorjonasher, FallenSaber, Preeway and 4 others 7 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: AL-6 armlock | Unofficial review here Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 10 hours ago, jbern said: I don’t know if this counts, but I went golfing today and it was cart path only on a very hilly golf course in Branson, Mo. I definitely got some steps in! It definitely counts! Golf, especially walking, burns tons of calories (1,400 - 2,000 according to golf.com). Glad you got some outdoor golf in - we had 5" of the four letter "s" word on Friday. Was only supposed to be a trace to 1". cksurfdude, Owengeorge13, jbern and 1 other 3 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Today's Workout - Push: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14573451670 Yesterday's Calories Consumed: 2,134 Yesterday's Calories Burned: 2,523 Today's Weight: 195 Saturday was a sh**show - I had a sim golf tournament in the morning (played lights out for the front nine shooting a solo -6 in a three man scramble, then melted down on the back to finish -2). I had my annual brother's beer festival and went to town on ribs, several fantastic sides and the 30 different beers we sampled. Somehow I drank enough water to be able to get some decent sleep on Saturday night. I can't believe how much alcohol screws up my sleep now - I'm not sure at what age the switch flipped, but it seems like within the last 2 years anytime I have a beer after 8:30pm my sleep is pretty much guaranteed to be f'd hard either by heartburn or just poor quality sleep. Owengeorge13, cksurfdude, ejgaudette and 2 others 5 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Leighton Reid Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Five mornings per week I do set-ups, planks, push-ups, stretching exercises, and swing a weighted club. I also walk while playing golf and walk with my wife. I will turn 65 this summer and my goal is to play golf for as many years as possible. taylorjonasher, ejgaudette, BallsLeon and 4 others 7 Quote Ping G430 Max 10k 9° w/UST MP5 L-Flex Ping G425 3 wood 14.5° w/Ventus Velocore Blue-6R tipped 1" Cleveland Halo Launcher 5 wood 18° with Project X Cypher R Callaway Rogue 19° hybrid regular PXG Gen 3 0311XF 5 - G steel regular Corey Paul wedges bent to 53° and 58° Scotty Cameron Phantom X 11.5 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSaber Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 13 hours ago, jbern said: Last week was a pretty good week for me workout wise. I did my 4 strength workouts on the tonal. Then I also did one decently long bike ride with the family (5 miles). I also got 2 stretching sessions in for my shoulder issues I’ve been having and some knee flare-ups. The stretching has really helped and I haven’t felt the pain since starting them twice a week! I don’t know if this counts, but I went golfing today and it was cart path only on a very hilly golf course in Branson, Mo. I definitely got some steps in! Golfing definitely counts as fitness! cksurfdude, jbern and Owengeorge13 3 Quote Driver: Epic Max LS 3 Wood: Gen 5 0311XF Hybrid: Gen 5 0311 XF 22 degree Irons: 2022 XCOR2 0211 5-GW Wedges: R Series 54° & 60° Putter: 2023 Test: Garmin Approach S70 47mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 So I also prefer to walk when I play .. with an electric push cart .. and got out for 9 yesterday with my wife. We played the Back 9 and on Hole 16 the battery died... Was thinking about ditching the cart at the side of the tee on 17 and just carrying a few clubs but then said what the heck. Adjust the wheels to free wheel and off we go. #17 is a Par 5 that plays mostly downhill .. so that was ok .. but 18 is a longish Par 4 that is uphill from the tee, then levels out, then goes up again towards the green... So I got some extra leg work in! Then... Doubled down this morning - a friend calls me up .. I'm 5 minutes from your house, we're going for a hike! .. we drive a few miles to a big state park. Thought it was gonna be 6 miles .. in the cold and *blowing* wind .. but turned into closer to 8 (and yes haha felt like 10!). But a good workout - some up- and downhill and a big part of it was a single track trail running along the bluffs overlooking the water. Nature highlight - early on the walk while still on a main path we're passing by a not super tall tree .. suddenly something large takes off .. turns into two very large things - Bald Eagles!! Two together! Wow!! They just kinda flapped once or twice and floated over to the far side of pond .. and just as soon as they settled down a third took off from our side to join them... Wow. Three, all adult, Bald Eagles up close and personal! Very cool. jbern, taylorjonasher, ejgaudette and 1 other 3 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 LiiFT 4 week3day2: back/bi/hiit/core. Golf medicine ball, treadmill walk jbern, cksurfdude and ejgaudette 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Today's Workout - Pull: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14588914661 Weight - 193.5 Yesterdays' Calories Consumed: 1,932 Yesterday's Calories Burned: 3,131 Hands are a little ripped up from the deadlifts today. I have chalk, but with the rain and really high humidity it was really cakey this morning and didn't do much. cksurfdude, jbern and ejgaudette 3 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 A bunch of different things, I went after it… ejgaudette, cksurfdude, jbern and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Lots of alcohol…then no alcohol. Just incase anyone wants to know what it does to you. I definitely went overboard on Saturday night… cksurfdude, taylorjonasher, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSaber Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Nice work @Owengeorge13. I've also kotic3d my sleep score goes down if I drink a decent amount. The balance of my breathing gets knocked off and I don't sleep quiet as well. cksurfdude, Owengeorge13 and jbern 3 Quote Driver: Epic Max LS 3 Wood: Gen 5 0311XF Hybrid: Gen 5 0311 XF 22 degree Irons: 2022 XCOR2 0211 5-GW Wedges: R Series 54° & 60° Putter: 2023 Test: Garmin Approach S70 47mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSaber Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 A deliberately slow 5k run with a more intense uphill run. I was able to keep my heart rate average below 150 for the 5k to recover from the half marathon then pushed myself to run up a hill. Probably not the best decision but wanted to push myself some. My left knee and right ankle are still acking from the race. I'm only 21 miles from hitting 100 for the month of March. My plan was 1 mile short so I added an extra mile today. I'm going to run 4 miles tomorrow, golf Torrey North on Thursday, run 7 miles on Friday, and get 10 miles in on Sunday. Owengeorge13, jbern, ejgaudette and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: Epic Max LS 3 Wood: Gen 5 0311XF Hybrid: Gen 5 0311 XF 22 degree Irons: 2022 XCOR2 0211 5-GW Wedges: R Series 54° & 60° Putter: 2023 Test: Garmin Approach S70 47mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Today's Workout - Run 2.5 Miles: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14607547668 Today's Weight: 191.7 Yesterday's Calories Consumed: 1,887 Yesterday's Calories Burned: 3,405 Yesterday my pull workout smoked me, and then had a 7U baseball scrimmage where I ran around for an hour and a half getting kids into position. I hit 10,000 steps pretty early in the session. Slept pretty good last night for only getting 5.5 hours. jbern, cksurfdude, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney_bogey Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Can I do a brag then? They tell me squats help with power so I squat heavy. Today I hit 365lb for 2! I'm only 152lb on most days. Felt good. Nowhere else to share this. So thank you for being there, Spies. B ejgaudette, jbern, cksurfdude and 2 others 4 1 Quote Odyssey XG #9 Cleveland CG15 wedges 54/58 Takomo 101 irons PW-4 Rescue hybrid 3 M6 3W & Driver Bridgestone e12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) LiiFT4, week4,day3 shoulders/hiit/core, golf medicine ball, swing trainer. Treadmill jog/run/walk Edited March 27 by Owengeorge13 cksurfdude, jbern and ejgaudette 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, barney_bogey said: Can I do a brag then? They tell me squats help with power so I squat heavy. Today I hit 365lb for 2! I'm only 152lb on most days. Felt good. Nowhere else to share this. So thank you for being there, Spies. B That's f***ing sweet! I'm trying to slowly work my way back up there. I got back up to 4x3 @295 two years ago. In high school my 1R max was 405, I don't think I'll get get back up that high. barney_bogey, ejgaudette, jbern and 1 other 4 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 7 hours ago, barney_bogey said: Can I do a brag then? They tell me squats help with power so I squat heavy. Today I hit 365lb for 2! I'm only 152lb on most days. Felt good. Nowhere else to share this. So thank you for being there, Spies. B I love a good PB! Congrats and you’re welcome to brag anytime! I’d encourage it actually! cksurfdude and barney_bogey 2 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: AL-6 armlock | Unofficial review here Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorjonasher Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Today's Workout - Shoulders: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/14620308889 Weight: 193.1 Yesterday's Calories Consumed: 2,214 Yesterday's Calories Burned: 3,060 My youngest son wanted pizza for his birthday (actual birthday on Tuesday, but we had a baseball scrimmage and weren't able to officially celebrate), so we went out and snagged a pie at our favorite place. I hit the pepperoni and bacon hard, and it was worth it! Still managed a good deficit for the day. I'm not sure if I have metabolically adapted or if my burn / intake numbers are off, but it feels like my goal is going much slower than what the math says it should. I'm down to 193ish from my start of 199, and I should be closer to 185 given the timeline and almost three months of 95% disciplined eating and working out. Getting old sucks, I guess. ejgaudette, FallenSaber, jbern and 1 other 4 Quote Titleist TSR3 // Tensei 1K Black 65g Titleist TSR3 3W 15* // HZRDOUS Black 70g Titleist U505 2i // HZRDOUS Black 85g Taylormade P770 4-PW // Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 105g Callaway JAWS MD5 50* Callaway JAWS Raw 54* / 58* Taylormade Spider GTX Single Bend Splitback / Ping Zing 2 Titleist ProV1 // Srixon Z-Star XV (Depending on how much money I want to lose any given swing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owengeorge13 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 LiiFT4, week4day4. Legs/hiit/core, treadmill. Swingtrainer ejgaudette, cksurfdude and jbern 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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