JEFF1 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Pricing of golf clubs has gone over the top. I just purchased a Ping 430 driver with a custom shaft, $900.00 with tax. That is ridiculous ( I am lucky i can throw money away). I must admit it is the best club I have hit in years. With ping 425 graphite irons and ping woods, my bag cost cost close to $3000.00 . That is just not right. How can the average golfer even think about that kind of purchase? That is two mortgage payments. Dweed and silver & black 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Josh Parker Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 So many good DTC brands as well as used clubs at good prices. You can get the cost down if you are willing to hunt for it. Yes, the custom shafts are extra, but I have bought several for half the cost just by looking. Shrek74 and cnosil 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 36 minutes ago, JEFF1 said: Pricing of golf clubs has gone over the top. I just purchased a Ping 430 driver with a custom shaft, $900.00 with tax. That is ridiculous ( I am lucky i can throw money away). I must admit it is the best club I have hit in years. With ping 425 graphite irons and ping woods, my bag cost cost close to $3000.00 . That is just not right. How can the average golfer even think about that kind of purchase? That is two mortgage payments. I think this is where we have seen companies like Robin Golf, Stix, BGD and all the other main DTC brands come into play. Solid if not great products at lower prices. For you those clubs work great for you and as you basically say you can afford it, but that's the top top tier. Like buying cars you can go premium and pay that or go look at more basic affordable options that will still get you from A to B. Also the prices are that high because many such as yourself are willing to pay that price. If ppl will pay it why wouldn't they have them at that price? Shrek74, Dweed and cnosil 3 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
JEFF1 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 30 minutes ago, Josh Parker said: So many good DTC brands as well as used clubs at good prices. You can get the cost down if you are willing to hunt for it. Yes, the custom shafts are extra, but I have bought several for half the cost just by looking. I agree, so you cut the cost by50-60% you are still paying over$1000.00 for used equipment. Probably have to replace grips,$70.00+, graphite scuffs from golf bag, etc. I bought a set of irons on line used,once. I took the grips off to find that the shafts were cut down to equal lengths then extentions were put into shafts to bring them back to factory specs. So ?? Quote Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, JEFF1 said: I agree, so you cut the cost by50-60% you are still paying over$1000.00 for used equipment. Probably have to replace grips,$70.00+, graphite scuffs from golf bag, etc. I bought a set of irons on line used,once. I took the grips off to find that the shafts were cut down to equal lengths then extentions were put into shafts to bring them back to factory specs. So ?? I would guess that is a rarity. I've bought my fair share and never had any of those issues. Even found good sets with like new grips. Proper places will have better quality and there are other used places that carry higher risks. Shrek74 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
Josh Parker Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, JEFF1 said: I agree, so you cut the cost by50-60% you are still paying over$1000.00 for used equipment. Probably have to replace grips,$70.00+, graphite scuffs from golf bag, etc. I bought a set of irons on line used,once. I took the grips off to find that the shafts were cut down to equal lengths then extentions were put into shafts to bring them back to factory specs. So ?? Between FB, Callaway pre owned and several others, there are a ton of quality ways to buy used. Shoot I can go find thus years drivers for under 300. People change clubs constantly or have a bad round and get rid of them. I have found irons with barely any wear for half price. It's just having the patience to go out and hunt for it. Dweed, Shrek74 and cnosil 3 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment
JEFF1 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 9 minutes ago, Josh Parker said: Between FB, Callaway pre owned and several others, there are a ton of quality ways to buy used. Shoot I can go find thus years drivers for under 300. People change clubs constantly or have a bad round and get rid of them. I have found irons with barely any wear for half price. It's just having the patience to go out and hunt for it. Patience is the proper statement. Right, shaft flex, lie angle, etc. etc. How many beginners or golfers that have played more than five rounds understand the need for proper fitting to kind of enjoy four hours without worm burners and horrible slices. Dweed 1 Quote Link to comment
Josh Parker Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, JEFF1 said: Patience is the proper statement. Right, shaft flex, lie angle, etc. etc. How many beginners or golfers that have played more than five rounds understand the need for proper fitting to kind of enjoy four hours without worm burners and horrible slices. You mentioned "average" golfer and I take that as most don't do fittings and buy off the shelf. Even still, I have bought drivers with the wrong shaft, because I kept the right one and just had adapter changed. I 100% agree that the prices have gone thru the roof, but I also will hunt for the deals and slightly used ones if I really want something. There are some great DTC companies that you can get a full set of irons under $900. Foreward Golf irons are similar build to Srixon and I can get the heads for $600. On CPO, I can find last years driver for under $300 or the model before for under $200. Just saying, if you want to minimize the cost of clubs, there are certainly ways to make it happen. The only thing new I have bought is my Srixon Irons and a set of last years Vokey wedges. Clubs just don't hold value. Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment
Brooky03 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, JEFF1 said: Patience is the proper statement. Right, shaft flex, lie angle, etc. etc. How many beginners or golfers that have played more than five rounds understand the need for proper fitting to kind of enjoy four hours without worm burners and horrible slices. fwiw, off-the-rack clubs with standard specs are going to work just fine for over 90% of golfers. Golfers prior to fittings becoming popular managed to enjoy the game without spending money on fittings and custom spec clubs. This holds true for beginners and experienced players, imo. Fittings have value and can help you play better golf, but we're usually talking about mild improvements that manifest as rounds a few strokes lower than prior to the fitting. Edited April 19 by Brooky03 silver & black 1 Quote Link to comment
JEFF1 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, Brooky03 said: fwiw, off-the-rack clubs with standard specs are going to work just fine for over 90% of golfers. Golfers prior to fittings becoming popular managed to enjoy the game without spending money on fittings and custom spec clubs. This holds true for beginners and experienced players, imo. Fittings have value and can help you play better golf, but we're usually talking about mild improvements that manifest as rounds a few strokes lower than prior to the fitting. Lower strokes more wins, how many beers, money will you win with lower scores? It has been years since I walked on the course without some type of match. I am done by. Quote Link to comment
Stuka44 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, JEFF1 said: Pricing of golf clubs has gone over the top. I agree 100%. My response is the same every time. New equipment costs, what it does...BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMER. They charge what they do, BECASUE THEY CAN. To be clear. No equipment manufacturer is LOSING money on any club it produces. ANOTHER TRUTH is this. There are not enough beginners, or people just taking up this game, who are running out and paying $700 for a driver, and $1500 for irons, because they are going out to a course for the first time. The club industry is supported, because there are enough people who purchase new equipment every year, or every other year is probably enough, to keep them going. I put it on one of two reasons. Either they purchase it because the price has not gotten to the point that they will choose to stop purchasing, or they likely believe the "advertising pitch", that each and every year for the last 25 years they have been able to come out with something "better", that will actually make the golfer better. Remember unless clubs are bought used off of a 2nd hand store, When the price is reduced by $150-200 because it was last years model, that it only done because enough were purchased at the higher price to have assured a profit. More than likely this 150-200 dollar reduction is still more than Dick's Sporting goods paid for them per piece. The only way prices are going to come down is when the club manufacturers begin to make A LOT LESS MONEY, because people stop buying all the new stuff every year it comes out. As long as they can MAKE MORE money, they are going to CHARGE MORE, until they don't make more. Dweed and silver & black 2 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro 2H Woods: Gigagolf 3W, Putter: Ping Scottsdale Wolverine Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment
JEFF1 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 I buy a new driver, next year a new driver comes out and states it is 30 yards longer than the one you just bought. I buy that club, next year another driver comes out again 30 yards longer than the last club purchased. Now I should be hitting 280 yards but guess what I am still hitting 220 yards. Same BS with irons, that is why people keep supporting the business. Dweed 1 Quote Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 16 minutes ago, JEFF1 said: I buy a new driver, next year a new driver comes out and states it is 30 yards longer than the one you just bought. I buy that club, next year another driver comes out again 30 yards longer than the last club purchased. Now I should be hitting 280 yards but guess what I am still hitting 220 yards. Same BS with irons, that is why people keep supporting the business. Sorry but gotta push back here. When was the last time a club claimed to be 30 yards longer as for a driver? That just isn't true. cnosil, Dweed and Northern Monkey 3 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, JEFF1 said: I buy a new driver, next year a new driver comes out and states it is 30 yards longer than the one you just bought. I buy that club, next year another driver comes out again 30 yards longer than the last club purchased. Now I should be hitting 280 yards but guess what I am still hitting 220 yards. Same BS with irons, that is why people keep supporting the business. i have never seen a company say that their driver was longer than the one that came out the prior year. Back when that type of advertising was done they comparison was done against 5-10 year old clubs. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Maybe the OP is meaning that's what someone at a shop said? Just trying to give the benefit of a doubt. I think the most I have seen a company claim is 5 or so yards longer. Even that is a bit of a stretch and usually data that is cherry picked from a certain spot or certain specific situation. Dweed 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
Brooky03 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 hours ago, JEFF1 said: Lower strokes more wins, how many beers, money will you win with lower scores? It has been years since I walked on the course without some type of match. I am done by. Well, that's something different than what you had described originally. Most people aren't playing golf for money, especially beginners. So shaving a few strokes isn't going to make a big impact on their enjoyment. Quote Link to comment
MN_Hacker Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 On 4/19/2024 at 5:43 AM, JEFF1 said: Pricing of golf clubs has gone over the top. I just purchased a Ping 430 driver with a custom shaft, $900.00 with tax. That is ridiculous ( I am lucky i can throw money away). I must admit it is the best club I have hit in years. With ping 425 graphite irons and ping woods, my bag cost cost close to $3000.00 . That is just not right. How can the average golfer even think about that kind of purchase? That is two mortgage payments. You can go to Golfworks and get a set of hybrids and irons made to your specs for $300, add a driver and fairway and come in around $550-600. You don't need expensive clubs to enjoy the game. M890 combo set Driver with Kuro Kage shaft upgrade 890 fairway with same shaft upgrade Quote Paradym driver Paradym X 3HL Paradym 7w Maltby KE4 Tour TC 5 Hybrid Paradym irons 6-AW Jaws Raw 54*, 58* Versa 3T Link to comment
fightingtigerinOK Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 You do not need to purchase clubs you cannot afford. There are very good deals with equipment that has depreciated (i.e., used) and is reasonably priced. Quote Driver: CALLAWAY Ai Smoke FUJIKURA VENTUS 9 Hybrid: MIZUNO Fli-Hi 2-3 KBS CUSTOM + TOUR 130X GRAPHITE Irons: MIZUNO 241 4-PW KBS CUSTOM + TOUR 130X GRAPHITE Wedges: PXG SUGAR DADDY II 50(10), 54(10), 58(10) KBS CUSTOM + TOUR 130X GRAPHITE Putter: LAB GOLF 2.1 LaGOLF 130, PRESS GRIP Ball: WILSON TOUR Grips: BEST GRIPS GRIDIRON Bag: BAG PING HOOFER Sim: GOLFZON TwoVision Link to comment
Bossfan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I used to buy one and two year old models because new just didn’t make any sense to me at those prices. Then Sub 70 opened for business about a half hour from my house. I figured why not give them a shot. Been more than happy with their products and service. Back in February I went and got fitted for a set of 749 irons. There was a Presidents’ Day discount, I had a gift card and trade ins. I paid just less than $300. I got upgraded shafts and they reshafted my 699U. You can’t beat that for a quality product and service. Quote D- Tour Edge EXS 220 4W- Sub 70 949X Hybrid- Sub 70 949X Utility- Sub 70 699 U 21 degree Irons- Sub 70 749 5-PW Wedges- Sub 70 286 50+54, Tour Edge 1 out 58 degree Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach soft # 11 Ball- Titleist Tour Soft Link to comment
Dweed Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 4/19/2024 at 9:52 AM, JEFF1 said: I buy a new driver, next year a new driver comes out and states it is 30 yards longer than the one you just bought. I buy that club, next year another driver comes out again 30 yards longer than the last club purchased. Now I should be hitting 280 yards but guess what I am still hitting 220 yards. Same BS with irons, that is why people keep supporting the business. @JEFF1, regardless welcome to the forums. As you've discovered not everyone will agree and that's the cool thing about these postings. A lot of honest sharing occurs. Welcome aboard and thanks for your sharing. cnosil 1 Quote D- Ping G 400 SFT 16*- Adams Tight Lie 19*- Adams Tight Lie 4H- Ping G 400 5-U- Ping G 400 SW- Nike 56*- Ping Glide 2 P- Sub70 004 Mallet Link to comment
Eat My Divots Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 4/19/2024 at 5:43 AM, JEFF1 said: Pricing of golf clubs has gone over the top. I just purchased a Ping 430 driver with a custom shaft, $900.00 with tax. That is ridiculous ( I am lucky i can throw money away). I must admit it is the best club I have hit in years. With ping 425 graphite irons and ping woods, my bag cost cost close to $3000.00 . That is just not right. How can the average golfer even think about that kind of purchase? That is two mortgage payments. The average golfer doesn't have $3000 worth of clubs in the bag. Most likely half that or less. Quote Link to comment
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