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11 hours ago, PMookie said:
One thing that a DBM finish would do is increase the durability of the i210s. I posted this pic in my FWB Stage 2. The face was marked-up on this 9 iron after I hit a dirty ball on the range. I don’t even have 3 rounds in with these yet...
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Mine didn’t look like that at all.
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2 hours ago, PMookie said:
I’m wondering if any of the i210 testers see what I see... When I look down at the PW, it looks closed, and very upright. I think it has to do with the way the top edge that meets the hosel is cut-out.
Anyone else get a sense of upright and closed at address???
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProI thought it looked square but felt like it and the uw were showing more loft than my sm7 gw and both p790 and pxg pw
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1 hour ago, strokerAce said:
...the idea of non-golf threads on a golf forum is a little perplexing to me, but I also understand how folks want to engage with each other on a personal level and share a part of their lives that isn't golf related. Certainly a tricky balance.
I do agree with @jlukes in regards to the rant thread though.... not sure how much good it is serving.
Sometimes I shake my head especially when there’s more non golf related new threads than golf ones. Thankfully I can come here for a lot more golf threads and very few none.
48 minutes ago, bergtaur said:If I may be heard on this issue?
I think the rant thread can be a good place to get advice and support from the community when things aren't going your way or you need perspective on things that because of the situation you're in you can't find right now. It is disappointing however to see where the turn can be made down to some dark spots in our minds.
So, how to change it? Well, I agree with potentially wiping this thread from the board, but with it, a MOD or STAFF member should create a new one and in post #1 lay down the law for what's good in the thread including no-go's, potential punishment for those who flirt with the line, and just general cool mod stuff that us plebs don't have access to. It would serve as a solid reminder for the guidelines the forum exists on and sets the boundaries in this thread to potentially curb moving down the weird and dark holes.
Or, as Charli suggests, perhaps moving it to the 19th Hole for golf specific rants may be ok as well. Those are my .02
I like your idea of using it for advice but imo if someone needed advice they could start a thread in the same section. More than likely that would get more eyes than in the rant thread. I tend to stay out of this thread for some of the reasons mentioned today for what happens in here.
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Strength, lag, speed, swing arc, all greater with elite male golfers.
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My stage 2 is updated.
- MattF and Golfspy_CG2
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Pxg Sugar daddy wedges
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After getting some numbers for stage 2 review I spent time on the range trying to get my swing back to making closer to center contact. Been struggling the last few months with pressure transfer in the takeaway that has caused some issues with getting to far in front of the ball in transition and either hittin some high push fades or some pulls (the pulls are pretty playable and starts only a few yards left of target line and just stay on that path). Struggled for most of the range session but it was starting to come back a little as I started hitting more of the fade I prefer or relatively straight. Season is coming to an end but will be getting an online swing evaluation from a coach I am considering online programming with
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28 minutes ago, SteddyGolf said:
You are so so right. How many times have you hit a friend’s clubs and found them to be garbage in your hands even though that person raved about them? To many to count would be my answer. I think often we all fail to look at the complete package in terms of shaft, grip and fitting. It makes a world of difference if you have the right combination.
During my review of the i210 I took the i25s out to the course with me. Every time I hit an iron I hit two balls; one with each model. The i25s one the match by a whopping two strokes
. My i25 have the Ping model CFC shafts while the i210s were fitted with XP 95s. I think there I’m lies the difference.
Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpyA little difference in shafts but having hit both not sure they vary performance much
i had a conversation with three people today about the grips on mine. While I have no issue with the midsize that Ping got tool recommended and as noted above I’m a fan if the i210s (was before the review started as I tested them several times) I am curious to se how the feel in hand would change abd if I would see any change in performance.
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1 hour ago, SteddyGolf said:
I've never hit the i200 but I do have a set of i25s. The i210s are larger by approximately 1/4 inch longer and maybe an 1/8 of an inch taller than the i25. If I am honest I prefer the performance of the i25s. If you are in the market for new irons and already own the i200s or i25s I recommend you not trade for the i210. If you have another brand or older model PING then strong consideration should be given to the i210 irons.
Goes to show how clubs can be different for everyone. I thought the i25 was a bad release from the i20 and went away from ping at that point. The ie1 were an improvement on the i25 but not as good as the i20. Like the i25 I though the i200 failed on improving from the ie1. I think the i210 are back where the i20 left off in looks, feel and performance.
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9 minutes ago, goaliewales14 said:
I know it was mentioned a few comments ago, but I'm interested in how you feel about a "players" iron not being forged. Is it soft enough to the point you don't think it needs to be?
Also how are the mishits? Are you seeing a lot of distance drop off with them?
I’m sure many will touch on these questions in stage 2, I know I will be so not to spoil those updates here’s my thoughts
For me ping delivers on their claim of feel
mishits produce the expected results from this type of club and with many clubs there is a difference in distances with mishits and god strikes
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1 hour ago, GB13 said:
Can any of y'all give a comparison to the original I200's?
Better imo in every aspect
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1 hour ago, russtopherb said:
I never said they would be an apples to apples comparison. I said that I liked reading the testers talk about height and stopping power vs THEIR gamers... not mine
Gotcha.
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6 hours ago, russtopherb said:
Currently have the Wilson/Staff D300s in the bag. Many thanks!!
The i210 compared to the d300s won’t be an apples to apples comparison. I210 per ping is a distance precision based club where d300 is designed for distance. Not sure i500 would be a direct comparison but would be a lot closer.
in my testing with the i210 I see very similar stopping power to pxg 0311t, 716/718 CB. The p790 had a little less stopping power where I would see a few feet of roll out in the 4-6i...p790 would be a direct comparison to i500
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6 hours ago, GB13 said:
Great stage 1's guys. I have to admit, I am a *little* jealous.
Did any of y'all see blotting or scratching upon arrival of the finish like @Har in the Hat in the I500 review.
I didn’t see that on mine.
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My stage 1 has been updated.
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Intro
Again thank you to Ping and MyGolfSpy for this chance to review the i210s for the great members of this forum. I’m someone who can tell relatively quickly whether a club will work for me or not and also what I can or cannot do. After the interest from the first range session, I was excited to get these on the course to see what they could do from the short grass and what has been some thick rough in the DC area all year on some of the courses I normally play. My testing has been a combination of range time (15 sessions) and on course (6 full rounds and 3 nine hole rounds with iron only). I used my range sessions to get a feel for distances initially, then to test the ability to play different shot shapes with these. Since I normally hit a high ball I wanted to see if I could play knock down shot as well as hit draws and fades.
Looks (9.5 out of 10 points)
Ping’s website states “A refined, more compact shape and look combined with minimal, progressive offset help convey the high-end appeal of the set.” I have to agree with them on the refined and compact look, for the me these setup beautifully and the offset has been unnoticeable to my eye. The rounded toe along with a topline that is not too thick and not too small frames the ball perfectly at address. To me Ping has improved the look of the cavity with well blended lines from the sole up thru the top line. While these do not have the glamour of a blade they draw the eye to the bag and on several occasions during my range time several people have asked what irons are in my bag. The iron number on the toe is the one thing that keeps me from giving these a 10. The i210 font draws the eye into the model and is not real bold looking which adds to a neo-classic look in my opinion, similar to how we have seen football jersery numbers change over the years. While keeping a similar style font from previous iterations of the “I” line they kept the thicker looking numbers from the i200. I prefer the i20 style numbering when I’m looking at a Ping iron.
Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points)
Ping describes them as buttery feel. “The activated elastomer insert is much bigger in volume and 50% softer, creating 25% more face contact, ensuring a pure feel at impact while also returning more energy to the ball.” Ping has always done a great job with the feel of the “I” irons. For a non-forged head or face these irons provide a soft feel and that muted sound when properly compressed and hit on the sweet spot. A friend of mine was next to me during one of my range sessions and a couple times he commented “I wasn’t watching but I can tell by the sound you hit that good.” Ping has also done a good job with sound on mis-hits. There is a small click when caught low on the face and a slight increase in the sound when hit on both heel and toe side of the sweet spot, the sounds are close to more solid contact but they have just enough of a noticeable difference to offer the golfer the feedback on where the miss was. The sound and feel reminds me somewhat of the Srixon irons when hit in the center and better sound and feel than the i500 and AP3s when mishit. The results from sound and feel on the mishits have produced expected results.
The first strike was pretty much flushed and the second was a fraction heavy
This one was thinned. on the bottom groove
Range Performance (20 out of 20 points)
In my range sessions, I have tried to break them up into two different segments. First segment is to work thru the bag hitting my normal shot to see if anything noticeable stands out such as distance inconsistency or a change in ball flight exists on mishits and well struck shots. The second segment is used to hit different shot shapes. My normal ball flight is a relatively straight shot or a small fade (especially with mid-long irons) so I spend time trying to work the ball from right to left and occasionally open up the stance to hit a more pronounced fade. Since I tend to play different shots into greens depending on pin placement and trouble around the green, I also spend time hitting knock down shots. The range I frequent uses mats, which allows me to have a good and consistent lie to test these different flights. I have found it easier to play a draw than to play a 5+ yard fade. I haven’t had any issues flighting the ball down with 6i thru GW although the GW appears to have a higher flight than my sm7 GW on these shots. It’s been quite some time since I played a set GW, possibly the i20 GW being the last one. One of the reasons I added GW to the order was to see how it compared to a non-set GW in regards to partial shots. Since I know there is a segment of golfers out there that prefer the added forgiveness and set consistency with a set GW I wanted to make sure I added this aspect to the review. With all clubs distances on full swings have been consistent with only a small 1-3 yard variation front to back when the ball strikes the center of the face. Toe shots have produced a bigger right to left flight than heel shots have for right to left. Height remains consistent with mishits.
Top is Ping and bottom is PXG in both Trackman data and pics. During the session with Trackman I was unable to compare 5i because I didn't have PXG one in my bag due to bag setup from previous on course testing session.
On-Course Performance (38 out of 40 points)
I am not one who keeps stats during the year or from year to year so I don’t have any for GIR or up/down percentage. With so many variables in golf and from course to course I don’t worry about those numbers and am more focused on getting the little white ball in the hole with the least amount of strokes. For me I could miss fairways and hit greens and vice versa. As I mentioned above I do not always full swing every club since pin placement, trouble, green conditions, etc go into my club choice into greens, so I do not have any numbers with my gamers or these irons for on course comparison to distances seen. My on course testing was to see if distances on full swings were similar to what I saw on the range, how well they held greens on full and partial shots and if lateral dispersion equaled that of my range time. I played some rounds like I would any other time and spent a few rounds playing just irons from the tee to get a feel for how they performed off a tee and from the deck. During the testing period we have had warm, cool and wet weather with a few days of high winds so I have had the pleasure of testing this in various conditions.
Both on the range and on the course I was seeing similar results in ball height which as noted above is relatively high and one of the reasons I went with the PX 6.0 shaft in an effort to reduce the height some. Overall trajectory as well as dispersion both front to back and side to side. It is nice to see that when a ball is struck on a certain part of the face at the range and the resulting shot that on the course there is no surprise when the same shot occurs. Based on Ping’s claims about turf interaction “The lead edge and sole profile were enhanced to improve turf interaction for distance precision with workability. A HydroPearl Chrome 2.0 finish repels water to greatly improve consistency from the rough and wet conditions. “ I will agree that they have done a good job in the design. Ball flight consistency and distance remained the same for me across the several courses I played during the testing. There was no digging on shots unless I caused it with a steep approach. Since I played a few times with a few days of extended rain I was able to test the ability of these to repel the water. I didn’t see any unexpected flyers and I had not issues hitting shots out of thick rough. The ability to play from thick rough was a pleasant surprise for me because with some previous sets the face getting shut down or digging was pretty noticeable. I like the finish of these irons due to lack of glare during sunny days.
There were no negatives that stood out to me during the testing on the range and during on course use. Everything I was hoping for and expecting from Ping in this release held true.
Play it or Trade it? (19 out of 20 points)
I am extremely happy with the clubs I had in my bag prior to the testing of the i210s and it was going to take a lot to replace them. Ping delivered an iron that came extremely close to unseating my gamers but in the end the forged head and feel of my gamers won out. Both sets provide consistency in play on the course and the ability to work the ball as needed. With that said there is no doubt that these are great clubs and I could easily play them anytime with no worries about losing any performance on the course.
I was talking with a few buddies of mine on the range over the last two weeks about these clubs and how good they perform for me. During that time we talked about what golfer these were made for. My response was someone that consistent contact on the face and tends to find the center of the face. A golfer who has a tendency to miss left or right of the sweet spot will find about 1 club in distance loss and may not enjoying giving that up into greens on a regular basis. I don’t want to define it by handicap because I believe many different factors go into why someone has the handicap they do, but for the most part someone who is around a 12 or lower would benefit the most from these compared to a higher capper.
ConclusionTo make a long story short, for me these are the best irons in the “I” line that Ping has put out since the i20s which happened to stay in my bag for their entire release cycle. During this review period these irons have performed in a manner I would have expected from the info Ping put out and from what I saw in my first demo session with them. They will give consistent distances on the well struck shots and the distance loss on mishits is right where I would expect them to be for this type of iron. If someone is looking for a smaller profile iron with some forgiveness and the ability to change flight and trajectory then these should be on the short list. If someone is looking for less distance loss on mishits they may want to look in a different direction. Ping nailed this release in looks, feel, sound and performance.
Final Score: 95.5/100- Golfspy_CG2, MattF, GolfSpy_APH and 1 other
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Growing up I played pretty much every sport either competitively or recreationally with friends, however golf wasn’t one of them. Other than a family friend in Milwaukee and one of my friends in high school I didn’t know anyone who played. As a kid I knew who Arnie, Jack, Trevino, Player and Hogan were. Also around 12 or 13 while the family was hanging out at my grandmothers my dad dropped a nugget on me that her cousin was Chi Chi Rodriguez and my grandmother was in the phone with him. I regret not knowing more about who he was back then. I knew about the majors and that was about it. It wasn’t until my last year in the Navy (1996) that I finally caved to the peer pressure of coworkers and took up the game with the sole intention of playing a 9 hole scramble at night in a monthly work tournament with o r if my close shipmates and two others from our division. It took one range session to get caught by the golf bug and after the first time on the course I was hooked.
I’ve been playing on and off since then with two breaks, the first after 9/11 and the second in 2006 when my wife and I started dating and then planning the wedding. I picked the game back up in 2010 and started taking it serious in 2013 after I gave up playing baseball. I’ve worked hard since then with lessons, practice, reading and playing to get my handicap to a fluctuating 8-9. My biggest issue is tempo and an aggressive transition. I’ve been working to smooth those out. To me my strength is my iron play as it’s usually the most consistent part of my game followed by distance...my driver carry is 260ish and I’ve seen balls roll out into the low 290s. I like to play different shots with my scoring irons and periodically my mid-long depending on distance and pin location. My stock 150 shot is usually a smooth 8i chokes down about 1/4”. My short game from about 40-80 yards is my weak point at the moment and with the swing work I’ve been putting it has slipped down the list of practice focus. Playing golf in the DC area it gets hard to maintain the swing come November while waiting for the spring to get here. But hitting balls and getting in the course are what I love about this game and will swing away if it’s 40* or higher and no wind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CIutUhAI0A
Quick snippet of my WITB prior to the testing selection:Driver: Ping G400 HZRDUS Yellow 6.03/4wood: Titleist 917 F2 16.5* UST Mamiya Helium HE5F4Hybrid: Ping G400 19* Ping Tour 85g SIrons: PXG Gen2 0311P (4i), 0311T (5-P) PX 6.0Wedges: Vokey SM7 50/54/56 Dynamic Gold Wedge FlexPutter: Scotty Cameron Deep Milled Super RatBall: Titleist Prov1 is my preferred but play the 1x as well.That’s enough rambling about myself, time for what everyone wants to see and hear about.The Ping i210s that I choose are 4-GW with PX 6.0. Shaft choice was to give me a shaft to help with peak height. I hit a high ball and in my PXG fitting peak height was around 115’. I normally don’t play a set GW because I like the versatility of the non set wedges, but knowing there are those who like the set wedges and the flow from PW into the set GW as well as the forgiveness in most cases I choose to include that in my order and provide feedback to the masses.
These irons peaked my interest because I loved the i20s and since then I haven’t been a fan of anything in the I family of irons from Ping. Taking these out of the box the looks to me stand out. Clean and sharp lines-Ping is touting a buttery feel with a larger in volume elastomer insert that is 50% softer that creates 25% more face contact and ensuring that pure feel.-They have refined the the look with a more compact shape and minimal offset.-Both leading edge and sole have been enhanced to improve turf interaction for precise distance and ability to work the ball, while the HydroPearl Chrome 2.0 finished helps repel water to help improve consistency-Copying the Glide 2.0 specs with sharper edge radius and the spaces between tighter between grooves both pw and uw(aka gw) will provide greater precision and control and prevent those dreaded fliersNow that we got all of that out of the way and the initial range session with these have me excited for the getting them on the course it’s time to get ready, aim and fire away with those questions
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Expensive varies by each person. The clubs on the American market are cheap when compared to the Asian market.
to some pxg maybe expensive and to others not so much because they want them and price doesn’t matter. Scotty Cameron tour putter may be expensive to some when they feel for a lot less they can get an otr putter.
technology, materials, labor, r&d, marketing all play a factor into the cost.
As for getting what you want you could find some one who does one offs and pay the price for the custom work. Whether we like how oems do thinks their goal is to make money and the easiest way is to build and market to the majority of golfers. They find a head size, shape, construction that works for most and pair it with a shaft that will fit most golfers. They offer customization to a point to fit those who want/need to fine tune the stock setup
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I used rst for about 6 months. The concepts are similar to what other instructors I have been to teach. I think the videos available via the paid membership add some extra value over the free ones or partial clips from the YouTube page. I stopped my membership because it wasn't useful to me and I pretty much had the drills written down as reminders when on the range
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Are the I210's not working out well?
I didn't take them with me as the arrived the day before the trip. With the bad swings I made there isn't a club that would have helped save the bad shots. Most of my issues were with driver and hybrid though and only a handful of bad shots with irons. I was fighting my typical get the club to far inside and then steep in transition and fighting to save it
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Titleist TS2 & TS3 Driver Thread
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I’m guessing by “too square” is more relative to the leading edge comment you made? To me a club is either square, open or closed and the “too” would be more applicable to how much open or closed the club looks for the person and for square its either square or not.
I’ve only hit both heads a couple times and the ts3 leading edge didn’t stand out to me. I prefer that shape. The ts2 looked kinda triangular to me.