GT1885 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Driver swing speed is in mid 90's. I'm still a moderately strong swinger for being in my early 60's. Two years ago I went from a 910 D2 to the Callaway line. I bought an XR 16 that I still have and which I think I'll be comparing drivers to. I flirted with a regular Epic this time last year. Thinking I wanted to try a 917 D2, I bought a head and put my favorite shafts in two Titlesit adaptors. Here's the scoop... I'm not all that sold on the 917. I started on the A1 setting and it took everything I had to control a significant fade. I've set it on A3 and it's somewhat better but it's still fades. The last time I had a driver fade like this was a Aeroburner TP. I don't think I'm going to keep this. The Cally Epic was OK but sold it after a month. I think what I feel in the Epic and the 917 is improved face technology that isn't perhaps as forgiving as the XR16. I don't think either of the Epic or 917 is that much longer but they both definitely "feel different". Because the 917 is still fresh on my mind, I can really tell the differences between the XR16 and the 917. Maybe I just prefer a forgiving and higher spin head like the XR16, if that's what I'm feeling. Now, the crux of my thread...is there a head out there that may have the feel (forgiveness and spin?) of the XR16 that is only 2-3 years old and yet be an upgrade to the XR and 910 (the two drivers that I've played the most in the past 7-8 years)? Changes by the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I'd look at either the 2017 M2 or the PING G/G400 series. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeopapazulu Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I'd look at either the 2017 M2 or the PING G/G400 series. This. I suggest reading through the G400 reviews in these forums. I haven't been on here forever, but the rate at which people adopted this line of clubs was pretty impressive and must be pretty high on the list. Now that the 410's are out, you can probably find a great deal on one of these. Sent from my SM-A600A using MyGolfSpy mobile app G400 LST 8.5 Ping Tour 65 Stiff Adams XTD Ti 18 deg 3Hy Ben Hogan PTx 22-46 Ben Hogan TK15 50, 54, 58 deg wedges Futura 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Before you talk yourself out of your driver, there are still plenty of professional long drivers who swear by that XR16. If you’re looking for forgiveness try a G400 like the other guys said. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy PING G400 LST Mitsubishi Tensei White 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 If you are looking to experiment a little, the Wishon 919THI is by far the most forgiving driver I have ever hit. There is a small but faithful following that swears by this head, and you can likely find a used model online for cheap. Don't let the small name of Wishon clubs fool you. My fitter gave me a 919THI to try and I was skeptical. Ok buddy, I will give it a shot. Well, last year it slowly became my go to club. So reliable and solid all over the face. FWIW Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Best driver in the last 3-4 years is the 2016 m2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Best driver in the last 3-4 years is the 2016 m2 Agreed. You're not going to find a better bang for your buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgolfer2017 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I think a lot of it depends on whether or not it fits your swing well. XR was a fantastic driver. I had that and the XR16 Pro. Both great drivers and not that far off from my current G400.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Bag: 4.5LS Driver: Stealth 9* w/ Aldila Red 60 Fairway: SIM 15* w/ Diamana 70 Fairway: GBB Heavenwood 19* w/ Fujikura Pro 72 Irons: p790 4-PW w/ C-Taper Lite 110s Wedge: MG3 50 & 54 Wedge: Hi-Toe 60* Putter: Spider X Ball: TP5 PIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, jlukes said: Agreed. You're not going to find a better bang for your buck. Nope and I catch myself pondering one pretty much weekly. Love my g400 but the 2016 m1/2 were so good not much today can beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT1885 Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 20 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Best driver in the last 3-4 years is the 2016 m2 Is this the original M2? Or is this the same as the 2017 model? I'm under the impression that the 2017 M2 was the second release of an M2. Changes by the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, GT1885 said: Is this the original M2? Or is this the same as the 2017 model? I'm under the impression that the 2017 M2 was the second release of an M2. 2017 was the second release of the M2. The 2016 has a sort of cult following This is the 2016: https://www.2ndswing.com/taylormade/golf-drivers/2016-m2/#used And this is the 2017: https://www.2ndswing.com/taylormade/golf-drivers/m2/?facet=ManufacturerID:454#used Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 hours ago, GT1885 said: Is this the original M2? Or is this the same as the 2017 model? I'm under the impression that the 2017 M2 was the second release of an M2. Yeah 2017 was second release with some minor tweaks. Both are good really conmes down to price imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I can't add much more to what is already been said here. My vote would be 2016 m2 or g400. Both can be had for very reasonable and won't be giving up much if anything to today's stuff. Sent from my Moto Z3 Play using MyGolfSpy mobile app What is in my Ghost MGS anyday Maverick or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Callaway Smoke AI TD Max 8.5* with an Aretera Alpha One Blue 55/4 shaft @ 44.75” or GD VF 5s @45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" TSR2 7 wood shaft TBD Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: P790 Aged Copper 4-PW with Steelfiber I95 R Wedges: T22 copper 50* and 54* with Steelfiber 95 S Putter: 2024 Phantom 5.5 @ 34” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meanttodothat Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 How do the M2's compensate for a slice? Im selling my Great Big Bertha which is very good for compensating for a slice and curious about this M2. Like the OP ill be buying a few year old tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_Mac Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Different strokes for different golfers... as I thought the Epic was considerably more forgiving than the XR16. That said, I found the Rogue SZ to be more forgiving than either and the G400 Max more forgiving still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Here’s the issue - we all have different swings so any advice we give you will be irrelevant unless we know more about your swing.Are you trying to find the best driver for you period or is cost a factor? If it’s the best driver I would strongly suggest you try Tru-fit. It will do a much better job of recommending a club for you than we will telling you about our favorites.Good luck!Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT1885 Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 12 hours ago, revkev said: Here’s the issue - we all have different swings so any advice we give you will be irrelevant unless we know more about your swing. Are you trying to find the best driver for you period or is cost a factor? If it’s the best driver I would strongly suggest you try Tru-fit. It will do a much better job of recommending a club for you than we will telling you about our favorites. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cost is a factor but only in that I believe there isn't that much difference in the evolving technology that I can benefit by. I've hit enough drivers over the years that I've come to the believe that unless I can hit the true sweet spot more often than not, then these "higher tech" drivers won't benefit me. I first came to this conclusion with the first SLDR and the Fly Z with the weight up front. AT this point in my golfing life. I'm only looking for forgiveness which I guess comes with higher spin. I'll look in to True fit. Thanks for the suggestion. Changes by the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, GT1885 said: Cost is a factor but only in that I believe there isn't that much difference in the evolving technology that I can benefit by. I've hit enough drivers over the years that I've come to the believe that unless I can hit the true sweet spot more often than not, then these "higher tech" drivers won't benefit me. I first came to this conclusion with the first SLDR and the Fly Z with the weight up front. AT this point in my golfing life. I'm only looking for forgiveness which I guess comes with higher spin. I'll look in to True fit. Thanks for the suggestion. Anything properly fit in the last 2-3 years will perform about the same. Imo forgiveness is a very vague term in golf and can mean something different to each person. Some will say more ball speed on mishits so that they don’t lose a lot of distance even though for some that will mean their miss becomes a bigger miss. Others will want better dispersion. Others looking for both. Others looking to get a higher ball flight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Cost is a factor but only in that I believe there isn't that much difference in the evolving technology that I can benefit by. I've hit enough drivers over the years that I've come to the believe that unless I can hit the true sweet spot more often than not, then these "higher tech" drivers won't benefit me. I first came to this conclusion with the first SLDR and the Fly Z with the weight up front. AT this point in my golfing life. I'm only looking for forgiveness which I guess comes with higher spin. I'll look in to True fit. Thanks for the suggestion.I will be curious to see how that works. If it means anything you and I are in a similar boat - I’m in my early 60’s - 94 mph average driver SS and the Ping G400 LST works great for me. It was last year’s Most wanted driver - I often look back a season or 2 like you are. Since Ping has come out with the 410 line it’s had a price drop.Please let us know where you end up and how it works out. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Very hard to beat the g400 pings, rogues, M2’s, F8’s etc. unless you want to dump $500+ for that additional 1.7 yards that the new tech brings... although it might actually be closer to 5? If you hit the sweet spot every time anyways TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 G400 and F8 should fit the bill nicely. Both are extremely forgiving. In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h D200 6i-GW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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