MadMex Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 While cleaning my computer files, I came across some notes from a post I made at another site. I had read an old article in GOLF magazine were they had interviewed Scotty Cameron, he talked about many things, but one part caught my attention, FEEL. He stated that sound has MORE to do with how we interpret "feel" in a putter, that if were to putt with several different putters, then chose a favorite one, then putted again with the same putters with it while wearing ear protection, we would not be able to tell the difference. Not being a Scotty Cameron fan, on a cold rainy California I decided to challenge this preposterous theory !!! Putters Used: Byron Morgan Stainless Steel, Carbon and Copper Plated Carbon DH89's no milling (PING Scottsdale ), Byron Morgan Experimental GSS (Wilson TPA XVII) deep milled, Scotty Cameron TEI3 and Scotty Cameron Center shafted Beached prototype, all with iomic grips, why these? It's all I had. Balls Used: Titleist Prov-1, Pinnacle Gold, Callaway Truvis and NIKE Platinum, why these balls? Simple, only new balls I had. Testing no ear protection: I rolled each ball 3 times with each putter (again, it was raining and I was bored) after that I picked the 3 putters which felt the best, rolled them again and the Byron Experimental came easily on top. Could deep milling and GSS be the best feeling out there? Testing with ear plugs and over ear protectors: I repeated the test , I was puzzled, so I repeated the ear protection test for a second time. I ate a HUGE serving of crow, Scotty Cameron was right, NO DIFFERENCE in feel. This is by no way a true scientific test since the same model in different configurations was not used, plus I suffer Tinnitus brought on by yeas of working on fighter jet aircraft ins USAF. fixyurdivot, paulpattaya, Shapotomous and 1 other 4 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F-8 set at 10.5, Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 " 3 & 5 WOOD: Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) IRONS 5-SW: PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft Alta CB (R) + 1/2" HYBRID 3-4: PING G-410, 1 upright, Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2" PUTTER: Byron Experimental GSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Feel and sound get applied to all clubs from golfers. It’s why the soft golf ball market grew. contact point on a club will change he sound as well. Hit some drivers low on the face and it could sound like an aluminum bat and will sound a lot better when struck in the center or just a bit above center and towards the toe. Feel thru the hands and arms will feel different on clubs with some sort of vibration usually felt. Flush and iron and you will feel almost nothing in the hands arms compared to a toe or heel shot. And anyone standing around can hear when an iron is flushed. The MGS talks about feel in some old articles and iirc it’s even discussed in the ball study Shapotomous, cnosil and fixyurdivot 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Have you ever tried hitting full shot wearing ear protection? It was a very weird 'feeling' and had a real effect on my ballstriking. Maybe I'd adapt if that was my hearing condition all the time but for the short experiment I struggled. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Tutelman Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I'm just agreeing with everybody else here. There is a wealth of data from manufacturers of clubs and balls supporting the notion that more than half of what we perceive as the feel of impact is really the sound of impact. The companies knew this from actual research, good experiments that verified this every time, starting before the 1990s (which was when I became aware of it. Here's a little supporting (but unscientific) anecdote. The best golfer in my group needs a hearing aid. We were playing a few years ago, and he was playing his usual solid game until late in the front nine. Then his game completely fell apart, and stayed bad until the end. I asked him afterwards what had happened. Seems the batteries were running low in his hearing aid. It was behaving disturbingly, so he turned it off. Then, "All of a sudden, I had no feel at all. I couldn't play because I was getting no feel feedback." fixyurdivot and Shapotomous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Yep. I tried hitting at a driving range wearing ear plugs because it was noisy and I have a noise hearing problem. It is hard to do. The inner ear also perceives movement and air pressure. You can train yourself to do it but it takes conscious effort and practice. Shapotomous and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Drv: PXG 0211, Evnflo Riptide CB Senior, Callaway 454 TI (2004) 10 and an 11, regular flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr Tensei Blue CK 55 gram senior. TM Burner Superfast 3.0 M flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1 on Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC 3 18 degree, on Mamiya Recoil reg flex. 4 iron: forged Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree hollow body. 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil reg flex. Gap: 52/9 GFF Mizuno S5, Lob: 60/6 GFF Mizuno T7. Sand: Ancien Regime 56/12 Hogan Sure Out, Apex shaft. Heavy sole. Chipper: Ancien Regime Don Martin "Up n In" bronze or copper. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, 2 piece, multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyD Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 this is awesome. I may have to try putting with my 3 putters. The last/current one I purchased was solely due to the fact I won money in a tournament and only wanted a new putter and it fit the budget. It may explain a little why I kind of enjoy putting with my Hippo putter at times, even if it's not the sexy one. Quote When my wife asked if I wanted to leave Maine and move to where she grew up, I couldn't say no to Pinehurst, NC. I honestly don't spend much money on golf equipment, but I'm constantly reading reviews in case I ever get ready to buy I swing left handed and have been the State of Maine Left Hander's champion since 1997, the last year they held the tournament. I'm currently a 7.1 handicap. Trying to get lower, but my gut gets in the way. WITB Driver: Epic speed 9 degree Irons: 990's S300 Stiff shafts bought when I was in college. (Received a personal use discount, otherwise would've stuck with my Hogan Edge's) 3 Wood: Epic speed 15 degree or PT15 52/56/60 Z Spin wedges (heck of a deal $100 for all 3 at Dick's in 2013) Putter: OG Rossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/27/2021 at 11:58 AM, Dave Tutelman said: I'm just agreeing with everybody else here. There is a wealth of data from manufacturers of clubs and balls supporting the notion that more than half of what we perceive as the feel of impact is really the sound of impact. The companies knew this from actual research, good experiments that verified this every time, starting before the 1990s (which was when I became aware of it. Here's a little supporting (but unscientific) anecdote. The best golfer in my group needs a hearing aid. We were playing a few years ago, and he was playing his usual solid game until late in the front nine. Then his game completely fell apart, and stayed bad until the end. I asked him afterwards what had happened. Seems the batteries were running low in his hearing aid. It was behaving disturbingly, so he turned it off. Then, "All of a sudden, I had no feel at all. I couldn't play because I was getting no feel feedback." Interesting. I need to try the earplugs in at the range test. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotDoctor Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Love the test TJ. Miss that other site! Quote Driver: TaylorMade 300 Mini 11.5° (10.2°), Fujikura Ventus Blue 5S Velocore 3W: TaylorMade M4 15°, Graphite Design Tour AD DI 7S Hybrid: TaylorMade Sim2 2 Iron Hybrid 17°, Mitsubishi Tensai AV Raw Blue 80 stiff Irons: Mizuno 223 4-PW, Nippon Modus3 Tour 120 stiff GW / LW: Scratch Golf 1018 forged 50°/ 58° DS, Nippon Modus3 Tour 120 stiff SW: Callaway MD5 Jaws 54°, TT DG Tour Issue S200 115g wedge shaft Putter: Byron Morgan DH89 GSS custom, Salty MidPlus cork grip Grips: BestGrips Augusta Microperf leather slip on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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