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I have never been fit for irons/wedges, but I plan to make that happen within a year or so. As I do my research and budget this out, it seems like the cost of a fitting itself is almost negligible compared to the cost of the clubs, but the shaft upgrades / shaft selections not offered by the club manufacturer are the biggest cost variable.

Is that cost worth it?

Background for my game specifically. In college and right after college when I played golf 2-3 times per week my handicap was somewhere between 6-9. 10 years and 2 kids later, I have played a lot less but started to get back into the swing of things. Current handicap is 12-14. I have always played "standard" clubs without any modifications. I'm not as fast as I was in college, but I still have high swing speed swinging driver around 100 mph. My goal with the club fitting and my golf future in general is to get back to single digit handicap and have a set of clubs that fits my game.

Thoughts? Was your shaft update worth it? Noticeable difference in the upgrade, if so in what way? Conversely, any fittings without shaft upgrades that still lead to great improvement? I'm not too familiar on how custom length/loft/lie will impact my game vs. "standard" (for reference, I'm 6'03"). 

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Worth it if it fits you 

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3-Wood: :callaway-small:Rogue ST LS, 15° loft, MCA TENSEI AV Blue 65g, Reg flex (42.25", tipped 0.5")
3-Hybrid: :srixon-small: Z H85, 19° loft, :projectx: HZRDUS Black 85g, 5.5 flex
Irons: :titleist-small: T350 5i & T200 6i-GW, 23°-48° lofts, Nippon Modus3 120g, Stiff flex (+0.5”, 1° upright)
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I have been asking myself this alot recently too with my drivers and woods.

They are considerably past their DUE Date in terms of tech. (Titleist 910 set) but they work well for me as far as I can tell. 

I want to get a shaft fitting only (is that a thing)? But how much better will it improve my distance,  dispersion,  overall game?

Is it the same cost?

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to know what profile shaft I should be using, but as is mentioned repeatedly,  what one manufacturer offers in a profile, can be quite different from  other manufacturers.

I'm not a tech/data driven person,  so I would have to rely on the experts knowledge.

Is there some crossover index between each manufacturer to reference?

Then comes costs. Pay for the fitting,  pay for shafts, pay for the tip swaps, etc

 

Do I believe that you can take an older set of woods/irons and improve the club performance by just using a more suitable shaft? I hope so! 

But how much weight offset is needed to maximize those gains? 

It's a rabbit hole for me, and not one I feel im ready to dive into head first yet.  But I will keep reading here and learning!

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Driver  -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom

Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time.

 

 

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5 hours ago, SamShutes said:

Thoughts? Was your shaft update worth it? Noticeable difference in the upgrade, if so in what way? Conversely, any fittings without shaft upgrades that still lead to great improvement? I'm not too familiar on how custom length/loft/lie will impact my game vs. "standard" (for reference, I'm 6'03"). 

 

First:  I recommend getting fit to determine what shafts and heads work best for your.  Fitting can be many thing ranging from personally understanding the data and fitting yourself to going to a store like Club Champion that will most likely fit you into upgraded non stock shafts.    

Getting the right club setup; even if it is stock offerings, will potentially help you play better golf but it will not replace the improvement that can be obtained via lessons and practice.  The correct clubs head, shaft, lofts, lies, etc will help you hit straighter more consistent shots.   For example if you have the wrong lie angle you may hit lots of balls left or right and by adjusting the lie you can make the ball go straighter.   Loft adjustments help ensure that there is proper gapping between your clubs.  Shafts and heads help you optimize delivery to control things like launch and spin.  Basically the correct configuration helps you hit the ball better.    Clubs are not magic bullets and great improvement probably won't happen unless your current clubs are a terrible fit for your swing. 

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36 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 

First:  I recommend getting fit to determine what shafts and heads work best for your.  Fitting can be many thing ranging from personally understanding the data and fitting yourself to going to a store like Club Champion that will most likely fit you into upgraded non stock shafts.    

Getting the right club setup; even if it is stock offerings, will potentially help you play better golf but it will not replace the improvement that can be obtained via lessons and practice.  The correct clubs head, shaft, lofts, lies, etc will help you hit straighter more consistent shots.   For example if you have the wrong lie angle you may hit lots of balls left or right and by adjusting the lie you can make the ball go straighter.   Loft adjustments help ensure that there is proper gapping between your clubs.  Shafts and heads help you optimize delivery to control things like launch and spin.  Basically the correct configuration helps you hit the ball better.    Clubs are not magic bullets and great improvement probably won't happen unless your current clubs are a terrible fit for your swing. 

So true. Just getting fit and seeing what is possible with stock shafts is a good starting point. 

Great detailed answers here @cnosil!

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I found that getting fit for iron shafts gave me a surprisingly better feeling with my irons, and while the numbers didn't change all that much I just found a feel I preferred, When it comes to driver, Getting fit I found improved both the numbers and the feel. 

But at the end of the day it is all about what worth you place on it and how much value you place on it, worst case scenario, you get fit and find something which you love, and you can buy it secondhand or something similar for cheaper!

 

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7W: Ping g20/ UST mamiya Proforce

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'My goal with the club fitting and my golf future in general is to get back to single digit handicap and have a set of clubs that fits my game'.

There's your answer right there. 'Upgrade' refers to any improvement over the existing by definition, so to fall into the category of 'upgrade' it must be better than what you already have. That could mean the shaft or shafts, but it could also mean the loft, lie, length, weight etc. It could aslo mean yourself - but the ethic to do something about it is the main issue which you already have by the sound of it. That counts for a lot, rather than those who want to throw money at equipment and see an immediate improvement - therein lies the percieved issue of 'worth'. Stick to your plan  and it's worth it for sure.

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  • 2 weeks later...

For me, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of my swing and which shaft profiles could help reduce those weaknesses was huge. I was swinging heavy, stock iron shafts. Simply dropping 30g in what weight and going to graphite made a huge difference. I also wasn’t getting as much height at apex as I should be, so a shaft with a lower kick point helped that. If you work with the fitter to understand specifically why they chose the shaft for you, you can then use those attributes to find something similar (if the fitted shaft is too much $$$). Getting fitted will definitely change your game, how much is more up to you. 

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I am assuming you mean paying an adder for a shaft rather than between stock selections.  It depends on what is important to you and if you can spend the $$ on the upgrade.  If you had a dispersion difference like the one in the pic below would you pay extra and how much?

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The good news is you may not need to pay extra.  Actually the tighter dispersion circle above was a stock shaft offering while the much larger circle was a price adder shaft!  It pays to spend a few $ to find out what works before doing a trial and error test via buying clubs.

Have fun at the fitting and do the trial & error of the configurations there!

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Hard to define value to say if it is worth it.... but I consider the shaft a critical component.   Nevertheless, an upgraded shaft costs $$$ and everyone has a budget, limit, and has to do a cost/benefit analysis.   

I have played some strong "black shafts" HZRDUS, Tensei 1K, etc, but I love my Ventus TR Black.  While some say it is boardy, I think the feel is great, I have confidence in it, and it outperforms the others---by how much I will have a hard time quantifying, but my personal analysis in this case says it is worth it, but different costs and different marginal improvements are personal matters.

I recently ordered a Ventus TR Red for my 3 wood---not that I thought the PING Chrome was inferior, but I saw some marginal improvement out of the box and I believe that the value is there despite the cost of the upgrade.

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  • Fairway - image.png.d0176d18d9ceb1317233e258be95d3b7.png- G430Max 15*-Flat, 3 Wood Tour 2.0 Chrome stiff
  • Fairway - image.png.15c97d4865288e26d52bce8c57064167.png- G430MAX 20* (-1, flat) 7 Wood Tour 2.0 Chrome stiff
  • Hybrid - image.png.9e093926e300ff1030b63d07f1aa41b7.png- G430MAX 3 Hybrid (-1, Flat) Alta CB Stiff (looking for a new shaft)
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