Spec Check, Re-Check, Wreck Check, Aw Heck

[STUDque]

I went in to DSG today to check my specs on my irons and received some confusing information. When I purchased my irons, I had them extended .5" and bent upright 2* based on a static fitting combined with some LM data using a lie board.

 

I had a suspicion that some of my clubs had bent a little more upright over the years. The check indicated that my P, 9, and 7 were actually slightly flatter than 2* upright and the rest were spot on.

 

Just for good measure, I hit them (and a few more) off a lie board to see what's I saw. Most of the strikes were center of the club face with heavy toe impact (including clubs that were where they're supposed to be). I can't imagine bending them even more upright to flatten that out so it must be a swing issue then right?

 

The LM info leaves me conflicted. I almost always hit a fade but it showed all of my shots coming out as a draw to the left of the target. I've fought a pull with my PW and 9 so this wasn't too surprising but my longer and longer clubs (including a demo Rogue) were all headed left.

 

So now I'm curious if I should leave it as is or try to have the lies bent? And if so, which way? If so again, can it be done? The last thing I want to do is have DSG bust my clubhead off by bending the lie back and forth.

 

Irons:

2011 TM Tour Preferred MC (Forged)

Stock Specs:

 

 

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[JAGolfore]

I found this to help explain lie angle.

 

 

 

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[STUDque]

I found this to help explain lie angle.

 

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But I've got criss cross results like this. Impact tape indicates a center strike.

 

So that means closed face right? Which means I should do what with the lie?

 

 

 

 

 

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[JAGolfore]

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But I've got criss cross results like this. Impact tape indicates a center strike.

 

So that means closed face right? Which means I should do what with the lie?

 

 

 

 

 

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Are they starting left or hooking to end up left of target?

 

 

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[STUDque]

Are they starting left or hooking to end up left of target?

 

 

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Straight flight starting left of target according to the LM. I've done that a few times on the course as well resulting in a bomb left and over the green.

 

 

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[JAGolfore]

Straight flight starting left of target according to the LM. I've done that a few times on the course as well resulting in a bomb left and over the green.

 

 

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I would say it's your swing but it would be best to see you Pro. With out seeing the swing I can't say got sure.

 

 

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[STUDque]

I would say it's your swing but it would be best to see you Pro. With out seeing the swing I can't say got sure.

 

 

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Yeah I figured that would be the most sure option. The only pro I'd be willing to see is on his Florida/California circuit right now so I'll have to wait until spring/summer to see him again.

 

In case you're curious, here's a video I did from last winter. I'm swinging a little different now because I've been working on a few things based on the feedback from that post so I'll try to film something soon.

 

 

https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/19335-post-your-swing/page-8?do=findComment&comment=315906

 

 

 

 

 

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[Shankster]

Oh man... it's the offset!

 

I wouldn't make any decisions based on 10' Of ball flight. If you still hit them left on real grass maybe.

 

I know LM's are the future of golf, but there is truth in actual ball flight, for me it's hard to trust a blue/red/green line on a screen.

 

And.... here we go.

[JAGolfore]

I would think on a LM it would be easy to not have it set up square (not sure if it matters) and it shows a push or pull when really it all in the set up.

 

Not sure if that even matters for LM's

 

 

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[gaussman1]

Lie boards can do just that-lie. Be very wary of basing decisions based on the tape. If you're kind of an inside-outter you can very easily get toe side tape marks with upright lie angles. If you're a bit of an early extender even more so.

If you're striking it in the center of the face I wouldn't worry much about the tape and concentrate on swing instead. I'm guessing if you make swings that are intentionally trying to exit left you will find that the tape marks move away from the toe.

 

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[PMookie]

Oh man... it's the offset!

 

I wouldn't make any decisions based on 10' Of ball flight. If you still hit them left on real grass maybe.

 

I know LM's are the future of golf, but there is truth in actual ball flight, for me it's hard to trust a blue/red/green line on a screen.

 

And.... here we go.

Same for me. My first thought was, “Nooooo! Don't do anything because the monitor shows it indoors. Wait until you're outside!”

 

Don't trust lie boards.....................

 

 

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[STUDque]

Same for me. My first thought was, “Nooooo! Don't do anything because the monitor shows it indoors. Wait until you're outside!”

 

Don't trust lie boards.....................

 

 

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OK so the only reason I even did this check is because I'm pulling shots left with these clubs outdoors. That's what led me to believe they were too far upright. I've seen a few members here progressively bend their lies depending on ball flight throughout the set and I'm thinking that may be for me as well.

 

If I'm still pulling shots left when I get outside, then what?

 

 

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[Shankster]

Is it a straight pull? Your path is out to in. The “best bet” is to go spend $100+ that your probably don't want to on a pro... (me neither, and probably won't ever) and you'll get a bunch of those basic answers.

 

Seriously try a super slow mo swing “your perfect” swing, record it with that iPhone, you'll see every move you make.

 

Take a full swing or two at first, then go 25%, 50% until you see what you are looking for.

 

Again, not a pro, fitter of any sort. Just a smart alec who tries to do things the Bubba way.

[STUDque]

Found this video and a few others that (I think) explain my situation. I'm going to hit some balls today with the sharpie line and see what I get. My hunch (based on ball flight) is still that my irons are too far upright so we'll see what the line says.

 

 

 

Lie Boards Lie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSuuSS_Fmm8

 

 

And found this template on Subaru to accompany the test:

 

 

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[hckymeyer]

First, I agree with all the other advice so far.  Go see a pro, go see a fitter, wait to see ball flight outside etc...

 

So this a broad generalization, individual results may vary type of thing.  If you are consistently pulling shots left with a straight ball flight I'd try bending them flatter.  I had a similar issue with wedges a couple fittings ago.  I would always pull them left of target.  I know it's a swing issue, but the fitter bent them a degree or two flat and my shots straightened out and I gained distance.

[Rtracymog]

The lie board is easy to cheat. Put a sticker on the face of the iron and draw a vertical line on the ball. Let the line on the sticker give you a better read of upright/flat.

 

 

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[Peaksy68]

I never swing 'normally ' using a lie board, somehow it just gets in my head. If my daughter was allowed to she'd carry one around to hit off, she flushes it of a lie board.

Definitely agree that checking ball flight of grass to a real target is worth doing before any drastic steps. Did you go through your normal pre shot routine when you were using the LM?

 

 

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[STUDque]

Got a chance to do the line test for lie angle the other day. I wanted to use Gotta Golf to show the ball flight as well but my phone died. You'll just have to trust me that most of the balls were pretty straight with a slight draw.

 

I hit 3 balls with each club. If you see less than 3 marks, it means I hit the same spot more than once.

Here's the results:

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PW

 

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9

 

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8

 

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7

 

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6

 

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5

 

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4

 

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Then for good measure I hit my driver and 3-wood as well.

 

 

 

 

Although these seem to be toeriffic shots, most of them felt pure. I'm guessing the draw came from the toe shaded hits. This whole thing is really weird because my ball is flying a different direction than last year. But it's way better and refreshingly surprising so

 

 

My conclusion so far is that the lie angles are probably fine as is. I'll go back out and check them again with ball flight to see if anything turns up. The 5 and 6 actually seem to be suggesting the lie is too flat.

 

 

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