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13 minutes ago, chisag said:

... There are more than a few variables like how close you stand to the ball, how much you bend from the waist and the length of  your putter  that determine how much arc a natural stroke will have for each golfer. As cnosil said everyone has some arc, even SBST putters unless they really manipulate the path with contortions that should only be attempted by member of Cirque du Soleil.  

Yup.  Theres really no such thing as a true SBST because you cant swing around a fixed point without making some serious manipulations.  Unless you are going to be all hunched over, like Michelle Wie did when she was tabletop putting; its almost impossible to not have some degree of arc.

I think thats why I prefer heel shafted putters.  I feel like the toe hang allows the face to open and close throughout the stroke.  I guess that means that I have a gated stroke.

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I was killing time at the PGA Superstore one day and picked up a 8802, I used to put with one forty years ago.  The new one is nice and I sank about five straight 10 footers with it but didn't buy it since I really wasn't in the market at the time and I have a Arnold Palmer "The Original" from about forty years ago that is the Palmer version of the 8802.  I am going to give the Palmer a try but I may pick up a 8802, especially as inexpensive as they are.  

 

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42 minutes ago, aggiesam1983 said:

 I am going to give the Palmer a try but I may pick up a 8802, especially as inexpensive as they are.  

 

Wide variety of price ranges;  you can find some that are pretty expensive.  Cameron Napa quickly comes to mind. 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Wide variety of price ranges;  you can find some that are pretty expensive.  Cameron Napa quickly comes to mind. 

Yeah that isn't going to happen, that is way too much for me to spend on a gamer.  If I were a collector that would be one thing but I am not.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Wide variety of price ranges;  you can find some that are pretty expensive.  Cameron Napa quickly comes to mind. 

 

... When I picked up my Bettinardi BB2 in a trade it was selling for $800. I never understood why a milled piece of metal would cost that much. 

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5 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... When I picked up my Bettinardi BB2 in a trade it was selling for $800. I never understood why a milled piece of metal would cost that much. 

As you know, cost is determined by what they market will demand.  I can say something is worth $800 but if I can't find anyone to pay that much it obviously isn't worth that much.  There are lots of things in this world that I don't understand the sales price.  An example of something we both like;  the Grace 6330.  To me it isn't worth anywhere near what Bobby Grace charges and while I love mine,  I purchased for significantly less.

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... I understand supply and demand, especially for a high end item. I was more referring to putters with intricate slots, cavities, etc compared to a solid milled head like an 8802 that takes minimal work. At least the 6330 has cavities in the sole for the weights and the face has to be milled out for the insert, but yea the price is silly high. 

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On 4/2/2020 at 11:21 AM, chisag said:

... There are more than a few variables like how close you stand to the ball, how much you bend from the waist and the length of  your putter  that determine how much arc a natural stroke will have for each golfer. As cnosil said everyone has some arc, even SBST putters unless they really manipulate the path with contortions that should only be attempted by member of Cirque du Soleil.  

 

On 4/2/2020 at 11:02 AM, cnosil said:


No. Slight arc vs strong arc is more about the curve of the path the putter travels. SBST in theory has no arc, slight would be more of an ellipse, and strong more of a circle.
Gate/rotation is more about how much the Putter opens and closes as it travels along that path.

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Classic design that has completed the job for years and will forever.

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I'm another that keeps going back to this style putter, or the Geo Low Wizard style.  Have several different models, from different manufacturers, and different eras.  

One thing worth noting....  there are some models that have an MOI equivalent or possibly even higher than you might find in an Anser-a-like.  The Snake Eyes Viper Tour blade has an MOI higher than a Ping Anser, for example.  I expect that's largely due to the slightly larger size (it's not that much bigger than my 8813), but more the heavier weight.  I can't remember the exact number, but I do know it was considerably higher.

It won't compete with some of the heavy backweighted mallets out there now, but it will with anything in the heel/toe weighted, Anser-ish world.

I expect the modern 8802 probably has a higher MOI than we suspect, just due to the added weight.  My Yes! Nicky (moderately heavy) is surprisingly forgiving on the brutally bad strokes I occasionally inflict on it.

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Deion Sanders said, "if you look good, you feel good.  If you feel good, you play good."  I know he's not a golfer (to my knowledge), but it makes sense to me.  So many people want to analyze the stroke path/type and match that to a style of putter and neck.  In theory that makes sense.  Maybe even statistically.  However, I tend to putt better with a putter that looks good to me.  I've been through far too many in 20+ years of a love/hate relationship with golf.  I've had Pings, Scottys, Oddysseys, Bettinardis, and some that I'm sure I'm forgetting.  I putt better when I'm confident in what I'm swinging.  Others may feel different.  If it doesn't look good, it's not for you.  Then again, I'm the guy that wouldn't consider the new Callaway woods because of the green accents (my least favorite color if it isn't money).

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On 3/28/2020 at 8:32 PM, braincramp said:

Love it! I'm still going to own a Yonex like Phil played when he first came out.

That is a Yonex ADX---- I had one with the composite graphite shaft------  One of the young assistants at our course loved it and I helped him pass his PAT test. He used it and passed with flying colors. I gave him that putter since I have so many putters. Out of all the putters I own I do not own a real 8802 I own a Cleveland Designed By and a Little David 8802. Most of my putters in that style are Mac Iron Masters. 

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If it works it works!  I think putters are the most personal club in the bag.  If you're hitting it on your line it seems like you might just be giving up a little bit of distance control on mishits.  Have you checked to see how consistent you are striking it?

I'd imagine there's some advantage to this old school style for quick downhill putts as you can purposely hit it off the toe to get less energy transferred to the ball and make a more comfortable stroke.

Also, you're opponents will moral will decrease 37 points every time you sink a putt greater than 5 feet with it.

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5 hours ago, B.Boston said:

If it works it works!  I think putters are the most personal club in the bag.  If you're hitting it on your line it seems like you might just be giving up a little bit of distance control on mishits.  Have you checked to see how consistent you are striking it?

I'd imagine there's some advantage to this old school style for quick downhill putts as you can purposely hit it off the toe to get less energy transferred to the ball and make a more comfortable stroke.

Also, you're opponents will moral will decrease 37 points every time you sink a putt greater than 5 feet with it.

Yep you got it there old buddy toe putting a little slick slider or a big one down hill. I can do it with my Santa Fe too--- Really want to get them howling? Do a little 5 footer or so down hill by belly topping a wedge. Had a guy try to call me on that one in a Mini Tour event one time--- Nothing in the rules of golf says you absolutely have to use a club designated ( by USGA specs on design) a putter on the putting green

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I just picked one up similar. It definitely requires a good stroke. I will use it to practice delivery to make my game better. 

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This 8802 style by Flanagan has been a good stick for me.3EF5AE96-9688-4F56-BFFC-6FBEE943F587.jpg


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RickP, that's a nice Flanigan you got there. I too have a slight obsession with the 8802 cut throats since there's day when there's truly magic in the metal. The heaviest one I have is an Odyssey Black Series 8 @ ~340g, then a second hand Designed By Cleveland model that I got for $20 and lastly, a Walter Hagen Gentle Ben...I don't know what the specs are on the last two but they feel considerably lighter and provide great touch and distance control. There's just something so primal and fundamental about the design that forces you focus that much harder on making a pure, confident stroke. There's no alignment aides other than the top leading edge and no high tech to help out, so if you "do" start rolling them in ...you're the reason, not the putter. As pure as it gets, which does worlds for your confidence. On the days you're off a lot or just a little...you're left bleeding and questioning if you should have brought the easier to use/align/high-moi/high-tech putter you left at home. Still comes down to your stroke and trusting it. Good stuff.

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A little late to the topic, but gotta say there is nothing like the 8802 style putter.  So simple and basic, it is genius.  I have 3.  The Ray Cook Classic Plus II, Wilson Tour Special I, and "The Original" Arnold Palmer. The key for me is to just grip it light, start it smooth, and let it move on its own path.  

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I have always loved this style of putter.  I just put back in my bag an old Scotty Del Mar.  I want to see if I can find that head shape in a Bettinardi if possible that will not cost me an arm and a leg.

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