Wedges vs irons or the difference.

[Christof]

Hello

I have the Wilson D9 irons with the KBS max ultra lite and the Cleveland RTX 5-6 wedges with the Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex. For 1 reason or another I always have a better feeling with the wedges than with the irons, I don't quite know how to put it, feels more like 1 unit with the arms and body, the difference I feel is that the weight with the wedges is more from below or lower. I find that exactly more pleasant, I have a wilson wedges with Dynamic Gold 120 S300 feels lighter the weight is also distributed differently, does feel good anyway is that so does feel good but miss something, then Cleveland takes hold feels exactly right immediately too. Is this the case with everyone that the wedges feel different from irons? Or do I have the wrong irons or is the difference in the shaft?

Greetings
Christof

[Hook DeLoft]

It sounds like you are describing a difference in swing weights. Try adding lead tape to one of the irons to see if that helps. 

[cnosil]

8 hours ago, Christof said:

Hello

I have the Wilson D9 irons with the KBS max ultra lite and the Cleveland RTX 5-6 wedges with the Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue Wedge Flex. For 1 reason or another I always have a better feeling with the wedges than with the irons, I don't quite know how to put it, feels more like 1 unit with the arms and body, the difference I feel is that the weight with the wedges is more from below or lower. I find that exactly more pleasant, I have a wilson wedges with Dynamic Gold 120 S300 feels lighter the weight is also distributed differently, does feel good anyway is that so does feel good but miss something, then Cleveland takes hold feels exactly right immediately too. Is this the case with everyone that the wedges feel different from irons? Or do I have the wrong irons or is the difference in the shaft?

Greetings
Christof

I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120.  That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel.   You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

I have the same feeling throughout the bag. 
 

you have a big difference in weight between the wedge sand irons. Also different shaft design. Not surprised there’s a difference in the feel.

 

[Christof]

On 10/15/2023 at 5:28 PM, Hook DeLoft said:

It sounds like you are describing a difference in swing weights. Try adding lead tape to one of the irons to see if that helps. 

Good day Hook DeLoft

Yes swing weight, yes that could be it, I'm not that into golf technical terms. Of lead tape, I myself have never heard of it. Yes maybe is try once. 
You stick that on the back of the irons?

[Christof]

On 10/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, cnosil said:

I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120.  That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel.   You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons.  

Good day cnosil

Amai that's 40 grams, yes then is looking back at it when I go to do a fitting, good to know. On 28.10.23 I have a fitting testing Taylormade at the club, I can also see what they have to say.
But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? 

Christof

 

[cnosil]

4 minutes ago, Christof said:

But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? 

 

 

No, shaft weight and flex are independent.

[cnosil]

16 minutes ago, Christof said:

Good day Hook DeLoft

Yes swing weight, yes that could be it, I'm not that into golf technical terms. Of lead tape, I myself have never heard of it. Yes maybe is try once. 
You stick that on the back of the irons?

https://www.amazon.com/lead-tape/s?k=lead+tape

stick it on the back of the irons.  Adding 2 grams to the head increases swing weight by 1 point. 

[Christof]

On 10/15/2023 at 11:42 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

I have the same feeling throughout the bag. 
 

you have a big difference in weight between the wedge sand irons. Also different shaft design. Not surprised there’s a difference in the feel.

 

Good day RickyBobby_PR

Ok then I am not alone after all, I do find it annoying, I take the RTX feel hold a club and the swing feels good, at the irons is good but doesn't feel the same as with the irons, going from irons to wedges is always Difficult exactly a different rhythm I have to apply. As Consil says 40gram is too big a difference.

Christof

[Christof]

12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

No, shaft weight and flex are independent.

OK then I know that again, it's not all simple. 
Thanks
Christof

[Christof]

29 minutes ago, cnosil said:

https://www.amazon.com/lead-tape/s?k=lead+tape

stick it on the back of the irons.  Adding 2 grams to the head increases swing weight by 1 point. 

Okay, I just saw, my irons have a swing weight of D1, my wedges 48° D3 and 54°-58°-62° D5, my fairways have D3.  Then I have to tape on my irons already 4 grams of tape for having to tape to D3.
Thanks for the information.

Christof

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Christof said:

Okay, I just saw, my irons have a swing weight of D1, my wedges 48° D3 and 54°-58°-62° D5, my fairways have D3.  Then I have to tape on my irons already 4 grams of tape for having to tape to D3.
Thanks for the information.

Christof

For some swingweight is important but overall weight ks as important if not more. If you get overal weight fright then swing weight will be fine.

my wedges are d5-6 and my irons typically d1-2. But the overall weight in my irons plays similar to the wedges so I get the same feeling 

[Christof]

OK I haven't actually weighed that yet, I can do that is.

 

[Christof]

Hello 

I weighed my club is, though with a kitchen scale. I don't know if the differences in weight are too big for lead tape on or not? I also don't know 50grams is a big difference or not.

Greetings
Christof

[Christof]

On 10/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, cnosil said:

I think the difference is the shaft and club setup. The KBS max ultra lite are probably in the 80 gram rand and teh DG shafts are 120.  That is a huge difference when transitioning between clubs and probably messes up what you feel.   You probably need to look at 120 gram shafts for your irons.  

 

On 10/17/2023 at 9:59 PM, Christof said:

Good day cnosil

Amai that's 40 grams, yes then is looking back at it when I go to do a fitting, good to know. On 28.10.23 I have a fitting testing Taylormade at the club, I can also see what they have to say.
But the difference in weight does that have anything to do with flex stiffness? 

Christof

 

Hello Cnosil and anyone else reading it.

I did a Taylormade fitting today, irons only, Club turned out to be the P790 with an Elevate MPH R-flex 95 Steel Iron Shaft. Felt good though, was pleasant to hit, felt more like 1 hit. I still had a Nippon shaft the N.S.PRO 950GH neo and one of the Dynamic Gold models also tried think a stiff am not sure, with the trackman results and my physical problems the Elevate MPH R-flex 95 came out best, it was between the Nippon and Elevate, the Elavate results better and difference that the tip is slightly heavier and felt better to me. I also tried the Stealth club that was nothing at all.

Christof