Jonesie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 hours ago, Hacker60521 said: @Jonesie I’ve worked with Carmen at TrueSpec. He’s up in Highland Park. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend him. He fitted me last year for a full bag. During the fitting he couldn’t find a driver better than my current one and even asked for a second chance on another day just focused on the driver. He tried to fit me twice for a driver and couldn’t do it. So he didn’t try to sell me anything. That's what I think everyone deserves at the core of it all. Unbiased help from someone who's genuinely curious to help you find your best swing tools. Thanks for the recommendation. Highland Park is close enough for me. HikingMike and Hacker60521 1 1 Quote Titleist Tsi3/Ts2 woods and hybrids Titlesit AP3 irons Clevland CBX wedges Taylormade mallet or Odyssey White Hot center shaft putter. Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicer Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Fitting does help the average golfer, regardless of how well you swing the club. The key is to focus on what feels good for you and what will help you with repeatability. Do not focus on distance alone. If you feel you are pressured into buying high-end shafts or clubs because that is what the fitter is pushing, walk away. Barley Spargewater 1 Quote Titleist TSi2 Driver Titleist TS2 15* Fairway Wood Titleist 915F 16.5* Fairway Wood Taylormade P790 Iron Set 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 54* & 58* Taylormade TP Red Collection Ardmore Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMgolfnut Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, Just_the_Chip said: Similar story. I used to play about 15 years ago, got married and kit wasn't until my daughter started getting interested in golf and my wife wanting to try, that I picked it back up. My father in law gave me his set of irons from 1998. I was playing with those for the past couple of years and this year bit the bullet. I was in the wrong shaft flex, and the new technology and lofts in he club faces are INSANELY different. As a 18 handicapper, I can tell you with confidence, it's a world of difference between turf interaction, ball interaction, forgiveness, distance, spin. I don't think upgrading your irons every couple of years would make a difference for most, but I encourage anyone with a decade+ old set to try a fitting. I think part of my decision process was that I just didn't know what to choose; after that long away from the game I had no idea who had the best tech for me. I remember going into the fitting thinking I kinda wanted to get Tour Edge, which was priced closer to what I was hoping to pay than what I actually bought, and the shop where I got fitted stocked Tour Edge. And we included Tour Edge in the fitting, but the Mizuno and Cobra and so on worked better for me than the TE clubs did. Just_the_Chip, Barley Spargewater and HikingMike 3 Quote Obsessed with chasing the dimpled orb. More about me: WITB type stuff Fit For Golf tester 2024. Final review here: FFG review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiTerp50 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I choose fitters that also coach. The one difference I see is on course fitters will advise me that the new shiny object is doing the same as the old. Leaving the decision to buy to me. Quote Titleist TSR 11 degree, HZRDS Red R 44.75 LH Titleist TSR-1 5/7 Woods LH Titleist TSR-1 23 Hybrid LH Titleist T200 7-48 - T350 6 Tensai AMT Red LH Titleist SM9 50-54-58 TT AMT Red LH Scotty Phantom X 7.5 RH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/26/2024 at 12:01 PM, HikingMike said: I would love a new thread for shafts. Maybe there is one out there. But you could start one with this. As someone who is recently learning about all this stuff and starting to do some fittings, I'm learning the significance of effects the different shafts can have. Shafts are as mysterious as women. Shafts have bend points that can be high or low, or gradual, they can have stiff butt ends or stiff tips, and most of them have secret codes that a CIA agent can't disclose on pain of death. But the Japanese Miyazaki have a 4 number code, for the 4 sections from the grip down to the tip. The higher the number, the stiffer that section is. Ovalling is the deforming process when you swing a round shaft in a high speed swing. It becomes oval as the energy changes its shape from round. There, that's the first chapter in Moby Dick for golfers. We are all chasing the great white tiny but evil whale. HikingMike, sellemental, ILMgolfnut and 1 other 4 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellemental Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: .....the Japanese Miyazaki have a 4 number code, for the 4 sections from the grip down to the tip. The higher the number, the stiffer that section is. I actually just stumbled upon this earlier this week and found it fascinating. So much so I am wishing every shaft had this listed on it. Shafts are so damn mysterious and even when you look up the "chart" on it, it tells you very little. In truth, you never really know until you swing one. Since there is no shaft standardization scale, this might be a step in the right direction to help in that regard. HikingMike 1 Quote ZX7 MKII Driver 9.5 Stiff flex Smoke Black shaft 3HL 17 Rocketballz Matrix Ozik Stiff C300 Hybrids 20. 23 Fujikura Speeder Stiff Stealth 5- PW Ventus Red 6-R Edison 49 and 55 degree wedges RTX 4 64/6 Raw Wedges ER5 CS 35 in putter V3 GPS Shot tracker watch OnCore Elixr Nitron Push Cart and Revolver XP cart bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_the_Chip Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, ILMgolfnut said: I think part of my decision process was that I just didn't know what to choose; after that long away from the game I had no idea who had the best tech for me. I remember going into the fitting thinking I kinda wanted to get Tour Edge, which was priced closer to what I was hoping to pay than what I actually bought, and the shop where I got fitted stocked Tour Edge. And we included Tour Edge in the fitting, but the Mizuno and Cobra and so on worked better for me than the TE clubs did. It does suck when you find clubs that work better but are out of your price range. One of the nicest hitting clubs I've ever felt were Miura's. But that's $300+ a club. If you want tour edge, I would tell them you want tour edge and have them work with you on the shaft to help get the clubs close to your performance. Quote "In fact , we both tend to hold the Midwestern stoic view that genuine problems are solved with action, not pissing and moaning. If you run around sharing your feelings too much, you'll eventually arrive at a place where you're not only still screwed up, but now everyone knows about it, too." - John Gierach - Sex, Death and Fly Fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HikingMike Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 15 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Shafts are as mysterious as women. Shafts have bend points that can be high or low, or gradual, they can have stiff butt ends or stiff tips, and most of them have secret codes that a CIA agent can't disclose on pain of death. But the Japanese Miyazaki have a 4 number code, for the 4 sections from the grip down to the tip. The higher the number, the stiffer that section is. Ovalling is the deforming process when you swing a round shaft in a high speed swing. It becomes oval as the energy changes its shape from round. There, that's the first chapter in Moby Dick for golfers. We are all chasing the great white tiny but evil whale. Hah, well this does help. At least I know a little lay of the land here then. My Ping G20 driver actually has a "high flex point" or something like that written on it. Besides that and the flex, that's about all I have to go on with that. I will have to test the various stock shafts when I can. I've been reading some people stick with their shaft and carry it over to their new driver. Makes sense if you find one that suits your swing. sellemental 1 Quote Driver: G400 LST 8.5° 3W: King Speedzone Irons: i200 (3 thru PW & UW) Wedge: Ray Cook 60 deg Putter: Spalding TP Mills 3 Tech: on Apple Watch & phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyBonzo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Not to hijack this thread, but I saw this fitting video yesterday and was amazed at the efficacy and efficiency of the fitting. I have never had a fitting this well done, with this level of communication, and with this level of insight and customization. Mine were usually just "try this" "now try this" until a few worked well, then A vs. B until complete. No weight changes. No relatively slight shaft changes or loft/lie adjustments. Am I an outlier? If most fittings are this good, then I have definitely been going to the wrong places. This seems like a perfect example of an excellent fitting to me. I also wish I had that much swing speed! sellemental, mpatrickriley and BallsLeon 3 Quote Working at getting better ... and very slowly getting there. Paradym Max 8* ( Shogun Blue M0 Otto-Phlex) Brnr Mini driver 13.5* ( FX 3.0 140 M1 Otto-Phlex) Paradym X 4 and 5 Hybrids Maltby TS1 (shafts: Tour 120S) RTX6 Zipcore 53*, and 58* mid wedges ( wedge shafts 6.5) Frontline Elite 1.0 Gloves My Official 2024 TaylorMade Qi10 Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/62804-taylormade-qi10-drivers-2024-forum-member-review/?do=findComment&comment=1014200 My Official 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/58614-2023-mgs-forum-member-test-red-rooster-sussex-golf-glove/#comment-911042 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, IndyBonzo said: Not to hijack this thread, but I saw this fitting video yesterday and was amazed at the efficacy and efficiency of the fitting. I have never had a fitting this well done, with this level of communication, and with this level of insight and customization. Mine were usually just "try this" "now try this" until a few worked well, then A vs. B until complete. No weight changes. No relatively slight shaft changes or loft/lie adjustments. Am I an outlier? If most fittings are this good, then I have definitely been going to the wrong places. This seems like a perfect example of an excellent fitting to me. I also wish I had that much swing speed! A place like cool clubs, club champion/txg and TruSpec are going to offer this type of fitting. There are going to be some independent fitters who do as well but you are going to pay for the services. Its also why these type of places don’t give the fitting fee towards the purchase of a club. You are paying for the time and knowledge of a the fitter then a fee, etc for the clubs and club building if you order from them. Most fittings aren’t like this because they are run out of a pro shop, box store, demo day. Places where equipment isn’t available, inventory is limited. But yes even in those fittings you should have communication between fitter and golfer. It should be more than just try this, now this. I’ve been fit by really good fitters at pro shops and demo days where I came out with a great performing setup. I’m not as sensitive as others to weight so I don’t really need to much weight adjustment and typically fitting carts have a +2 or -2° lie head along with the manufacturers standard lie. I can fit between standard and -2° so fitting carts can get me dialed in. In fittings like this it comes down to how good the fitter is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyBonzo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: A place like cool clubs, club champion/txg and TruSpec are going to offer this type of fitting. There are going to be some independent fitters who do as well but you are going to pay for the services. Its also why these type of places don’t give the fitting fee towards the purchase of a club. You are paying for the time and knowledge of a the fitter then a fee, etc for the clubs and club building if you order from them. Most fittings aren’t like this because they are run out of a pro shop, box store, demo day. Places where equipment isn’t available, inventory is limited. But yes even in those fittings you should have communication between fitter and golfer. It should be more than just try this, now this. I’ve been fit by really good fitters at pro shops and demo days where I came out with a great performing setup. I’m not as sensitive as others to weight so I don’t really need to much weight adjustment and typically fitting carts have a +2 or -2° lie head along with the manufacturers standard lie. I can fit between standard and -2° so fitting carts can get me dialed in. In fittings like this it comes down to how good the fitter is Thank you @RickyBobby_PR! I hope you are right generally. But I have to say my last fitting at Club Champion in 2023 was nowhere near as good as the one in that video, and I got mis-fit as a result. Which ties back to the origin of this thread - how to trust your fitter? Good recommendations above. Quote Working at getting better ... and very slowly getting there. Paradym Max 8* ( Shogun Blue M0 Otto-Phlex) Brnr Mini driver 13.5* ( FX 3.0 140 M1 Otto-Phlex) Paradym X 4 and 5 Hybrids Maltby TS1 (shafts: Tour 120S) RTX6 Zipcore 53*, and 58* mid wedges ( wedge shafts 6.5) Frontline Elite 1.0 Gloves My Official 2024 TaylorMade Qi10 Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/62804-taylormade-qi10-drivers-2024-forum-member-review/?do=findComment&comment=1014200 My Official 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/58614-2023-mgs-forum-member-test-red-rooster-sussex-golf-glove/#comment-911042 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 25 minutes ago, IndyBonzo said: Thank you @RickyBobby_PR! I hope you are right generally. But I have to say my last fitting at Club Champion in 2023 was nowhere near as good as the one in that video, and I got mis-fit as a result. Which ties back to the origin of this thread - how to trust your fitter? Good recommendations above. I’m not saying club champion is good. It’s a chain I would steer people away from unless I know the fitter. There are some good fitters at CC but it’s a rarity. A fitting regardless of where and what’s available is only as good as the fitter and the communication between fitter and golfer. You trust a fitter thru reputation, no different than trusting any other person providing a service whether it’s a mechanic, barber, tailor, etc Middler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyBonzo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I’m not saying club champion is good. It’s a chain I would steer people away from unless I know the fitter. There are some good fitters at CC but it’s a rarity. A fitting regardless of where and what’s available is only as good as the fitter and the communication between fitter and golfer. You trust a fitter thru reputation, no different than trusting any other person providing a service whether it’s a mechanic, barber, tailor, etc Good points. I'm not arguing with you, to be clear. In fact I agree 100%. Just sharing my experience, and concurring that the abilities of the individual fitter are what matters, and not the name above or on the front door. Quote Working at getting better ... and very slowly getting there. Paradym Max 8* ( Shogun Blue M0 Otto-Phlex) Brnr Mini driver 13.5* ( FX 3.0 140 M1 Otto-Phlex) Paradym X 4 and 5 Hybrids Maltby TS1 (shafts: Tour 120S) RTX6 Zipcore 53*, and 58* mid wedges ( wedge shafts 6.5) Frontline Elite 1.0 Gloves My Official 2024 TaylorMade Qi10 Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/62804-taylormade-qi10-drivers-2024-forum-member-review/?do=findComment&comment=1014200 My Official 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/58614-2023-mgs-forum-member-test-red-rooster-sussex-golf-glove/#comment-911042 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 hours ago, IndyBonzo said: Good points. I'm not arguing with you, to be clear. In fact I agree 100%. Just sharing my experience, and concurring that the abilities of the individual fitter are what matters, and not the name above or on the front door. We agree. The problem is that there are too many bad fitters and too many golfers who don’t do any or enough research before going to get fit RDel90 and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDel90 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/26/2024 at 5:29 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: Club champion is on of the few places that starts with shafts. Maybe I just lucked out then. After base lining my current gamers, my CC fitter starts with heads on either the same shaft I am gaming or something very close. We went through a few heads to see what gains in dispersion and/or distance can be made. Then we went through some shafts to see if we can tweak numbers from there with a couple of the heads we downselected. So not all CC fittings are the same based on the fitter. IndyBonzo 1 Quote Bag: Sub 70 Cart Series bag Driver: Ping G425 LST 9 deg (set to 7.5 deg/"big minus") Mitsubishi C6 Blue Stiff 55g Grip JumboMax Ultralite (=std grip Jumbo size) 3W: Ping G410 14.5 deg (Set to 13.5 deg) Mitsubishi C6 Blue Stiff 65g Grip JumboMax (=std grip Jumbo size) Hybrid: 19 deg (Set to 18) deg Ping G410 hybrid Mitsubishi C6 Black Stiff 80g Grip JumboMax Ultralite (=std grip Jumbo size) Irons: 5-GW Irons Cobra Forged Tec X KBS Tour Lite Regular -0.25" Grip JumboMax (=std grip Jumbo size) Wedges: 50-07 S-grind, 54-08 D-grind and 58-12 deg D-grind Mizuno T22 Denim Copper Grip Golf Pride Z-Grip Putter: Cobra King 3D Printed Agera Armlock Putter 41" Game Ball: Maxfli TourX CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 20 minutes ago, RDel90 said: Maybe I just lucked out then. After base lining my current gamers, my CC fitter starts with heads on either the same shaft I am gaming or something very close. We went through a few heads to see what gains in dispersion and/or distance can be made. Then we went through some shafts to see if we can tweak numbers from there with a couple of the heads we downselected. So not all CC fittings are the same based on the fitter. Your fitter probably has more experience than what CC normally hires/trains for. But they are known to be shaft first head second IndyBonzo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest-0 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 13 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: We agree. The problem is that there are too many bad fitters and too many golfers who don’t do any or enough research before going to get fit I think even more than there are "bad fitters" there are terrible golfers who think a description of a club they read somewhere makes a shaft or a club the magic pill to fix their horrible non repeatable swing and blaming someone else is somehow easier for them cnosil 1 Quote WITB Driver is PING G430 MAX 10K 9° W/VENTUS BLACK 44.5" TOUR VELVET GRIP 3 WOOD TAYLORMADE M2 15° W/ADDI BB TOUR VELVET GRIP IRONS PING G410 4 AND 5 IRON W/X100 IRONS 6-9 PING I200 W/X100 WEDGES TITLEIST VOKEY SM8 48° CHROME VOKEY 52° 56° AND 60 ALL IN CHROME FINISH WITH DYNAMIC GOLD AND MCC+4 GRIPS SCOTTY CAMERON TOUR RAT GSS 350G MATADOR GRIP SUN MOUNTAIN C-130 CART BAG NIKON LASER TITLEIST PRO V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, Marlin Dave said: I think even more than there are "bad fitters" there are terrible golfers who think a description of a club they read somewhere makes a shaft or a club the magic pill to fix their horrible non repeatable swing and blaming someone else is somehow easier for them For sure and many want a quick fix which is why YouTube is very popular for these golfers who want “fix your slice in 3 easy steps” and any other type of issue one thinks they have. But having been around the fitting industry and reading enough posts over the years across forums there are a lot of bad fitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest-0 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: For sure and many want a quick fix which is why YouTube is very popular for these golfers who want “fix your slice in 3 easy steps” and any other type of issue one thinks they have. But having been around the fitting industry and reading enough posts over the years across forums there are a lot of bad fitters Without a doubt I agree but it's the same in any industry there are bad everything everywhere!!!! That's why as a guy who may not write a negative review somewhere I go out of my way to write positive ones for those who deserve it Barley Spargewater and cnosil 2 Quote WITB Driver is PING G430 MAX 10K 9° W/VENTUS BLACK 44.5" TOUR VELVET GRIP 3 WOOD TAYLORMADE M2 15° W/ADDI BB TOUR VELVET GRIP IRONS PING G410 4 AND 5 IRON W/X100 IRONS 6-9 PING I200 W/X100 WEDGES TITLEIST VOKEY SM8 48° CHROME VOKEY 52° 56° AND 60 ALL IN CHROME FINISH WITH DYNAMIC GOLD AND MCC+4 GRIPS SCOTTY CAMERON TOUR RAT GSS 350G MATADOR GRIP SUN MOUNTAIN C-130 CART BAG NIKON LASER TITLEIST PRO V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeGeorgia Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/25/2024 at 7:36 AM, deattle said: they seem to be very close to car salesman. I can totally understand this and I made sure when I went to inform them I wouldn't be buying from the store (bought used). This was nice because I paid for the fitting and didn't feel bad not getting anything and they knew they weren't going to sell me on anything. Definitely important to feel comfortable, because you'll want to try an emulate what it's like out on the course! My advice to anyone is take breaks if you need and don't feel bad if you need schedule another fitting if your swing is off that day. It can be a nerve racking experience and costly depending where you are. Quote Driver - Paradym X (10.5°) 5W - Paradym X 4h - Paradym X 5i-PW,AW,GW - Paradym X 56°, 60° - JAWS Raw Face Putter - White Hot Versa Double Wide DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, jbubski said: I can totally understand this and I made sure when I went to inform them I wouldn't be buying from the store (bought used). This was nice because I paid for the fitting and didn't feel bad not getting anything and they knew they weren't going to sell me on anything. Definitely important to feel comfortable, because you'll want to try an emulate what it's like out on the course! My advice to anyone is take breaks if you need and don't feel bad if you need schedule another fitting if your swing is off that day. It can be a nerve racking experience and costly depending where you are. Define swing being off. Everyone’s swing is going to have days where it’s better than others and a good fitter understands this and can tell what’s a non normal swing from a good one. They are watching the golfer warmup and asking questions. They can gather from the golfers feedback on their questions what’s normal or not. ForeGeorgia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest-0 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 15 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Define swing being off. Everyone’s swing is going to have days where it’s better than others and a good fitter understands this and can tell what’s a non normal swing from a good one. They are watching the golfer warmup and asking questions. They can gather from the golfers feedback on their questions what’s normal or not. I don't think "normal" is the word. Repeatable is the issue with alot of amatuers. Hard to compile data with any consistency if they hit the ball all over the place Quote WITB Driver is PING G430 MAX 10K 9° W/VENTUS BLACK 44.5" TOUR VELVET GRIP 3 WOOD TAYLORMADE M2 15° W/ADDI BB TOUR VELVET GRIP IRONS PING G410 4 AND 5 IRON W/X100 IRONS 6-9 PING I200 W/X100 WEDGES TITLEIST VOKEY SM8 48° CHROME VOKEY 52° 56° AND 60 ALL IN CHROME FINISH WITH DYNAMIC GOLD AND MCC+4 GRIPS SCOTTY CAMERON TOUR RAT GSS 350G MATADOR GRIP SUN MOUNTAIN C-130 CART BAG NIKON LASER TITLEIST PRO V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, Marlin Dave said: I don't think "normal" is the word. Repeatable is the issue with alot of amatuers. Hard to compile data with any consistency if they hit the ball all over the place Incorrect. This is a misperception by most amateurs. Everyone has the same swing from one one swing to another. The swing itself is repeatable, what happens is that the compensations one makes for their swing faults isn’t always the same and that’a where the inconsistency in strike and ball flight comes from. Even the pros have swing faults the difference between the pros or better golfers and the rest is the ability to make the same compensations each swing. A good fitter can see this and make the necessary adjustments to the equipment for the fitting. Between watching the swing, talking with the golfer about their game and what the ball flight in the fitting is like compared to their on course ball flight and misses the fitter can tell when a normal swing and what isn’t happens in the fitting. Its why I don’t get fit by anyone that doesn’t understand the swing itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest-0 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Just now, RickyBobby_PR said: Incorrect. This is a misperception by most amateurs. Everyone has the same swing from one one swing to another. The swing itself is repeatable, what happens is that the compensations one makes for their swing faults isn’t always the same and that’a where the inconsistency in strike and ball flight comes from. Even the pros have swing faults the difference between the pros or better golfers and the rest is the ability to make the same compensations each swing. A good fitter can see this and make the necessary adjustments to the equipment for the fitting. Between watching the swing, talking with the golfer about their game and what the ball flight in the fitting is like compared to their on course ball flight and misses the fitter can tell when a normal swing and what isn’t happens in the fitting. Its why I don’t get fit by anyone that doesn’t understand the swing itself. Oh ok Quote WITB Driver is PING G430 MAX 10K 9° W/VENTUS BLACK 44.5" TOUR VELVET GRIP 3 WOOD TAYLORMADE M2 15° W/ADDI BB TOUR VELVET GRIP IRONS PING G410 4 AND 5 IRON W/X100 IRONS 6-9 PING I200 W/X100 WEDGES TITLEIST VOKEY SM8 48° CHROME VOKEY 52° 56° AND 60 ALL IN CHROME FINISH WITH DYNAMIC GOLD AND MCC+4 GRIPS SCOTTY CAMERON TOUR RAT GSS 350G MATADOR GRIP SUN MOUNTAIN C-130 CART BAG NIKON LASER TITLEIST PRO V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Another word on flex point. The higher up on the shaft it is, the LOWER is the launch angle and flight. A low flex point kicks the ball up HIGHER. Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Another word on flex point. The higher up on the shaft it is, the LOWER is the launch angle and flight. A low flex point kicks the ball up HIGHER. not really. A lot depends on the golfer swing. So many myths about shafts have been debunked by experienced fitters with tons of data From Tom Wishon For those of you who have read some of my articles and posts on shafts, you have heard this part before. The shaft’s effect on launch angle, trajectory and backspin only become visible as the golfer’s release occurs later and later in the downswing. In addition, the shaft’s effect on trajectory and spin progresses more and more as the golfer’s clubhead speed and downswing aggressiveness/force increases. Golfers who unhinge the wrist cock early to midway in the downswing do NOT experience a difference in launch angle, trajectory or backspin from shafts of different flex and different bend profile. They do experience a difference in how solid or boardy the impact with the ball is. But as the release gets to midway on the downswing, and progressively a little later and later beyond midway in the downswing, the shaft begins to have a little more and more effect on launch angle, trajectory and spin. Link to the whole article https://www.golfwrx.com/55733/wishon-facts-about-what-shafts-what-shafts-do-and-who-they-do-it-for/ HikingMike and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Well that makes sense. A slow swing speed bends a shaft less than higher mph swing. So the flex point is less a factor for slower speeds. And Wishon knows a wee bit more than I do. I think. Maybe. Just a tad. HikingMike 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 31 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: Well that makes sense. A slow swing speed bends a shaft less than higher mph swing. So the flex point is less a factor for slower speeds. And Wishon knows a wee bit more than I do. I think. Maybe. Just a tad. It’s about the release and not so much speed, but yes a faster swinger is going to put more force on a shaft. But a faster swinger with a smooth transition and late release is going to experience a different feel and load than a radar swinger who is aggressive in transition and releases earlier HikingMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 That's why you have to actually hit balls . Why some shafts feel Just Right and some feel like cold mutton. I have a 12 yr old blue Ozik Matrix 3 wood shaft that is still Sophia Lauren for me. HikingMike 1 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCunderpar Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I’ve also had mixed experience including the used car salesman in fitters. I decided to take control of my fittings by working with my pro on the simulator. Who knows my game better- my pro or a fitter I may see at most 3 times every few years? Even the best fitter can only fit the game you brought that day. Once I know what numbers I want to hit, I’ll go to the big box store and tell them what clubs I want to hit. I’m upfront in how I’m doing the fitting and most are happy to work with me. In fact less work for them. If I’m having an off day, I walk away and come back another time. It’s not perfect but I’m in control and no one is trying to push a club that does not fit me. ILMgolfnut and HikingMike 2 Quote Driver: Rogue 9.0 Fairway: Rogue 15 Hybrids: Rogue 19 22 Irons: 5 - PW Wedges: 50 MD5 Jaws 54 & 58 Putter: O Works 2 Ball Fang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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