Popular Post CFreddie Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 Good question @GolfSpy MPR - as far as stock headcover offering, its probably the best I've seen. Super thick and plush, with strong magnets to hold it closed. However, I agree that the color choice is a bit strange - I wish they would have matched to the headcover. I did a bit of intel myself, and DM'ed both LAB and Seamus (who made my Sheep Ranch headcover) and asked when LAB-specific headcovers are coming out (both are Oregon-based companies...needed to happen sooner or later right?) and Seamus replied "working on it". mpatrickriley, ole gray, Cfhandyman and 7 others 9 1 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rearviewmirror Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, jbern said: Long lag putting has always been my nemesis. I would consistently leave putts 8+ ft short or 10 ft long. Has it been something that you've always struggled with or only struggled since the Mezz? Since getting the DF3, my lag putting has improved dramatically. What I can tell is that with my old putter, I would get jerky on the downstroke. Since getting the DF3, I have really focused on keeping things smooth to let the technology do it's job and it seems to make distance putting more consistent. I've only had one round on the course so far (my lag putting was superb during that round), so my data is mostly coming from Exputt. Honestly putting has been the most inconsistent part of my game since returning (after a 13yr layoff) last summer. I'll go through periods with 1-3 three putts (what I would consider "good" for me) and then have rounds with 4-6 three putts or occasionally as high as 8 (!). Often this will be in rounds where I would otherwise have broken 80 or I'm bleeding putts on GIRs to lose out on easy pars. I've done a lot of ExPutt work, but I've struggled to take it to the course when the pace either changes a lot from my home course (probably 8/9 stimp) or there are a lot of pace variations between greens. I will have some rounds where it clicks and tempo focus will unlock everything dying to 1ft, then other rounds where getting it to the hole feels virtually impossible. I've worked a lot on not decelerating and keeping a 1, 2 tempo, but even then I will have rounds where all lag putting skill abandons me. I am wondering if the slightly hotter DF3 face would help me get closer to the hole ejgaudette, Rob Person, jbern and 3 others 6 Quote Ping G430 Max 10K (10.5º) Review Post - Ping G425 Max 3W (14.5º) - Ping G425 Max 5W (18.5º) - Ping G425 Max 4 Hybrid - Ping G430 Max 9W - Ping i230 6-UW - s159 54º (S-grind) and 58º (B-grind) - LAB Golf DF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 21 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Fellow testers (or other DF3 owners): What are your guys thoughts on the headcover? I think at least a couple of you mentioned in your in first impressions post. As for quality and functionality, I have zero complaints. It's thick and plush, feels incredibly well-built, and the magnets are well-placed and strong enough. But it seems weird to me that a putter that comes with so many awesome choices of colors for the head has only a single stock headcover, and that with an accent color (turquoise/teal) that not only doesn't match any of the head color options, but positively clashes with many of them. Have you guys been looking at any aftermarket options? I know that several of us have joined the L.A.B. fan group on Facebook. It looks like, somewhere in the wild, there is a version of the headcover with black stitching. I can see why L.A.B. switched to the teal: the logo disappears entirely: One guy posted last night his own custom work, and it's glorious: As for me: I just ordered a red and a black leather sheet from Amazon. I'm thinking about working up my own Shazam lightning bolt cover. I like the L.A.B. headcover. It's a very high quality, well made and built cover. Would I prefer, a different option. Yes. My favourite is the one they are sold out of (see below). Personally I would prefer, a headcover with the Lab rat on it. If they make one, I will definitely order it. Now the old baseball glove as a headcover. That's really cool and unique. mpatrickriley, Steve F, Northern Monkey and 5 others 6 2 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 13 minutes ago, Cfhandyman said: I like the L.A.B. headcover. It's a very high quality, well made and built cover. Would I prefer, a different option. Yes. My favourite is the one they are sold out of (see below). Personally I would prefer, a headcover with the Lab rat on it. If they make one, I will definitely order it. Now the old baseball glove as a headcover. That's really cool and unique. Carter from L.A.B. mentioned they are supposed to be restocking these, so keep an eye out! I have one on my Link and it's just as good of quality as the standard one. Rob Person, jbern, Northern Monkey and 2 others 3 2 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rearviewmirror Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 FYI the blacked out head cover was just somebody who took a black Sharpie to the normal headcover. Someone did the same with a yellow sharpie to create a green version. Rob Person, CFreddie and Steve F 3 Quote Ping G430 Max 10K (10.5º) Review Post - Ping G425 Max 3W (14.5º) - Ping G425 Max 5W (18.5º) - Ping G425 Max 4 Hybrid - Ping G430 Max 9W - Ping i230 6-UW - s159 54º (S-grind) and 58º (B-grind) - LAB Golf DF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Fellow testers (or other DF3 owners): What are your guys thoughts on the headcover? I think at least a couple of you mentioned in your in first impressions post. As for quality and functionality, I have zero complaints. It's thick and plush, feels incredibly well-built, and the magnets are well-placed and strong enough. But it seems weird to me that a putter that comes with so many awesome choices of colors for the head has only a single stock headcover, and that with an accent color (turquoise/teal) that not only doesn't match any of the head color options, but positively clashes with many of them. Have you guys been looking at any aftermarket options? I know that several of us have joined the L.A.B. fan group on Facebook. It looks like, somewhere in the wild, there is a version of the headcover with black stitching. I can see why L.A.B. switched to the teal: the logo disappears entirely: One guy posted last night his own custom work, and it's glorious: As for me: I just ordered a red and a black leather sheet from Amazon. I'm thinking about working up my own Shazam lightning bolt cover. Hold the phone! That's awesome: and I mean both! As I have said before, I'm a complete sucker for "basic black".... and that, while some may think it disappears, gives a look I really like! I may have to toy with that black Sharpie thing! The repurposed baseball glove is just brilliant! I love that as well! I may have to get several head covers for one club! I also agree with @Cfhandyman: I'd go with the LAB Rat and cheese cover... so I may have to have multiple covers! Rob Person, jbern, Cfhandyman and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS 10.5 Kai Li 60R 3 wood: M2 Irons: Speedblades 4i-PW Wedge: CBX Sand: Wilson Pro Staff Putter: DF3 Ball: Pro shade Cart: Quad XL Other: Golf Pad "The more I work and practice, the luckier I seem to get.” -Gary Player “The proper score for a businessman golfer is 90. If he is better than that he is neglecting his business. If he’s worse, he’s neglecting his golf.” -St Andrews Rotary Club Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Fitting - Part 1 (note - I'll break these out into two different posts due to pictures / data) Just got back from my fitting at Club Champion - I'll get the unfortunate part out of the way first: the Quintic machine was down so we could only get data on a SAM - not a deal breaker, but I was bit disappointed given @Cfhandyman's write-up. Regardless, the results were VERY surprising to say the least... As I'm lucky enough to be in a major metropolitan area, I have a couple Club Champions close by, including one about 5 minutes from my house. If you have never been to one, its a really fun experience given the massive selection of clubs (heads, shafts, and putter options). I met up with Sam (my fitter, not to be confused with SAM ) to discuss my objectives for the "fitting" - as I explained to him, I wasn't looking to purchase a new putter, but merely compare my gamer to Chewie. He loved the idea and was impressed that the testers wanted to get some hard data as part of the overall DF3 test. As mentioned before, my Club Champion only had a SAM system in operation, but I believe it still provided some incredible data & results - here is a link to SAM in case you aren't familiar with the system: https://www.scienceandmotion.com/puttlab/ First things first, I warmed up with a couple putts with my Scotty, before he got some initial measurements - this included loft, lie angle, and length - all standard specs for the Phantom 5.5. Then Sam setup the "base unit" on the shaft of my putter, and asked to hit 7 putts at a length of about 10'. As luck would have it, I was 7 for 7 in makes - which increased the pressure a bit more on Chewie (its hard to beat perfection, right? ). Here are some key takeways from my first session with the Scotty: As @Cfhandyman pointed out with the Quintic overview, face angle at impact is VERY important - for my Scotty, I was measuring 0.8 degrees open at impact - not bad overall. In addition my path was relatively consistent across the 7 putts, another important factor. Interesting enough, the SAM told me my aim was slightly closed, probably compensating for my slightly open impact - my usual miss is right so this adds up (again, compensating for my normal miss). As far as launch, since my normal greens are somewhere in the middle (not too fast, not too slow), Sam / SAM informed me that my launch angle was somewhere in the middle, a good sign that I'm not hitting up / down on the ball too much at impact. Another interesting view - since my gamer is completely stock, this wasn't surprising to see my lie angle a bit off. With the LAB, this (hopefully) should be addressed through their remote fitting process. And while I'm not hitting it square in the center, at least I'm consistent, right? All-in-all, not a bad start, especially with my gamer which has definitely been in the dog house recently. SAM assigns a "overall consistency" score at the end of the session, which aggregates all of these different metrics into an easy to understand score. It rated me at a 68%, which is a bit below a good score of 75% (not sure how thats considered "good", but thats a different argument). Overall feeling: Part 2 (with Chewie) Coming Soon!!! ejgaudette, mpatrickriley, Cfhandyman and 6 others 3 6 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, CFreddie said: Fitting - Part 1 (note - I'll break these out into two different posts due to pictures / data) Just got back from my fitting at Club Champion - I'll get the unfortunate part out of the way first: the Quintic machine was down so we could only get data on a SAM - not a deal breaker, but I was bit disappointed given @Cfhandyman's write-up. Regardless, the results were VERY surprising to say the least... As I'm lucky enough to be in a major metropolitan area, I have a couple Club Champions close by, including one about 5 minutes from my house. If you have never been to one, its a really fun experience given the massive selection of clubs (heads, shafts, and putter options). I met up with Sam (my fitter, not to be confused with SAM ) to discuss my objectives for the "fitting" - as I explained to him, I wasn't looking to purchase a new putter, but merely compare my gamer to Chewie. He loved the idea and was impressed that the testers wanted to get some hard data as part of the overall DF3 test. As mentioned before, my Club Champion only had a SAM system in operation, but I believe it still provided some incredible data & results - here is a link to SAM in case you aren't familiar with the system: https://www.scienceandmotion.com/puttlab/ First things first, I warmed up with a couple putts with my Scotty, before he got some initial measurements - this included loft, lie angle, and length - all standard specs for the Phantom 5.5. Then Sam setup the "base unit" on the shaft of my putter, and asked to hit 7 putts at a length of about 10'. As luck would have it, I was 7 for 7 in makes - which increased the pressure a bit more on Chewie (its hard to beat perfection, right? ). Here are some key takeways from my first session with the Scotty: As @Cfhandyman pointed out with the Quintic overview, face angle at impact is VERY important - for my Scotty, I was measuring 0.8 degrees open at impact - not bad overall. In addition my path was relatively consistent across the 7 putts, another important factor. Interesting enough, the SAM told me my aim was slightly closed, probably compensating for my slightly open impact - my usual miss is right so this adds up (again, compensating for my normal miss). As far as launch, since my normal greens are somewhere in the middle (not too fast, not too slow), Sam / SAM informed me that my launch angle was somewhere in the middle, a good sign that I'm not hitting up / down on the ball too much at impact. Another interesting view - since my gamer is completely stock, this wasn't surprising to see my lie angle a bit off. With the LAB, this (hopefully) should be addressed through their remote fitting process. And while I'm not hitting it square in the center, at least I'm consistent, right? All-in-all, not a bad start, especially with my gamer which has definitely been in the dog house recently. SAM assigns a "overall consistency" score at the end of the session, which aggregates all of these different metrics into an easy to understand score. It rated me at a 68%, which is a bit below a good score of 75% (not sure how thats considered "good", but thats a different argument). Overall feeling: Part 2 (with Chewie) Coming Soon!!! That's great that you have a Club Champion so close to you! Too bad that the Quintic was down at the time, but you were able to get nice data on the Scotty! Can't wait for Part 2! I'm very curious to see the differences, especially with a putter that's been fit to you! Steve F, Rob Person and ejgaudette 2 1 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Fellow testers (or other DF3 owners): What are your guys thoughts on the headcover? I think at least a couple of you mentioned in your in first impressions post. As for quality and functionality, I have zero complaints. It's thick and plush, feels incredibly well-built, and the magnets are well-placed and strong enough. But it seems weird to me that a putter that comes with so many awesome choices of colors for the head has only a single stock headcover, and that with an accent color (turquoise/teal) that not only doesn't match any of the head color options, but positively clashes with many of them. Have you guys been looking at any aftermarket options? I know that several of us have joined the L.A.B. fan group on Facebook. It looks like, somewhere in the wild, there is a version of the headcover with black stitching. I can see why L.A.B. switched to the teal: the logo disappears entirely: One guy posted last night his own custom work, and it's glorious: As for me: I just ordered a red and a black leather sheet from Amazon. I'm thinking about working up my own Shazam lightning bolt cover. No way... that baseball glove one is blowing my mind!! Baseball was my sport in high school and I've been collecting baseball gloves of family members (if they'll donate them to me). It would be awesome to make one of my old ones into a putter cover! Anyway... The DF3 cover... My feelings seem similar to yours. The things I don't like are the color choice of the stitching and that it seems a little snug for the size of the putter. Otherwise, everything else is great! The quality is top notch and I love the detailed lab logo pattern stamped into the leather. The magnets are a must and I can't imagine how awkward it would be to open if it were velcro. The plush fabric also is top notch and gives the feeling that the head will be adequately protected. I have found a lot of small grass particles in the plush fabric, but that happens with every putter cover. I just need to keep up with cleaning it out. Northern Monkey, ejgaudette, Michael.Sandoval33 and 4 others 5 2 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWillGolf Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Today’s round with Nemo took a bit of a step backwards. I one putted the first hole but the chip to 1 foot was the win there. Them came a string of 3-putts broken up by the occasional 2-putt. 22 putts for 9 holes today. There were five 3-putts, three 2-putts and one 1-putt. The greens on the back 9 were just sprayed and I couldn’t get a feel for the speed for the life of me. jbern, Rob Person, Michael.Sandoval33 and 6 others 5 4 Quote Anyday Maverick Black Ops 7-way 0311 Black Ops 8° w/Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 60 0311 XF 3 wood 16° w/Fujikura Motore X F3 0211 Hybrid 3 19° w/Project X Even Flow Riptide G410 Crossover 4 w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 Paradym X 6 - GW w/True Temper Elevate MPH Official Forum Test SM9 54°/12° D and 58°/12° D w/KBS Tour 110 DF3 w/BGT Stability ONE Forum Test Shot Scope Pro LX+ Pro LX+ Official Forum Test Pro V1 3.5+ Tests No Longer in the Bag ER11v 34” Evnroll ER11v Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpatrickriley Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 ARG. Just finished a data collection session with the Edel. Saved all the data from HackMotion and Blast. And then I shut down the ExPutt before taking pictures of the results screen to putt in my spreadsheet. Looks like I'll do that one again tomorrow. Michael.Sandoval33, Northern Monkey, Rob Person and 4 others 1 6 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX E722 16.5°, Tensei AV RAW Blue 65 S Epic Super Hybrid 19°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 22°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 Epic Forged 7 27° 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 7–PW Diamond Tour Inazone 3.0 50°, 54°, 58°, Aldila NV 95 Graphite DF3, Counterbalanced 37", TPT shaft, Garsen Quad Tour 17" Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 59 minutes ago, CFreddie said: Fitting - Part 1 (note - I'll break these out into two different posts due to pictures / data) Just got back from my fitting at Club Champion - I'll get the unfortunate part out of the way first: the Quintic machine was down so we could only get data on a SAM - not a deal breaker, but I was bit disappointed given @Cfhandyman's write-up. Regardless, the results were VERY surprising to say the least... As I'm lucky enough to be in a major metropolitan area, I have a couple Club Champions close by, including one about 5 minutes from my house. If you have never been to one, its a really fun experience given the massive selection of clubs (heads, shafts, and putter options). I met up with Sam (my fitter, not to be confused with SAM ) to discuss my objectives for the "fitting" - as I explained to him, I wasn't looking to purchase a new putter, but merely compare my gamer to Chewie. He loved the idea and was impressed that the testers wanted to get some hard data as part of the overall DF3 test. As mentioned before, my Club Champion only had a SAM system in operation, but I believe it still provided some incredible data & results - here is a link to SAM in case you aren't familiar with the system: https://www.scienceandmotion.com/puttlab/ First things first, I warmed up with a couple putts with my Scotty, before he got some initial measurements - this included loft, lie angle, and length - all standard specs for the Phantom 5.5. Then Sam setup the "base unit" on the shaft of my putter, and asked to hit 7 putts at a length of about 10'. As luck would have it, I was 7 for 7 in makes - which increased the pressure a bit more on Chewie (its hard to beat perfection, right? ). Here are some key takeways from my first session with the Scotty: As @Cfhandyman pointed out with the Quintic overview, face angle at impact is VERY important - for my Scotty, I was measuring 0.8 degrees open at impact - not bad overall. In addition my path was relatively consistent across the 7 putts, another important factor. Interesting enough, the SAM told me my aim was slightly closed, probably compensating for my slightly open impact - my usual miss is right so this adds up (again, compensating for my normal miss). As far as launch, since my normal greens are somewhere in the middle (not too fast, not too slow), Sam / SAM informed me that my launch angle was somewhere in the middle, a good sign that I'm not hitting up / down on the ball too much at impact. Another interesting view - since my gamer is completely stock, this wasn't surprising to see my lie angle a bit off. With the LAB, this (hopefully) should be addressed through their remote fitting process. And while I'm not hitting it square in the center, at least I'm consistent, right? All-in-all, not a bad start, especially with my gamer which has definitely been in the dog house recently. SAM assigns a "overall consistency" score at the end of the session, which aggregates all of these different metrics into an easy to understand score. It rated me at a 68%, which is a bit below a good score of 75% (not sure how thats considered "good", but thats a different argument). Overall feeling: Part 2 (with Chewie) Coming Soon!!! Chris, @CFreddie, outstanding review and it provided you with some useful information. It will be interesting to see how Chewie does and if it correlates to what you are actually seeing on the golf course both for your gamer and the esteemed Chewie. jbern, Steve F, ejgaudette and 6 others 6 3 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 So, I had the opportunity to play twice this past weekend, and I feel like @MattWillGolf a bit. Setback a bit from how I was feeling last week. Avg putts way up from a week ago, scores way up from a week ago... I just felt like EVERYTHING was out of kilter: but I suppose that's our fickle game at my level. There was a silver lining, ... if that's possible. My misses are smaller than previously with the Spider, and the comment was made with the group I played with on the 26th, which also included my son who was in from NJ... "You're getting robbed." There were at least 5 lip outs, and they weren't from speed: they were slight misses, and all of them were to the right. So while the numbers look ugly, I feel like I'm getting the Mamba under better control with judging speed. The face on the DF3 feels "faster"? to me than the Spider. The ball seems to jump off the face crisper, if I am to put it in my own words. I am setting my first appointment at my local Club Champion for this week to get numbers on my swing with both the Spider and the Mamba. League play tomorrow night so some more putting numbers to follow. Michael.Sandoval33, ejgaudette, CFreddie and 4 others 4 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS 10.5 Kai Li 60R 3 wood: M2 Irons: Speedblades 4i-PW Wedge: CBX Sand: Wilson Pro Staff Putter: DF3 Ball: Pro shade Cart: Quad XL Other: Golf Pad "The more I work and practice, the luckier I seem to get.” -Gary Player “The proper score for a businessman golfer is 90. If he is better than that he is neglecting his business. If he’s worse, he’s neglecting his golf.” -St Andrews Rotary Club Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Fitting - Part 2 Picking up after hitting 7/7 with my Scotty, I (and probably Chewie) felt the temperature in the room increase quite a bit - this should be a slam dunk, right? My face angle is definitely 0 degrees, right? I should EASILY hit 75%+ on consistency score, right? Boy, what I was wrong... I'll cut to the chase, Chewie did not perform well...at all. After leaving my first putt WELL short of the hole, I only holed 3 more. Below is a summary of my stats: Face angle open almost a full degree more - not ideal: Some good - my path is relatively consistent! As with my gamer, my aim is still a bit closed and my launch falls in the middle of "ideal" - I think this is 100% attributed to setup, which should change over more time with DF3. This visual was a bit concerning - my lie is showing a bit upright but this could be based on my shaky setup (see above - def something to monitor). Finally, not only did I meet / exceed my score, I got MUCH worse: Overall, I'm not freaking out - I need a lot more time on a putting green with Chewie (unfortunately, I've had a bit of travel recently) so I was coming in pretty cold. Regardless, I'm super happy to go through the process - definitely a eye-opening set of results (both good and bad). Sharing some other pictures from my fitting - if you have any questions...ask away! Random call-out: you may see the "Vice" putter in the background. My CC just got it in this week - pretty neat design! ejgaudette, Cfhandyman, Michael.Sandoval33 and 8 others 7 2 2 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rearviewmirror Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, CFreddie said: Fitting - Part 2 Picking up after hitting 7/7 with my Scotty, I (and probably Chewie) felt the temperature in the room increase quite a bit - this should be a slam dunk, right? My face angle is definitely 0 degrees, right? I should EASILY hit 75%+ on consistency score, right? Boy, what I was wrong... I'll cut to the chase, Chewie did not perform well...at all. After leaving my first putt WELL short of the hole, I only holed 3 more. Below is a summary of my stats: Face angle open almost a full degree more - not ideal: Some good - my path is relatively consistent! As with my gamer, my aim is still a bit closed and my launch falls in the middle of "ideal" - I think this is 100% attributed to setup, which should change over more time with DF3. This visual was a bit concerning - my lie is showing a bit upright but this could be based on my shaky setup (see above - def something to monitor). Finally, not only did I meet / exceed my score, I got MUCH worse: Overall, I'm not freaking out - I need a lot more time on a putting green with Chewie (unfortunately, I've had a bit of travel recently) so I was coming in pretty cold. Regardless, I'm super happy to go through the process - definitely a eye-opening set of results (both good and bad). Sharing some other pictures from my fitting - if you have any questions...ask away! Random call-out: you may see the "Vice" putter in the background. My CC just got it in this week - pretty neat design! Interesting write up. Consensus back when I looked into this was that attaching the SAM unit might throw off the lie angle balance. It’s a bummer you couldn’t use Quintic to verify that finding. jbern, Michael.Sandoval33, CFreddie and 2 others 4 1 Quote Ping G430 Max 10K (10.5º) Review Post - Ping G425 Max 3W (14.5º) - Ping G425 Max 5W (18.5º) - Ping G425 Max 4 Hybrid - Ping G430 Max 9W - Ping i230 6-UW - s159 54º (S-grind) and 58º (B-grind) - LAB Golf DF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 6 minutes ago, Rearviewmirror said: Interesting write up. Consensus back when I looked into this was that attaching the SAM unit might throw off the lie angle balance. It’s a bummer you couldn’t use Quintic to verify that finding. Not a bad thought - I feel like there should be a do-over (with much more practice), so I’ll be sure to try out on a Quintic. Rob Person, jbern, mpatrickriley and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 9 hours ago, CFreddie said: Fitting - Part 2 Picking up after hitting 7/7 with my Scotty, I (and probably Chewie) felt the temperature in the room increase quite a bit - this should be a slam dunk, right? My face angle is definitely 0 degrees, right? I should EASILY hit 75%+ on consistency score, right? Boy, what I was wrong... I'll cut to the chase, Chewie did not perform well...at all. After leaving my first putt WELL short of the hole, I only holed 3 more. Below is a summary of my stats: Face angle open almost a full degree more - not ideal: Some good - my path is relatively consistent! As with my gamer, my aim is still a bit closed and my launch falls in the middle of "ideal" - I think this is 100% attributed to setup, which should change over more time with DF3. This visual was a bit concerning - my lie is showing a bit upright but this could be based on my shaky setup (see above - def something to monitor). Finally, not only did I meet / exceed my score, I got MUCH worse: Overall, I'm not freaking out - I need a lot more time on a putting green with Chewie (unfortunately, I've had a bit of travel recently) so I was coming in pretty cold. Regardless, I'm super happy to go through the process - definitely a eye-opening set of results (both good and bad). Sharing some other pictures from my fitting - if you have any questions...ask away! Random call-out: you may see the "Vice" putter in the background. My CC just got it in this week - pretty neat design! Interesting results to say the least. If memory serves me correct, Club Champion in the US uses SAM as their putting launch monitor, while in Canada they use Quintic. Are you seeing the same results on course, or is this more of an anomaly and more practice/learning time with Chewie is needed? Thanks for sharing. GolfSpy_KFT, Rob Person and jbern 3 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Good call @Cfhandyman - maybe my fitter was mistaken (he said they have used a Quintic in the past, maybe that was somewhere else ). Regardless, I have a couple other fitting options nearby I can explore for a second session later in testing. I def think it was an abnormality - I rolled a couple putts after the session with Chewie and proceeded to make 10 in a row . Def not throwing in the towel at the moment - just a bad session altogether and I’ll move on. Rob Person, jbern, GolfSpy_KFT and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braehead Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I really don't like the way putters feel when you add the big sensor contraption that SAM requires. Good luck with the DF3, I hope you have better results with it than I've had. Rob Person, Cfhandyman, CFreddie and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: Ping G430LST, Kaili White S 3 Wood: Ping G430Max, Alta Stiff 3H: Callaway Paradym, Tour AD-DI 8S 4&5H: Callaway Apex Pro, Tour AD-DI 8S 6-PW: Taylormade P770 ('23 model), KBS Tour Lite S 50/54/60: Vokey SM9, KBS Tour Lite S Putter: Toulon Atlanta with KBS OneStep shaft Ball: ProV1x (or Wilson Staff Model X) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 7 minutes ago, Braehead said: I really don't like the way putters feel when you add the big sensor contraption that SAM requires. Good luck with the DF3, I hope you have better results with it than I've had. Yep - totally fair @Braehead. As I’ve said, I just chalk it up to a bad session - my on course performance has been markedly better with the DF3. Will def plan to do another session in a couple weeks. Rob Person, Braehead, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 hours ago, CFreddie said: Yep - totally fair @Braehead. As I’ve said, I just chalk it up to a bad session - my on course performance has been markedly better with the DF3. Will def plan to do another session in a couple weeks. @CFreddie if there is a True Spec or something of that caliber in your area, they will most likely have the Quintic system. CFreddie, Rob Person and jbern 3 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 The L.A.B. DF3 - Is there a learning curve to using it? When the original DF 2 was introduced it created a sensation. The downside, it was rather large and a bit strange looking, even weird some would say. But it worked well. It was designed to eliminate torque and produce a repeatable swing. Putts hit on the toe or heal, roll like those hit off the centre of the face. Mishits don’t matter. But is there a learning curve in learning how to use it well or have we gotten so use to manipulating face angle with our hands with our other putters? The DF3 is the smaller sleeker version of the original directed force 2.1. It was designed on the principle of lie angle balance and stays square all by itself. For one thing, it is balanced by hand. Comparing the two head to head, the DF3 is noticeably sleeker and smaller and you grow to love its unique looks. The DF3 is still a large putter, whereas the DF2.1 is gargantuan in size. Rolling putts side by side, the feel and balance are quite similar to each other, however the DF 2 just felt much bigger. The Science behind Lie Angle Balance Putters – More consistent results ( https://www.labgolf.com ) Primarily, Lie Angle Balancing addresses stability during the entire putting stroke, not just impact. It prevents twisting during both the backswing and downstroke. The goal is to keep the putter head square to the lie angle it’s built for, ensuring a stable and repeatable swing. How Lie Angle Balance Works: Unlike traditional putters (which can be toe-hang or face-balanced), L.A.B. Golf putters balance with the toe up. This unique design aligns the putter face square to the shaft’s angle at address. By eliminating torsional resistance, golfers don’t need to manipulate the face angle during their stroke. The putter head intentionally seeks to stay square, allowing for a natural swing path without excessive hand adjustments. According to L.A.B., Lie Angle Balance Technology simplifies putting by promoting a square putter face at impact, leading to more accurate putts. Great putters consistently return the putter face to square at impact (perpendicular to the target line). Data (Quintic) shows that 83% of a putts starting direction is directly influenced by the putter face at impact. The remaining 17% is due to path of the putter head. Press Grip: Success comes from leaning the shaft forward at impact to reduce loft, while at the same time contacting the ball with an upward putter path to encourage the truest possible roll. That’s because Press Grips are created with our built-in Forward Press Technology. It allows golfers to keep their hands vertical at address, allowing the angle of the grip to pre-sets the ideal shaft lean. So, pick your line, deliver the correct speed and make your natural stroke. Is there a learning curve – Yes -> See short 1-2 minute videos below to help you L.A.B. recommendations: Grip your putter lighter and use gravity to manage rather than acceleration. Use gravity, with a smooth long stroke, doesn’t matter where you hit it in the face. Let the putter do its thing Putt with one hand, get use to the weight of the putter head. One ball drill – normal stance.,, place ball in hole and practice tempo, control face angle Thumbs off drill – with no torque, take thumbs off the putter, can’t use your hands, more in tune with shoulders, putter stays square by itself Grips generally done to stabilize the putter face, work your hands underneath, weaker left hand, stronger right hand to utilize the technology Tips: Play the ball slightly more forward as the putter face is ahead of the shaft. Most putters have face behind the shaft, so scoot the ball forward, put the tip of shaft in middle of your stance or a little forward, This will encourage low to high stroke to give you most optimal roll. jbern, Steve F, GolfSpy SAM and 4 others 4 3 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 19 minutes ago, Cfhandyman said: The L.A.B. DF3 - Is there a learning curve to using it? When the original DF 2 was introduced it created a sensation. The downside, it was rather large and a bit strange looking, even weird some would say. But it worked well. It was designed to eliminate torque and produce a repeatable swing. Putts hit on the toe or heal, roll like those hit off the centre of the face. Mishits don’t matter. But is there a learning curve in learning how to use it well or have we gotten so use to manipulating face angle with our hands with our other putters? The DF3 is the smaller sleeker version of the original directed force 2.1. It was designed on the principle of lie angle balance and stays square all by itself. For one thing, it is balanced by hand. Comparing the two head to head, the DF3 is noticeably sleeker and smaller and you grow to love its unique looks. The DF3 is still a large putter, whereas the DF2.1 is gargantuan in size. Rolling putts side by side, the feel and balance are quite similar to each other, however the DF 2 just felt much bigger. The Science behind Lie Angle Balance Putters – More consistent results ( https://www.labgolf.com ) Primarily, Lie Angle Balancing addresses stability during the entire putting stroke, not just impact. It prevents twisting during both the backswing and downstroke. The goal is to keep the putter head square to the lie angle it’s built for, ensuring a stable and repeatable swing. How Lie Angle Balance Works: Unlike traditional putters (which can be toe-hang or face-balanced), L.A.B. Golf putters balance with the toe up. This unique design aligns the putter face square to the shaft’s angle at address. By eliminating torsional resistance, golfers don’t need to manipulate the face angle during their stroke. The putter head intentionally seeks to stay square, allowing for a natural swing path without excessive hand adjustments. According to L.A.B., Lie Angle Balance Technology simplifies putting by promoting a square putter face at impact, leading to more accurate putts. Great putters consistently return the putter face to square at impact (perpendicular to the target line). Data (Quintic) shows that 83% of a putts starting direction is directly influenced by the putter face at impact. The remaining 17% is due to path of the putter head. Press Grip: Success comes from leaning the shaft forward at impact to reduce loft, while at the same time contacting the ball with an upward putter path to encourage the truest possible roll. That’s because Press Grips are created with our built-in Forward Press Technology. It allows golfers to keep their hands vertical at address, allowing the angle of the grip to pre-sets the ideal shaft lean. So, pick your line, deliver the correct speed and make your natural stroke. Is there a learning curve – Yes -> See short 1-2 minute videos below to help you L.A.B. recommendations: Grip your putter lighter and use gravity to manage rather than acceleration. Use gravity, with a smooth long stroke, doesn’t matter where you hit it in the face. Let the putter do its thing Putt with one hand, get use to the weight of the putter head. One ball drill – normal stance.,, place ball in hole and practice tempo, control face angle Thumbs off drill – with no torque, take thumbs off the putter, can’t use your hands, more in tune with shoulders, putter stays square by itself Grips generally done to stabilize the putter face, work your hands underneath, weaker left hand, stronger right hand to utilize the technology Tips: Play the ball slightly more forward as the putter face is ahead of the shaft. Most putters have face behind the shaft, so scoot the ball forward, put the tip of shaft in middle of your stance or a little forward, This will encourage low to high stroke to give you most optimal roll. Great overview! So is it safe to say that with LAB putter you will have to adapt to the putter and adjust your preferred putting tendencies to use it successfully? Cfhandyman and Steve F 1 1 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 13 hours ago, CFreddie said: Fitting - Part 2 Picking up after hitting 7/7 with my Scotty, I (and probably Chewie) felt the temperature in the room increase quite a bit - this should be a slam dunk, right? My face angle is definitely 0 degrees, right? I should EASILY hit 75%+ on consistency score, right? Boy, what I was wrong... I'll cut to the chase, Chewie did not perform well...at all. After leaving my first putt WELL short of the hole, I only holed 3 more. Below is a summary of my stats: Face angle open almost a full degree more - not ideal: Some good - my path is relatively consistent! As with my gamer, my aim is still a bit closed and my launch falls in the middle of "ideal" - I think this is 100% attributed to setup, which should change over more time with DF3. This visual was a bit concerning - my lie is showing a bit upright but this could be based on my shaky setup (see above - def something to monitor). Finally, not only did I meet / exceed my score, I got MUCH worse: Overall, I'm not freaking out - I need a lot more time on a putting green with Chewie (unfortunately, I've had a bit of travel recently) so I was coming in pretty cold. Regardless, I'm super happy to go through the process - definitely a eye-opening set of results (both good and bad). Sharing some other pictures from my fitting - if you have any questions...ask away! Random call-out: you may see the "Vice" putter in the background. My CC just got it in this week - pretty neat design! It's a little unfortunate that Chewie didn't perform during that set of puts for the SAM, but hopefully the on-course performance will show different results! I can also see why putting a device on the LAB would throw things off a bit. I tried to mount my phone to the club for a video and it threw things WAY off! I will say, Chewie looks fantastic! The cappuccino color with the 3 dots should be a go-to, because it's great! Especially like it against the green grass! Cfhandyman, Steve F, Rob Person and 2 others 1 2 1 1 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 33 minutes ago, Rob Person said: Great overview! So is it safe to say that with LAB putter you will have to adapt to the putter and adjust your preferred putting tendencies to use it successfully? TL;DR: In my opinion, yes. I'm going to talk about this quite a bit in my first impressions post, but I had to change everything to get comfortable with the LAB. Ball position forward, stance change (feet closer together), grip change (big time), arm hang change, trigger change and feeling during the stroke has changed also. It should also be noted that I'm going from and armlock to a counterbalance, so I expected changes, but I think that for anyone getting the putter there will be some changes that need to be made to get the most out of it. ole gray, Rob Person, ejgaudette and 5 others 3 5 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 41 minutes ago, Rob Person said: Great overview! So is it safe to say that with LAB putter you will have to adapt to the putter and adjust your preferred putting tendencies to use it successfully? @Rob Person, great question. From my perspective the answer is "yes." When you pick up the DF3, you can perceptibly feel ... nothing. Except the weight, which there, too, is lighter than my Spider. There is no twist or turn of the putter once you've lifted it off the ground. My Spider, when you lift it you can feel the head turning slightly right: there is a noticeable, to me, light "tug". So, yes, it is and has taken me some getting used to. I might also add that the face of the Mamba feels "crisper" to me: the ball seems to jump off the face compared to the Spider. Michael.Sandoval33, Rob Person, CFreddie and 4 others 5 2 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS 10.5 Kai Li 60R 3 wood: M2 Irons: Speedblades 4i-PW Wedge: CBX Sand: Wilson Pro Staff Putter: DF3 Ball: Pro shade Cart: Quad XL Other: Golf Pad "The more I work and practice, the luckier I seem to get.” -Gary Player “The proper score for a businessman golfer is 90. If he is better than that he is neglecting his business. If he’s worse, he’s neglecting his golf.” -St Andrews Rotary Club Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mpatrickriley Posted May 29 Popular Post Share Posted May 29 Walked a quick nine with Kirke this morning. This brings me up to five 9-hole rounds with the L.A.B., and the on-course numbers continue to show a nice bump (about two strokes per round) in my strokes gained numbers: The greens were very dewy this morning; I believe I left three different putts in the 20–25' range a foot or two short. Still my fault, but encouraging nonetheless. I did miss two short putts this morning, one from 3' (slid low) and one from just within 5' (that I shoved right). What I have to say right now is that my distance control is as dialed in as I can remember. As I noted earlier in the thread, it is going to be difficult for me to separate out the benefits of the DF3 vs the benefits of regular lag putting practice using the ExPutt simulator. In favor of the DF3, right now, is that I'm still shuffling among the Edel, Evnroll, and the L.A.B. in my indoor data gathering, so it's not as though I've just been grinding with the DF3 alone on my distance control. The numbers show me that it's time for me to break out the PuttOut again, and work on getting perfect putts in the 4–10' range. Steve F, CFreddie, Cfhandyman and 7 others 4 6 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX E722 16.5°, Tensei AV RAW Blue 65 S Epic Super Hybrid 19°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 22°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 Epic Forged 7 27° 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 7–PW Diamond Tour Inazone 3.0 50°, 54°, 58°, Aldila NV 95 Graphite DF3, Counterbalanced 37", TPT shaft, Garsen Quad Tour 17" Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braehead Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve F said: @Rob Person, great question. From my perspective the answer is "yes." When you pick up the DF3, you can perceptibly feel ... nothing. Except the weight, which there, too, is lighter than my Spider. There is no twist or turn of the putter once you've lifted it off the ground. My Spider, when you lift it you can feel the head turning slightly right: there is a noticeable, to me, light "tug". So, yes, it is and has taken me some getting used to. I might also add that the face of the Mamba feels "crisper" to me: the ball seems to jump off the face compared to the Spider. I found and watched those videos too. I changed my grip, my stance, my ball position - but then I couldn't see my line any more and my confidence evaporated. Standing in my putting stance, without a club and positioning the ball where I best see my line, I need it to be under my right eye (but about half a ball to a ball up my forehead, if that makes sense). That's the total opposite of what L.A.B. recommend. Are you fitting the club to the player or the player to the club? I agree the putter works better as described above - but I don't! Edited May 29 by Braehead extra content Rob Person, mpatrickriley, Michael.Sandoval33 and 3 others 4 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430LST, Kaili White S 3 Wood: Ping G430Max, Alta Stiff 3H: Callaway Paradym, Tour AD-DI 8S 4&5H: Callaway Apex Pro, Tour AD-DI 8S 6-PW: Taylormade P770 ('23 model), KBS Tour Lite S 50/54/60: Vokey SM9, KBS Tour Lite S Putter: Toulon Atlanta with KBS OneStep shaft Ball: ProV1x (or Wilson Staff Model X) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbern Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I did another Exputt Analysis session yesterday with the DF3. Below is my score: I now have Exputt Analysis scores with the DF3 of 68.5, 67.7, 69.7, 70.2 and 72.8. Again, the general trend line is continuing up, which is great news! I took @cnosil's advice and tips from his Sacks Parente putter test and also did a session on the Exputt of random distances from 5 to 50 feet and logged all the data in excel to analyze things on my own. The results and graph's from that session will be coming soon! Cfhandyman, cnosil, Rob Person and 5 others 5 3 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfhandyman Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 hours ago, Rob Person said: Great overview! So is it safe to say that with LAB putter you will have to adapt to the putter and adjust your preferred putting tendencies to use it successfully? @Rob Person in my case, not really. I already play the ball slightly forward of center. I did lighten the grip pressure but that also helped my gamer. The pistol grip and my Evnroll gravity grip are similarly shaped and the TPT shaft and my stability shaft are very similar, so the transition was very easy. Only initial surprise was distance control with my first few putts coming up significantly short. However after distance/lag control practice, got it dialed in. Based on the on course experience, the face control of the L.A.B. Is excellent. Quintic test results coming out on Friday. jbern, Steve F, Rob Person and 2 others 2 3 Quote Driver: Taylormade Stealth 2 plus, LA golf DJ shaft, 55S 3 wood - TM Stealth plus, Mitsubishi Kai’li. Blue, 5 wood - TM Stealth plus, Hzrdus red, 3 hybrid Mizuno CLK, Fuji pro Irons (5-PW) - Mizuno 921 HMP, Accra IS 80 Wedges, TM MG4 SB 48*/09*, HB 54*/13*, TW 60*/11*, Accra ICWT 95 M4 Putter: L.A.B. DF3, TPT shaft, pistol grip Bag: Vessel Cobra tour stand bag Balls: Titleist ProV1x, Callaway Chrome soft X LS, Bridgestone Tour B XS or Srixon Z star Diamond Tech: Arccos, Bushnell Pro XE rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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