revkev Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I'm in-between church services - weird to have an hour and a half to play with on a Sunday morning but we have no Sunday School the next two weeks. Looking at the Titleist website it appears that there are two no-upcharge shaft options for each head and then several with upcharges from around $300 to $800. Most of those shafts come in 3 or 4 different flexes and there are multiple weights for each shaft. Each driver has three or four lofts plus multiple sleeve settings for each of those lofts. There are literally 100's of options just sticking with what is listed on the Titleist website. Even if you just stuck with the no upcharge shafts there are probably 100 fitting options available. I don't know why a fitter would ever need to go outside of those parameters. My Taylor Made is a Xi10 10,5 head, Diamana Whiteboard 60 R flex, 44.25" length. I currently have the loft turned up one. None of that is an upcharge but I've yet to find anyone who has exactly what I do. So is it stock or is it custom? I doubt I would have arrived at this if I just had the website to search unless a big box place had one on the rack for me to try. And even then I would not have had the shaft cut down to 44.25 to start. I would have been trying it at 45.75 which is the stock length. The distance gain that I experienced in last years fitting did hold for me. I credit that to the shaft length being the proper one for what was a Stealth 2 at the time and my swing. My fitter got it right. TJ Hall and KC Golf 1 1 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Ah and I just saw that your shaft is a $345 upcharge so there's where the close to $800 price tage comes from. Quote Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: TR isn't a shaft you can find everywhere fwiw This was my biggest takeaway. You did end up with a premium upgrade and gained 20 yards. I’d take it. Edited May 19 by bens197 KC Golf, TJ Hall and russtopherb 3 Quote PING G400 LST Mitsubishi Tensei White 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 23 minutes ago, revkev said: Even if you just stuck with the no upcharge shafts there are probably 100 fitting options available. I don't know why a fitter would ever need to go outside of those parameters. My Taylor Made is a Xi10 10,5 head, Diamana Whiteboard 60 R flex, 44.25" length. I currently have the loft turned up one. None of that is an upcharge but I've yet to find anyone who has exactly what I do.So is it stock or is it custom? I doubt I would have arrived at this if I just had the website to search unless a big box place had one on the rack for me to try. And even then I would not have had the shaft cut down to 44.25 to start. My thought on your questions: While there are lots of options available a fitter will quickly limit you to what works for your swing. That said, one of the big complaints about CC is that they fit you into expensive premium options that are not available from the OEM and don't do anything stock. You go to GolfTec which is pretty much fit into one of the stock or upcharge options. if you are just tweaking settings on your driver adapter then it is stock. If you have a shaft that is available at no upcharge it is stock. You are configuring a stock club. If you cut down the shaft that probably gets into custom. This is often difficult to do during a fitting since most fitters don't have different length shafts. bens197, TJ Hall, revkev and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Solid Bogey Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 On 5/18/2024 at 10:30 AM, ChitownM2 said: There are no unique options that are only available at CC. All the shafts they have at CC are available from other retailers. If you specifically wanted to be fit into something that wasn't available from Titleist then you probably needed to mention that, but I'm not sure how that would have been better for you. Your fitter considered all the shafts he had on the wall and concluded that the TR black fit you best, what does it matter that it is available from Titleist directly? Now if your fitter only pulled the TR off the wall and that's the only shaft you hit in your fitting then you have a different problem and I think you'd be justified in going back and telling them you want to see if there are other options. As far as paying over MSRP, you were going have to do that no matter where you bought from. No manufacturer has a ventus TR included in their stock "no upcharge" offering. If CC charged you more than $794 then you should go back and ask them to match the price from Titleist. Or local store did that for my father when he ordered a combo on irons that was available from the factory. Thanks; good to know… I was under the mistaken impression that CC was the exclusive option for fitting with Aretera Alpha shafts. J7Hawkins and TJ Hall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, Dead Solid Bogey said: Thanks; good to know… I was under the mistaken impression that CC was the exclusive option for fitting with Aretera Alpha shafts. They are the primary fitter but there are few others and per their website they are trying to get other fitters. You can also buy they shaft from several online dealers. ChitownM2 and TJ Hall 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFERD Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Were there other options and combos that were similar in performance as the combo you purchased? TR isn't a shaft you can find everywhere fwiw A Graphite Design shaft performed similarly on solid strikes but was spinier on off center hits. Quote Lefty 3-6 HDCP PXG Gen 5 Driver and 3W - Diamana white board 60S PXG Gen 4 19* and 22* hybrids - Aldila NV green 80S Cobra Forged Tech 6-GW - KBS Tour Light S flex Sub 70 56* and 60* wedges -KBS Tour S flex SeeMore PLATINUM M5 HT MALLET OFFSET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, JAFERD said: A Graphite Design shaft performed similarly on solid strikes but was spinier on off center hits. I mean more with heads. Paradym TD, TM, Cobra etc. Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7Hawkins Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I personally haven’t been to CC, but have had multiple fittings by multiple different people (both on a club range and separately, indoor on a sim). Unfortunately, I think fitters are about 50/50 on whether they are truly helpful or not. Just like any other sales position, some are more interested in a sale than a fit. I went into a fitting once looking to buy a new set of irons ($1000+ purchase) and I told him going in that I wanted a heavier shaft (115+) as I had lighter shafts in my irons at the time but had been fit with heavier S400s for my wedges. The guy never once had me hit anything that weighed more than 115 and insisted that the DG 105g stiff shaft was best for me (even though I kept telling him I didn’t like the feel or dispersion). 2 weeks later I told a fitter the same thing, he started me with S300 (as any fitter would) and we tried multiple before settling back with the S300, it was a great experience and I had a great time. My advice for anyone would be not to go into a fitting without knowing a decent amount about what you want/or are looking for, and what they may have that suits you. If you go in blind many of them will just turn into salesmen. TJ Hall 1 Quote Driver: g410 (Mitsubishi Tensei Orange 65g) | Mini Driver: BRNR Mini Copper (Kai’Li Blue 70g) | 3 Wood: LTDx (Project X HZRDUS Smoke IM10) | Utility Iron: 699 v2 Utility (20° Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 90g) | Irons: Ai Smoke 5-AW (Project X Denali Black) | Wedges (52, 56, 60): T22 Blue Ion (DG Tour Series S400) | Putter: Versa Double-Wide Blade (Stroke Lab shaft) | Ball: RB Tour X Baseball player turned golf addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 23 minutes ago, J7Hawkins said: Unfortunately, I think fitters are about 50/50 on whether they are truly helpful or not. Just like any other sales position, some are more interested in a sale than a fit. ... If they are truly helpful and fit a client into what works best for their swing they probably will make a sale. If the try and force an upgrade on someone not necessarily looking for a higher end product, they will probably lose a sale. Business 101. ... Kinda like heading to a Hyundai dealership looking to buy a $26k Elantra Hybrid and the salesman only shows them the top of the line $45k Tucson LTD Plug-in Hybrid, chances are they aren't getting a sale. bens197, J7Hawkins and Preeway 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 hours ago, Dead Solid Bogey said: Thanks; good to know… I was under the mistaken impression that CC was the exclusive option for fitting with Aretera Alpha shafts. So when the Aretera was first introduced CC was the only fitting option. After a short period of time(don’t know the exact timeframe but it wasn’t long), other places got them. I got mine from my local guy a few weeks ago. Dead Solid Bogey, GolfSpy_APH and TJ Hall 3 Quote What is in my Ghost MGS anyday Maverick or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Callaway Smoke AI TD Max 8.5* with an Aretera Alpha One Blue 55/4 shaft @ 44.75” or GD VF 5s @45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" TSR2 7 wood shaft TBD Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: P790 Aged Copper 4-PW with Steelfiber I95 R Wedges: T22 copper 50* and 54* with Steelfiber 95 S Putter: 2024 Phantom 5.5 @ 34” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFERD Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I mean more with heads. Paradym TD, TM, Cobra etc. Gotcha, tried several heads once shaft was narrowed down to 3 choices. Titleist head was 1st with every shaft. TM was last with every shaft. The other three heads traded middle of the pack honors but Cobra was 2nd place with Ventus by a smallish margin. The Ventus TR was tops with every head. Preeway and TJ Hall 2 Quote Lefty 3-6 HDCP PXG Gen 5 Driver and 3W - Diamana white board 60S PXG Gen 4 19* and 22* hybrids - Aldila NV green 80S Cobra Forged Tech 6-GW - KBS Tour Light S flex Sub 70 56* and 60* wedges -KBS Tour S flex SeeMore PLATINUM M5 HT MALLET OFFSET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Solid Bogey Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 4 hours ago, cnosil said: They are the primary fitter but there are few others and per their website they are trying to get other fitters. You can also buy they shaft from several online dealers. Great… Maybe I need to wait until their are more fitting options for those shafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, JAFERD said: Gotcha, tried several heads once shaft was narrowed down to 3 choices. Titleist head was 1st with every shaft. TM was last with every shaft. The other three heads traded middle of the pack honors but Cobra was 2nd place with Ventus by a smallish margin. The Ventus TR was tops with every head. So you got the clear winner then! Even when comparing all the new models. I could see there being a slight disappointment if one option was close. But even when comparing the 2024 models the was one model that was better and it was from 2023, still a current line though. Plus you got a top tier shaft. I understand that come end of summer it may not be the new model, but it still out performed all the others for you. Sounds like you had a thorough fitting and got a product for you that works great. In the end that's all anyone can ask for. Maybe you could have found the driver for a bit cheaper elsewhere, but not likely with that shaft. Then toss on again it was the clear winner for you and I think you got what you should get out of a fitting. If we always chase the newest and latest tech we would be buying new clubs every 2 months ... Some of us do... KC Golf, Northern Monkey, JAFERD and 6 others 9 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFERD Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: So you got the clear winner then! Even when comparing all the new models. I could see there being a slight disappointment if one option was close. But even when comparing the 2024 models the was one model that was better and it was from 2023, still a current line though. Plus you got a top tier shaft. I understand that come end of summer it may not be the new model, but it still out performed all the others for you. Sounds like you had a thorough fitting and got a product for you that works great. In the end that's all anyone can ask for. Maybe you could have found the driver for a bit cheaper elsewhere, but not likely with that shaft. Then toss on again it was the clear winner for you and I think you got what you should get out of a fitting. If we always chase the newest and latest tech we would be buying new clubs every 2 months ... Some of us do... Great insight. I think the experience disappointed me because I buy new equipment every 3-5 years so it would have been nice to know that Titleist was releasing a new driver in 3 months. Maybe it’ll be a dud or maybe it’ll build on the already outstanding TSR series. That, and I could have purchased the same head/shaft combo when Titleist comes to my driving range next week for $200+ less. But, I had the gift card…In the end, I feel whole but I also think less of CC. Preeway and cnosil 2 Quote Lefty 3-6 HDCP PXG Gen 5 Driver and 3W - Diamana white board 60S PXG Gen 4 19* and 22* hybrids - Aldila NV green 80S Cobra Forged Tech 6-GW - KBS Tour Light S flex Sub 70 56* and 60* wedges -KBS Tour S flex SeeMore PLATINUM M5 HT MALLET OFFSET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 21 minutes ago, JAFERD said: Great insight. I think the experience disappointed me because I buy new equipment every 3-5 years so it would have been nice to know that Titleist was releasing a new driver in 3 months. Maybe it’ll be a dud or maybe it’ll build on the already outstanding TSR series. That, and I could have purchased the same head/shaft combo when Titleist comes to my driving range next week for $200+ less. But, I had the gift card…In the end, I feel whole but I also think less of CC. ... Reviewing clubs for over 30 years I very rarely ran across a driver (or any club) that is demonstrably better than the previous year. Sometimes a new technology makes a leap but even then it isn't a huge leap. So 95% of their time this years driver will be similar in performance to last years driver. Even if it is 2.1 yds longer most of us would never be able to tell a difference. It is when you have 5 years of 2 yd gains that you can find another 10 yds over what you are playing. If you like the look, sound and feel of the TSR you most likely won't feel like you miss anything with the next version. And as others have said, you gained 20yds with a shaft that seems perfect for your swing and most of us would pay handsomely for that! Haile, bens197, Preeway and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 5/19/2024 at 8:01 PM, JAFERD said: Great insight. I think the experience disappointed me because I buy new equipment every 3-5 years so it would have been nice to know that Titleist was releasing a new driver in 3 months. Maybe it’ll be a dud or maybe it’ll build on the already outstanding TSR series. That, and I could have purchased the same head/shaft combo when Titleist comes to my driving range next week for $200+ less. But, I had the gift card…In the end, I feel whole but I also think less of CC. I still think you can go back to CC and tell them you'd like a price adjustment as they sold you something for $1050 that was available from Titleist for $800, worst they can say is no, but my guess is they will match the price to keep your business going forward. On 5/19/2024 at 8:31 PM, chisag said: ... Reviewing clubs for over 30 years I very rarely ran across a driver (or any club) that is demonstrably better than the previous year. Sometimes a new technology makes a leap but even then it isn't a huge leap. So 95% of their time this years driver will be similar in performance to last years driver. Even if it is 2.1 yds longer most of us would never be able to tell a difference. It is when you have 5 years of 2 yd gains that you can find another 10 yds over what you are playing. If you like the look, sound and feel of the TSR you most likely won't feel like you miss anything with the next version. And as others have said, you gained 20yds with a shaft that seems perfect for your swing and most of us would pay handsomely for that! The other part of this is the shaft will still be perfectly good when the next titleist driver or the one after that comes out. He could also swap adapters if he wants to play this shaft in his next head so this isn't a total loss even if he does decide the next driver is a major improvement (although I agree that is highly unlikely). chisag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 10 hours ago, ChitownM2 said: I still think you can go back to CC and tell them you'd like a price adjustment as they sold you something for $1050 that was available from Titleist for $800, worst they can say is no, but my guess is they will match the price to keep your business going forward. Pretty sure that CC doesn’t do price matching. CC has two businesses. Their fitting business and their club building business which is fed to them thru their fitting business. You pay the price that CC charges for the club and their build process. They are normally more expensive than ordering from an oem or retailed because they are charging you for the time to build the club and the cost of club. If they were in the price matching business they would just be better off charging the same price as everywhere else because everyone would price match what they get. That defeats the purpose of being a premium club building service. It’s no different than ordering from TXG before they were bought by CC or for those of use who order thru club builders like will peoples. If I want a tm head with a ventus velocore shaft from Will I am paying the $350 for the shaft rather than the $250 upcharge from TM. That’s the nature of the business. It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when. Titleist has been on a 2 year release cycle for ever with the even year being driver and odd year irons. It’s not a surprise Titleist will be having a new driver out late summer or fall. Its also not news that they will probably tour seed it as the U.S. Open 10 hours ago, ChitownM2 said: The other part of this is the shaft will still be perfectly good when the next titleist driver or the one after that comes out. He could also swap adapters if he wants to play this shaft in his next head so this isn't a total loss even if he does decide the next driver is a major improvement (although I agree that is highly unlikely This may or may not be true. Not all shafts work with all heads including new releases from the same brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Pretty sure that CC doesn’t do price matching. CC has two businesses. Their fitting business and their club building business which is fed to them thru their fitting business. You pay the price that CC charges for the club and their build process. They are normally more expensive than ordering from an oem or retailed because they are charging you for the time to build the club and the cost of club. If they were in the price matching business they would just be better off charging the same price as everywhere else because everyone would price match what they get. That defeats the purpose of being a premium club building service. It’s no different than ordering from TXG before they were bought by CC or for those of use who order thru club builders like will peoples. If I want a tm head with a ventus velocore shaft from Will I am paying the $350 for the shaft rather than the $250 upcharge from TM. That’s the nature of the business. It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when. Titleist has been on a 2 year release cycle for ever with the even year being driver and odd year irons. It’s not a surprise Titleist will be having a new driver out late summer or fall. Its also not news that they will probably tour seed it as the U.S. Open This may or may not be true. Not all shafts work with all heads including new releases from the same brand. Definitely no guarantee they will price match, but I've heard of them doing it before. At the very least they should come down to at least MSRP on the club/shaft combo which is only $800. There is no possible way in justifying a $250 build fee even with puring. As for the shaft working with the next club, of course there are no guarantees but if it was the best shaft he hit with every head he tried across all the manufacturers he tried, there is a good chance that the shaft just works for his swing and will be a good fit with whatever his next driver is. Dead Solid Bogey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFERD Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 9 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Pretty sure that CC doesn’t do price matching. CC has two businesses. Their fitting business and their club building business which is fed to them thru their fitting business. You pay the price that CC charges for the club and their build process. They are normally more expensive than ordering from an oem or retailed because they are charging you for the time to build the club and the cost of club. If they were in the price matching business they would just be better off charging the same price as everywhere else because everyone would price match what they get. That defeats the purpose of being a premium club building service. It’s no different than ordering from TXG before they were bought by CC or for those of use who order thru club builders like will peoples. If I want a tm head with a ventus velocore shaft from Will I am paying the $350 for the shaft rather than the $250 upcharge from TM. That’s the nature of the business. It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when. Titleist has been on a 2 year release cycle for ever with the even year being driver and odd year irons. It’s not a surprise Titleist will be having a new driver out late summer or fall. Its also not news that they will probably tour seed it as the U.S. Open This may or may not be true. Not all shafts work with all heads including new releases from the same brand. “It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when.” I couldn’t disagree more. One of the most important aspects of sales is customer education. In fact, educating and informing in good faith is a great way to earn more business. In my case, the fitter might have earned more business if he’d said, “You know it might not matter to you but Titleist should be releasing a new model in 2-3 months.” chisag and Dead Solid Bogey 2 Quote Lefty 3-6 HDCP PXG Gen 5 Driver and 3W - Diamana white board 60S PXG Gen 4 19* and 22* hybrids - Aldila NV green 80S Cobra Forged Tech 6-GW - KBS Tour Light S flex Sub 70 56* and 60* wedges -KBS Tour S flex SeeMore PLATINUM M5 HT MALLET OFFSET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: Definitely no guarantee they will price match, but I've heard of them doing it before. At the very least they should come down to at least MSRP on the club/shaft combo which is only $800. There is no possible way in justifying a $250 build fee even with puring. That is up to the consumer to determine if the cost of puring is worth it. One can turn down that service if they choose. If they came down to msrp as stated earlier it defeats the purpose of being a premium club builder and the services they offer. When paying for a club building service you are expecting to get exact build specs rather than then manufacturer tolerances for the build. That extra care takes time and costs money. 16 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: As for the shaft working with the next club, of course there are no guarantees but if it was the best shaft he hit with every head he tried across all the manufacturers he tried, there is a good chance that the shaft just works for his swing and will be a good fit with whatever his next driver is. And the drivers that are coming out next release have been in design phase for about 5 years and are also will be moving towards dealing with the new ball specs. So the next Titleist driver release after this year will be 1 year before the new specs are the standard for conforming balls. The release after that will be between the dates for pros using the new ball and the amateurs. Edited May 21 by RickyBobby_PR JAFERD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 15 minutes ago, JAFERD said: “It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when.” I couldn’t disagree more. One of the most important aspects of sales is customer education. In fact, educating and informing in good faith is a great way to earn more business. In my case, the fitter might have earned more business if he’d said, “You know it might not matter to you but Titleist should be releasing a new model in 2-3 months.” Sales job is to sell you a product. It’s on the consumer to educate themselves on business practices for whatever company they are using for whatever service. Just as it’s the on the consumer to educate themselves on the product they are buying. When the consumer isn’t educated it’s when they make decisions they later regret. It’s one of the reasons that there are shady sales people or why people get taken advantage of. They don’t do their research and then get talked into buying things or paying for things they don’t need. A good salesman might offer some knowledge but at the end of the day their job is get a sale. The good ones will find a solution to ones problem but it’s not their job to educate the consumer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, JAFERD said: “It’s on the consumer to be educated on business practices, what companies are doing releases and when.” I couldn’t disagree more. One of the most important aspects of sales is customer education. In fact, educating and informing in good faith is a great way to earn more business. In my case, the fitter might have earned more business if he’d said, “You know it might not matter to you but Titleist should be releasing a new model in 2-3 months.” ... 99.9% would agree with you. As Doug @funkyjudge an excellent club fitter for many years and I stated earlier, many players have no idea what shaft they are currently playing let alone what shaft they want. They depend on the expertise of those knowledgeable in the field and if a salesman only job is to get a sale, they are the problem. Obviously the better informed a consumer is, the better the experience so that is always a bonus. But with our busy lives and interests, family responsibilities, work and perhaps other hobbies some are completely ignorant when it comes to equipment. But torque, bend point, weight, construction and how many are familiar with Velocore, M40X, MR70-reinforced tip, Torayca T1100G, Integrated Impact Stabilization Zone, Dual Torsional Design and KHT or Korean Hidden Technology that is well ... hidden? ... Like you and most every other forum member, I believe this is or should be part of the service. Educating and taking care of customers that come to you and trust you have their best interest at heart. Kinda like a *Fiduciary Club Builder* unlike someone that thinks it is perfectly OK to take advantage of uneducated consumers if they can make a sale. *A fiduciary is someone who manages golf clubs for someone else. When you're named a fiduciary and accept the role, you must – by law – manage the person's equipment fittings for their benefit, not yours. Edited May 21 by chisag Dead Solid Bogey, funkyjudge and JAFERD 1 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 A good fitter isn’t a salesman. A good fitter is there to get the golfer into a setup that works for them, yes explain things as far was why changes are being made, what the expectation would be from the change and so on. Then present all the data and info to the customer, include letting the customer of if what they currently have is the best for. Its on the customer to decide based on that information if they want to buy. When a person goes somewhere to get fit and possibly by clubs it’s on the person to understand the business practice of the company/fitter so that they can give their expectations, budget, etc. they should know if the business upsells or not. That’s the issue with CC is their fitters are both sales people and fitters. Also why I wouldn’t give them my money or even do a free fitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCSnyper Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/21/2024 at 7:16 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: A good fitter isn’t a salesman. A good fitter is there to get the golfer into a setup that works for them, yes explain things as far was why changes are being made, what the expectation would be from the change and so on. Then present all the data and info to the customer, include letting the customer of if what they currently have is the best for. Its on the customer to decide based on that information if they want to buy. When a person goes somewhere to get fit and possibly by clubs it’s on the person to understand the business practice of the company/fitter so that they can give their expectations, budget, etc. they should know if the business upsells or not. That’s the issue with CC is their fitters are both sales people and fitters. Also why I wouldn’t give them my money or even do a free fitting Completely agree. If the fitting is that good, the equipment sells itself. IMO Quote USMC Veteran and Weekend Golfer Callaway Rogue ST Max 10.5, down to 9.5. VA Composites Baddazz 60S Cobra LTDX 3 and 5 woods (im10 60g R) Titleist T300; C Taper Lite 105R Cleveland Zipcore 54 and 58 Scotty Newport Special Select 2 33 inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 21 minutes ago, USMCSnyper said: Completely agree. If the fitting is that good, the equipment sells itself. IMO Agree. I’m not going to a fitter to be sold a club. I’m going to find out what the best club for me is even if that is my current club. Now if I’m going to buy a specific club because I want something new then the fitter is there to find me the best combo for that specific club. I can see via ball flight and/or numbers what the club is doing. If I don’t like the results then I don’t buy USMCSnyper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctg44 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 One thing you do get with having purchased a premium club from CC is access to their Trackman bays (I got 3 of them) and any loft / lie adjustments my irons needed. Where that may come in handy would be if you go back in and decide your driver needs the adapter turned slightly to be optimized. Preeway 1 Quote Titleist GT2 8° - 13-gram (+4-gram) rear weight - with Graphite Design Tour AD-VF 6S Stiff (-1/2)" Shaft - Set to B1 Callaway AiSmoke Triple Diamond - 15° 3-wood - Tensei AV Raw 80 Gram X Stiff shaft - Set to N/S Taylormade P-UDI 2 iron (2023) with Recoil Dart F5 shaft (+1/2") TaylorMade P7MC (2020) with DG TI X100 Shafts (+1/2") 4-PW Edison 51° (bent to 50°) / 55° / 59° (bent to 60°) wedges with DG TI Onyx Black X100 Shafts at +1/2" Golf Pride ZGRIP Plus2 on all clubs Sik DW (2.0) C Series Putter in black finish (35") with Ping PP58 Cord (69° lie / 3° loft) Balls: Maxfli Tour or ProV1x Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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