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Okay I'm ready to ask a stupid question because it's the only way I'm going to learn.

 

Can someone please translate the Mizuno MP line for me going back to the days when they started the numbering system.

 

Another words the MP 53's are player's muscle backs, the MP 68's are blades or whatever. I'd love to know what the MP 32 is vs. the MP 53 and to be able to have an intelligent converstation about it.

 

Thanks in advance.

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The 53s are a pocket cavity back

59s are a "modern CB" type design

64s are a players pure CB

69s are a blade

 

Subtract one from each and its the same thing just a generation older.

It seems the higher the number the more playersish the iron is compared to its generation (68s are more than 69s, but they are a generation old).

 

Not too familiar with the older ones. Really if ya google an image of it you can see what it is.

 

I hope this is the question you were trying to ask.

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The 53s are a pocket cavity back

59s are a "modern CB" type design

64s are a players pure CB

69s are a blade

 

Subtract one from each and its the same thing just a generation older.

It seems the higher the number the more playersish the iron is compared to its generation (68s are more than 69s, but they are a generation old).

 

Not too familiar with the older ones. Really if ya google an image of it you can see what it is.

 

I hope this is the question you were trying to ask.

 

It's spot on exactly what I'm asking and also for the lower numbering system as well - sometimes pictures don't do justice and I suspect that there are some here who can fill in the blanks for us.

 

Thanks for the great start.

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Just after some basic googling they appear to be all over the place in the older numbers. Tonight I can go through and post what each one would be considered.

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Just after some basic googling they appear to be all over the place in the older numbers. Tonight I can go through and post what each one would be considered.

 

I'd really appreciate that. I'm a pretty good player but like many golfers very ignorant about the equipment that I use - I'm getting better informed thanks in large part to this site. I want to keep learning and growing in regards to information - one way to do that is to be conversant with what's gone before.

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This is slightly harder to follow than Genesis Chapter 5 but I will try to explain my understanding of what irons begot what.

 

 

In the beginning, well, before 2000 there was the MP9. It begot the MP 14 and the MP29. These were both blades but with differing soles and offsets. Some people say one is great and the other is horrid. But they were similar in design.

 

Around 2002, the MP14 was given newer lofts and sole grinds and became the MP33. A cavity back version was introduced in '03 and it became the MP30. And in ‘04 the 29 was updated and became the MP37. Sparking the debate about which was better the 33 or 37. The main difference remained the offset.

 

In '06, Mizuno developed the Cut Muscle and spawned the MP32 a cut muscle blade and the MP60, a cavity back with a cut muscle. So the 30 became the 60, the 37 became the 32 and the 33 stayed the 33.

 

In '08, the 33 and 32 were combined to make the MP67. (33+32=67?) and the 60 became the MP57. (I guess they needed 3 from somewhere so they added it to get the 67.) Also an oversized version of the 60 was created with a hollow design creating the MP FLI HI.

 

In '09, we see perhaps the reason for this madness because they altered the 67 and gave it a “Dual Muscle” and called it the MP62 and the enlarged the cavity on the 57 and created the MP52 “pocket cavity”. So they had the MP67, MP62, MP57, MP52, and the MP FLI HI.

 

2010 we see an update to the MP67 creating the MP68. And the cut muscle of the 57 is replaced with a different metal accomplishing the same thing, and creates the MP58. And the same technology is added to the MP FLI HI creating the MP FLI HI DLR.

 

In '12, the complete line is changed except for the Fli Hi and we have the 68 becoming the MP69. The 58 becomes the MP59 with smoother curves, the 52 gets a triangular shaped muscles and becomes the MP53 as does the 62 becoming the MP63.

 

Now in 2013, we see the continuation of the 59 and 69. The 63 gets redesigned with more muscle becoming the MP64. And the MP53 and the MP FLI HI DLR are combined to create the H4.

 

Leaving us with the MP59, MP69, MP64 and the H4.

 

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This is slightly harder to follow than Genesis Chapter 5 but I will try to explain my understanding of what irons begot what.

 

 

In the beginning, well, before 2000 there was the MP9. It begot the MP 14 and the MP29. These were both blades but with differing soles and offsets. Some people say one is great and the other is horrid. But they were similar in design.

 

Around 2002, the MP14 was given newer lofts and sole grinds and became the MP33. A cavity back version was introduced in '03 and it became the MP30. And in ‘04 the 29 was updated and became the MP37. Sparking the debate about which was better the 33 or 37. The main difference remained the offset.

 

In '06, Mizuno developed the Cut Muscle and spawned the MP32 a cut muscle blade and the MP60, a cavity back with a cut muscle. So the 30 became the 60, the 37 became the 32 and the 33 stayed the 33.

 

In '08, the 33 and 32 were combined to make the MP67. (33+32=67?) and the 60 became the MP57. (I guess they needed 3 from somewhere so they added it to get the 67.) Also an oversized version of the 60 was created with a hollow design creating the FLI HI.

 

In '09, we see perhaps the reason for this madness because they altered the 67 and gave it a “Dual Muscle” and called it the MP62 and the enlarged the cavity on the 57 and created the MP52 “pocket cavity”. So they had the MP67, MP62, MP57, MP52, and the MP FLI HI.

 

2010 we see an update to the MP67 creating the MP68. And the cut muscle of the 57 is replaced with a different metal accomplishing the same thing, and creates the MP58. And the same technology is added to the MP FLI HI creating the MP FLI HI DLR.

 

In '12, the complete line is changed except for the Fli Hi and we have the 68 becoming the MP69. The 58 becomes the MP59 with smoother curves, the 52 gets a triangular shaped muscles and becomes the MP53 as does the 62 becoming the MP63.

 

Now in 2013, we see the continuation of the 59 and 69. The 63 gets redesigned with more muscle becoming the MP64. And the MP53 and the MP FLI HI DLR are combined to create the H4.

 

 

 

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The numbering logic makes perfect sense now... :wacko:

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As you can see it is easy to see that the MP 69 can be traced back directly to the MP9 but so can the H4. While one is basically the seventh version of the same thing, the other is the seventh evolution of that iron.

 

I may have missed some irons. I had to look each up individually to see. I do not care enough about the MX to JPX like to trace that linage. It is probably much more involved.

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My head is spinning. Or is it my computer screen? I'm too dizzy to know! :lol:

 

All's I know is my "new love" is the MP 59. Haven't hit them to know if I get along with them. But they have to be the best looking player's cavity I've laid eyes on.

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Thanks RR - I'm not concerned about the JPX thing because that's not where the buzz is with Mizunon anyway.

 

I do think that there are some other numbers - hopefully Ice will come through and fill in those gaps.

 

It's actually Genesis 6 that presents the most difficulties - perhaps in the entire Bible. ;)

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It's actually Genesis 6 that presents the most difficulties - perhaps in the entire Bible. ;)

 

Perhaps it is because I have never been able to get past, Chapter 5 I did not know that.

 

Any particular number?

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I know there are a few more numbers than that. I'll dig around tonight when I have time to.

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I should say that I didn't give my narrative because that's what I thought was right - it's how I was hoping these would be described -

 

So far the descripitons have been just that - very helpful and very informative.

 

Thanks to all.

 

 

It's the first four or five verses of 6 RR - lots of confusion there particularly with the complexities of the Hebrew language. Very understandable why anyone would have trouble getting out of Genesis 5 because of all the names.

 

I'm starting to get a handle on the Mizuno thing - also staring to wish I had gotten something in the 50's but I'm very happy with what I have - I think that statement is more of an ego thing than anything else. Maybe I better go and read Romans 3. :)

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I've wondered about Mizuno's numbering system before so this topic is pretty interesting but confusing at the same time. Also, while on the subject of Mizuno irons, what do you guys think about the new JPX 825 Pros?

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I've wondered about Mizuno's numbering system before so this topic is pretty interesting but confusing at the same time. Also, while on the subject of Mizuno irons, what do you guys think about the new JPX 825 Pros?

 

Nice club. With the same shaft, it actually gave me the same numbers as the 53's. Very clean, monochrome presentation. I was impressed.

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As I wrote elsewhere I do like the 825 Pros very much. In fact I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't like them so much.

 

I played the original Adams Idea Pros for a couple of seasons - couldn't really handle the shaft that came in them - Dynamic Gold Black something or other that was 130 grams so I switched to a lighter shaft and they were very nice - my kid has them now although he reshafted them again with something heavier and stiffer - I went to graphite and something more player friendly.

 

I'd say the 825 Pros are a bit easier to hit than those Adams were and I greatly prefer the shaft that I have in them - I can really control the ball flight very well and I generally play in windy conditions - when you look at a map of Florida I'm on that little nip on the west coast that's a Penninsula on the Penninsula in between Tampa Bay and the Gulf.

 

Back to the numbering thing I'm glad others have these questions - It's clear to me that Mizuno makes a great iron - you show up at a course or a range with these in the bag and hit a few decent looking shots and you've got guys coming over to you telling stories about their favorite set of Mizzies. I'm starting to get it as to why.

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Here is a visual representation for those that like that sort of thing. It's from Mizzy Europe so there might be a few numbers missing or different than the US versions, but most are accounted for. Sadly it stops at 2011 so doesn't have the current stuff.

 

Mizzy Timeline

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