Calypso55 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I recently returned from my annual golf reunion with my 'old' high school buddies. We get together every year, renting a house for the 16 of us at Lawsonia Golf Courses in Green Lake, Wisconsin. A great venue! We play three different courses over the weekend. There's a lot of pride on the line and, given the challenge of the courses, we have come to dub our time together as the "stern test." But, as usual, my game started to come apart mid-round, and suddenly I had to make a decision as to 'which' swing I was going to revert to, having learned many different swings from several different pros over the course of my 50 years of playing golf. It seems that some 'swings,' or perhaps I should say, 'swing thoughts,' work for a little while; but then, when something goes awry, it's a desperate attempt to try to save the round by switching things up mid-round. Often with disastrous results. Anyone else experience the same kind of on-course schizophrenia??? If so, how do you handle it?? Thanks! I've been a Lutheran pastor for almost 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I recently returned from my annual golf reunion with my 'old' high school buddies. We get together every year, renting a house for the 16 of us at Lawsonia Golf Courses in Green Lake, Wisconsin. A great venue! We play three different courses over the weekend. There's a lot of pride on the line and, given the challenge of the courses, we have come to dub our time together as the "stern test." But, as usual, my game started to come apart mid-round, and suddenly I had to make a decision as to 'which' swing I was going to revert to, having learned many different swings from several different pros over the course of my 50 years of playing golf. It seems that some 'swings,' or perhaps I should say, 'swing thoughts,' work for a little while; but then, when something goes awry, it's a desperate attempt to try to save the round by switching things up mid-round. Often with disastrous results. Anyone else experience the same kind of on-course schizophrenia??? If so, how do you handle it?? Thanks! YES. And for a fairly "new" duffer to the game it usually leads to the one bad hole where NO shot works and I wind up posting a seriously ugly round-killer. This is sometimes remedied with the not-so-subtle application of "helper" medicine while waiting at the next tee box...sometimes not... In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I recently returned from my annual golf reunion with my 'old' high school buddies. We get together every year, renting a house for the 16 of us at Lawsonia Golf Courses in Green Lake, Wisconsin. A great venue! We play three different courses over the weekend. There's a lot of pride on the line and, given the challenge of the courses, we have come to dub our time together as the "stern test." But, as usual, my game started to come apart mid-round, and suddenly I had to make a decision as to 'which' swing I was going to revert to, having learned many different swings from several different pros over the course of my 50 years of playing golf. It seems that some 'swings,' or perhaps I should say, 'swing thoughts,' work for a little while; but then, when something goes awry, it's a desperate attempt to try to save the round by switching things up mid-round. Often with disastrous results. Anyone else experience the same kind of on-course schizophrenia??? If so, how do you handle it?? Thanks! Absolutely, I think this happens to everyone. There are ebbs and flows to the game. You can't expect every hole to be perfect. I just try to keep doing the same thing and it does come back. You just have to hold on and grind it out during the tough points in the round. You can't play perfect golf for 18 holes. I think it is best to pick a swing, any swing and not change it, just try to work in consistency with it. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Brittan Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I'm not sure this is the right forum for this topic, but... Take any advice I have to give with a pinch of salt, I've only been playing for approaching 2 years, but I've taken the same approach to golf as I have to every other sport. * Embed good muscle memory... * Don't have "swing thoughts", only practice swing thoughts. * If you're not comfortable over the ball, step away. If you need to correct something, do it away from the ball, get the "feel" right on some gentle practice swings, then step over the ball, take a good posture focusing only on that and where you want the ball to end up, then swing freely with the muscle memory of the passive swings, not trying to change this shot mid-swing. If nothing is working, especially with the way UK weather has been recently, just play at 80% and adjust club choices, you'll make clean contact and you can let everything land short to roll into the green. Put less pressure on yourself and don't try to correct the last shot. If you're not consistently hitting the same miss, don't try to correct the last one as it was a mis-swing, not an incorrect swing, work on swing consistency first. Self taught golfer trying hard to improve his game. Started playing early summer 2016. Instagram @makingscratch : https://www.instagram.com/makingscratch/ Twitter @makingscratchUK : https://twitter.com/makingscratchukWITB: Driver : Ping G400 - Tour65 Stiff 44" Fairway : Taylormade Burner 2.0 15deg - Reax-R Hybrid : Taylormade M2 22deg - Flex-R Irons : 4-6 Srixon Z765, 7-PW Srixon Z965 - Nippon Modus 105 S Wedges 52deg Cleveland CG15 56deg Vokey SM5 F-Grind - Nippon ProModus 130 TX 60deg Miura K-Grind - TT DG Spinner Putter : Evnroll ER2 Ball : Vice Pro Plus Proud owner of a slowly approaching complete archive of Titleist's blades circa 2000-2014 and a Wilson FatShaft CI10 blade putter in perfect condition (seriously, try Googling it and look at the state of the few that show up) which I bought when at college and just happens to look like it's stamped with my daughter's name, born 14 years after I bought it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeMore Putts Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I typically don't have mid-round schizophrenia, but I always seem to have rounds that I'd label as Multiple Personality. For example, my last two rounds. Front scores: 49, 52. Corresponding back scores: 40, 45. Going for an on-course lesson later this week to figure out why. Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app Driver - Big Bertha Alpha 3W - XHot Pro 3 Hybrid - Rescue 11 4-PW - Maltby DBM Forged 52 - SM4 56 - RTX-3 60 - Scratch SS Putter - FGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I recently returned from my annual golf reunion with my 'old' high school buddies. We get together every year, renting a house for the 16 of us at Lawsonia Golf Courses in Green Lake, Wisconsin. A great venue! We play three different courses over the weekend. There's a lot of pride on the line and, given the challenge of the courses, we have come to dub our time together as the "stern test." But, as usual, my game started to come apart mid-round, and suddenly I had to make a decision as to 'which' swing I was going to revert to, having learned many different swings from several different pros over the course of my 50 years of playing golf. It seems that some 'swings,' or perhaps I should say, 'swing thoughts,' work for a little while; but then, when something goes awry, it's a desperate attempt to try to save the round by switching things up mid-round. Often with disastrous results. Anyone else experience the same kind of on-course schizophrenia??? If so, how do you handle it?? Thanks! More beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwieland Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Just my two cents: A great friend of mine (3 handicap on a bad day) taught me something very well learned but often forgotten. He told me to take three tees from my right pocket and put them in my left... oops, wrong movie! Actually the lesson was this.. remember GAP: Grip, Alignment, Posture then take two deep breaths and have fun. Always centers me back to reality and just having fun. You definitely are not going to pull a swing out that you have not used for 5 years and actually think it's going to work, do you? Use your muscle memory of the swing you have been using... I start to slice... GAP. I start to pull, GAP.... it works to put my mind at a good place. In my bag Drivers: Grenade II, Standard flex! FW Woods: Cobra Fly-Z set 14.5* w/VLCT-Sp Stiff graphite shaft Irons: Taylor Made Speed Blades tweeked 1* w/graphite Matrix 55 gram M shafts Wedges: Taylor Made Speed Blade P & A w/Matrix 55 gram M shaft, 56* SCOR V sole w/Genius 9 graphite shaft, Cleveland 60* w/steel Stiff shaft.Putter: SeeMore X2 custom Balls: Snell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charli Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Slow and smooth usually helps me when things go wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Punch shots. If I go off the rails, I gear down and just hit punch shots. Just to get the feel of hitting a solid shot. They go almost as far as a regular shot and tend to fly fairly straight. Shorter, more controlled swing, easier to pull off. When I have problems, it tends to be from taking the club back too far or too far inside. Hitting punch shots solves both of those problems. What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Punch shots. If I go off the rails, I gear down and just hit punch shots. Just to get the feel of hitting a solid shot. They go almost as far as a regular shot and tend to fly fairly straight. Shorter, more controlled swing, easier to pull off. When I have problems, it tends to be from taking the club back too far or too far inside. Hitting punch shots solves both of those problems. ^ this. I was going to say, I do 2 things. 1) I will stiffen my arms and wrists, short backswing and just focus on delivering the club face to the ball. 2) set ball back a pinch, more shaft lean, and my thought is I want to crush the ball down and bury it into the ground, while swinging easy, of course. 2b) with woods, I use same swing without all the shaft lean and just concentrate on putting the club on the ball and sending it forward. The biggest problem I have with this though, is knowing when to rip off the bandaid. I had a bad couple rounds, fell back to my "go to shot", and didn't break back out of it for nearly a year. Over time the go to punch or stiff shots stopped being effective also. And if i'm not playing alone... I try to keep my head down for as long as I can. Someone else can watch its ball flight . RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf. S Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just my two cents: A great friend of mine (3 handicap on a bad day) taught me something very well learned but often forgotten. He told me to take three tees from my right pocket and put them in my left... oops, wrong movie! Actually the lesson was this.. remember GAP: Grip, Alignment, Posture then take two deep breaths and have fun. Always centers me back to reality and just having fun. You definitely are not going to pull a swing out that you have not used for 5 years and actually think it's going to work, do you? Use your muscle memory of the swing you have been using... I start to slice... GAP. I start to pull, GAP.... it works to put my mind at a good place. This is great simple advice. I usually find that around the 14th I start to tire physically and mentally. This usually results in my grip getting tighter and my swing gets shorter and quicker. A golf Sage once told me my swing should be like the word Tempo. Backswing is "Tem" downswing "Po". So this is what I always fall back on. WIMB Driver Callaway Epic 10.5' Fujikura Stiff 3W Callaway Epic 15' Fujikura Stiff 3-AW Srixon Z565 Nippon Stiff 52', 56' Cleveland RTX 585 Wedges Putter Taylormade Rosa Daytona Bags 2017 Callaway Org14 Cart bag or 2018 Srixon Z start Carry bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 That's what I usually resort to when golf schizophrenia strikes - for me it can strike early, middle or late. I can't manage more than 1-2 swing thoughts, 0 is best. And while at agree with those who say don't monkey with your swing while playing, sometimes you have to. A few weeks ago I blocked my drive way right on five straight holes, had to change something. It was change something, or throw a couple sleeves of new balls in the trees and go home... I was playing terribbly today like +10 thru 12. I was really in my head thinking too much and "fixing" my swing and had maybe 3-4 swing thoughts. I then told myself to stop thinking about it. I had zero swing thoughts and just went back to a natural not technical swing. I played the last 6 in even once I stopped thinking about it. I think staying out of your head is good for your game. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I was playing terribbly today like +10 thru 12. I was really in my head thinking too much and "fixing" my swing and had maybe 3-4 swing thoughts. I then told myself to stop thinking about it. I had zero swing thoughts and just went back to a natural not technical swing. I played the last 6 in even once I stopped thinking about it. I think staying out of your head is good for your game. +10 thru 12 is a decent round for me!!! +10 for 18 only ever happened once! RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Good thread I played today with a 'new' swing thought and move. Worked for the first tee shot, then I was changing swings and swing thoughts pretty much all the way round- it was probably the worst round of golf I've had in years....searching for the elusive "That's it" moment which never came. I like Skwielands friends advice of GAP (Grip Alignment and posture) the fundamentals, not unlike what John Jacobs used to preach when you have a swing disintegration, back to basics he would say and concentrate on GAP...then "two turns and a swish". Now I'm looking forward to hitting the range tomorrow and just using muscle memory from decades of playing this beautiful game. Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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