PMookie Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 My VIDEO REVIEW is up!!!! gavinski91 and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 My final review is now live: Spoiler alert: by my calculations the EXPUTT has shaved 2.46 strokes from my score! cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Thanks to MGS for giving me the opportunity to test this training aid. If you want to know what I think about the product, take a look at my final review: cksurfdude and gavinski91 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Played 9 holes yesterday with my brother and a couple of his friends. I was struggling with my ball-striking, which is normally pretty good, and wasn't getting anywhere close to the pin when I did manage to hit the green. Still managed to walk away with a 2-putt on every hole. I especially notice the difference from inside 4 feet - I can step up to a 3 foot putt now and it feels like a tap-in, whereas previously I was always nervous that I would miss. cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 ^^ Nice!! Played 9 this afternoon and while overall my distance control is really improved - and I'm also more confident over all my putts - plenty of aalllmooost first putts and short easy seconds ... I blew it on holes #1 and #9 where the speed changed (#1 from the practice green) to much slooower... So I left the first one way short on a very sloped sidehill both times..... So I take back my previous no more three putts brag Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: ^^ Nice!! Played 9 this afternoon and while overall my distance control is really improved - and I'm also more confident over all my putts - plenty of aalllmooost first putts and short easy seconds ... I blew it on holes #1 and #9 where the speed changed (#1 from the practice green) to much slooower... So I left the first one way short on a very sloped sidehill both times..... So I take back my previous no more three putts brag Yeah, the changes I've made to my putting stroke definitely rely on the practice green being a similar speed to the actual greens. If they're much different you're kinda screwed. cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, gavinski91 said: Yeah, the changes I've made to my putting stroke definitely rely on the practice green being a similar speed to the actual greens. If they're much different you're kinda screwed. But this is true anywhere and can even happen on the course during a round. Start early and greens can be damp and later in the round after the sun comes out a breeze can dry out greens and make them faster. cksurfdude and gavinski91 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, cnosil said: But this is true anywhere and can even happen on the course during a round. Start early and greens can be damp and later in the round after the sun comes out a breeze can dry out greens and make them faster. That's true, but often those are changes you can expect or identify. For example, if the practice green is in full sun and the green on the first hole is in the shade, I can expect it to be slower. I was mainly referring to some municipal courses I've played where they put almost no effort into maintaining the practice green, so it's not at all similar to the on-course greens. cksurfdude and cnosil 2 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Here’s a link to my final review of the Exputt. I did a video instead of typing. Hope y’all like it! cnosil, MattF, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I mentioned this in my final review but wanted to point it out separately. The more I have used the ExPutt the more feel based my putts are becoming. I look at the distance on the screen and now just make the stroke that feels right. I am now moving away from moving the putter a specific distance as the feel of a putt becomes more ingrained. When playing I walk off the putts distances and make the appropriate stroke. I have baselines myself on green speed of 10. When moving to faster or slower greens I will be translating the required distance to the right feel. gavinski91 and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: I mentioned this in my final review but wanted to point it out separately. The more I have used the ExPutt the more feel based my putts are becoming. I look at the distance on the screen and now just make the stroke that feels right. I am now moving away from moving the putter a specific distance as the feel of a putt becomes more ingrained. When playing I walk off the putts distances and make the appropriate stroke. I have baselines myself on green speed of 10. When moving to faster or slower greens I will be translating the required distance to the right feel. Glad you mentioned all that - in a funny coincidence, I was going to post something similar... Practicing with the ExPutt has helped me correlate stroke lengths with putt distances .. a thing I could not easily work on before (at least not for anything over 8ft! - the length of my putting mat) .. and have started doing the same method of pacing off everything that looks longer than 10 feet and rehearsing the appropriate length stroke. The results are definitely showing the last several rounds - more first putts, from any distance, are finishing closer to the hole leaving more "easy" second putts; and so the incidence of 3-putts is dropping .. from an average of 1.4 per 9 holes (before ExPutt) to an average of 1.125 over the last 8 x 9-hole rounds. cnosil and golfingbrock 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Inspired by John Rahm, I was practicing my 50-footers last night: cksurfdude, artful_golfer and cnosil 3 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 An FYI update, re: Practice Summary Screen ... Here's a good example of one of the things that bothered me in Practice mode - after you're done rolling putts, you can exit to the main menu or click the "Menu" button on the remote to access the Practice Settings then arrow down to "Finish" and click OK to get to the Practice Summary screen..... Here I hit a total of 75 putts (that number does not show anywhere) with a lot of makes in the "0-10" range (it's actually = 5-10 feet; but the makes number does not show anywhere) and you can see moving to the right more misses / fewer makes at each longer distance category ... and a corresponding larger dispersion of misses (yeah had a string of real short misses in there...). In the accompanying text on the left of the screenshot you can see they suggest .. "Focus practicing on the weak targeted distance" .. which in this example looking at the dispersion plots appears to be the "20-30" distance, yet -- the system's calculated "Distance Deviation" for the "20-30" distance category is actually a smaller value (in absolute terms) vs the "10-20" category which has a smaller dispersion pattern. So ... what is this "Deviation" number telling us...???* *PS: as a former math geek I know the technical answer but my question is oriented towards common-sense, easy to understand, "actionable intelligence" for all golfers. TR1PTIK, artful_golfer and JohnSmalls 3 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 An FYI update, re: Practice Summary Screen ... Here's a good example of one of the things that bothered me in Practice mode - after you're done rolling putts, you can exit to the main menu or click the "Menu" button on the remote to access the Practice Settings then arrow down to "Finish" and click OK to get to the Practice Summary screen..... Here I hit a total of 75 putts (that number does not show anywhere) with a lot of makes in the "0-10" range (it's actually = 5-10 feet; but the makes number does not show anywhere) and you can see moving to the right more misses / fewer makes at each longer distance category ... and a corresponding larger dispersion of misses (yeah had a string of real short misses in there...). In the accompanying text on the left of the screenshot you can see they suggest .. "Focus practicing on the weak targeted distance" .. which in this example looking at the dispersion plots appears to be the "20-30" distance, yet -- the system's calculated "Distance Deviation" for the "20-30" distance category is actually a smaller value (in absolute terms) vs the "10-20" category which has a smaller dispersion pattern. So ... what is this "Deviation" number telling us...???* *PS: as a former math geek I know the technical answer but my question is oriented towards common-sense, easy to understand, "actionable intelligence" for all golfers. I understand what you are getting but I think you need to look at the summary of what is presented there across the numbers and graphs. The problem isn’t the data, it is the lack of an explanation/documentation on how to interpret the data. I think you have a bigger problem in the 10-20 foot range. You miss circle is approaching 6 feet in diameter with a tendency to miss short. The problem them becomes granularity; are the 3 foot misses when you approach the 20 foot range or do they happen at 10 feet also. At 20-30 feet a 6 foot miss pattern is more acceptable. While you should work on all distances based on the charts and data 10-20 foot range is where you need the most work. While I agree that if the system is providing data there should be documentation helping to explain how to use the system. Just like launch monitors, people are going to be chasing numbers such as perfect path and face angle and the expectation that they should make all their putts. artful_golfer and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Great job on the review, fellas. This was a fun one to follow! PMookie, cksurfdude, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Great job on the review, fellas. This was a fun one to follow!Thanks. Anything we didn’t cover or that needs more clarification? Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 3 hours ago, cnosil said: I understand what you are getting but I think you need to look at the summary of what is presented there across the numbers and graphs. The problem isn’t the data, it is the lack of an explanation/documentation on how to interpret the data. I think you have a bigger problem in the 10-20 foot range. You miss circle is approaching 6 feet in diameter with a tendency to miss short. The problem them becomes granularity; are the 3 foot misses when you approach the 20 foot range or do they happen at 10 feet also. At 20-30 feet a 6 foot miss pattern is more acceptable. While you should work on all distances based on the charts and data 10-20 foot range is where you need the most work. While I agree that if the system is providing data there should be documentation helping to explain how to use the system. Just like launch monitors, people are going to be chasing numbers such as perfect path and face angle and the expectation that they should make all their putts. I agree, it's like a full sim system. Without a coach to walk you through some of the numbers, it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion. I mentioned that in my review as well - it would be easy to see on the screen that your face angle is all over the place from left to right and think that you need to do a better job controlling the club face, when in reality the issue is that the ball is hitting towards the toe and the heel, deflecting the club face. So what you thought was the cause of your problems was actually a result of a different problem. And that's with a pretty easy-to-understand number that the system gives you - it gets much more confusing when you're dealing with poorly-explained putting stats. PMookie, cksurfdude, DriverBreaker and 1 other 4 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I am continuing to use the ExPutt in the evening to work on distance control. Still have some three putts but proximity to the hole has improved significantly. My struggle is long (30+ feet)downhill putts; I am hitting them past the hole which is where my 3 putts are occurring. As I indicated in my final review, I am spending time in the practice mode. I don’t do the analysis function to track progress, but monitor the end of session summary. I am seeing good results with the large percentage of my putts ending up in the 6 foot diameter circle. gavinski91, PMookie, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 8 hours ago, cnosil said: I am continuing to use the ExPutt in the evening to work on distance control. Still have some three putts but proximity to the hole has improved significantly. My struggle is long (30+ feet)downhill putts; I am hitting them past the hole which is where my 3 putts are occurring. As I indicated in my final review, I am spending time in the practice mode. I don’t do the analysis function to track progress, but monitor the end of session summary. I am seeing good results with the large percentage of my putts ending up in the 6 foot diameter circle. That was a thought I had with the system - It would be nice to be able to simulate downhill and uphill puts in practice mode. Perhaps someone better at physics than me can help out here, but I haven't been able to calculate an easy approximation for the effect of slope on necessary putt velocity to hit a target distance. For example, it would be very easy if I knew that an inch/foot of elevation change on a putt required 30% more/less ball velocity. Then if I was looking at a 30-foot putt where the hole was about 12" below the ball and the greens were running at a 9, I could take my normal ball speed for a putt of that length (8 mph) and subtract 10%, and know that a 7.2 mph putt will get me close. I have yet to work out any equations because it's been years since I did anything like this while considering friction, but I suspect that it wouldn't be a linear relationship, which would likely preclude me from coming up with a simple system that I could estimate while reading a putt. cksurfdude and PMookie 2 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, gavinski91 said: It would be nice to be able to simulate downhill and uphill puts in practice mode. That was one of my comments, too - in Practice mode it would be nice to be able to "tilt" the practice green in +/-1° increments left, right, up, down to work on those .. especially sidehill breakers for me! Maybe they'll look at our suggestions and add some new features into future versions..? edingc and PMookie 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, gavinski91 said: Perhaps someone better at physics than me can help out here, but I haven't been able to calculate an easy approximation for the effect of slope on necessary putt velocity to hit a target distance. Have you looked at AimPoint Express? Might be something you could be interested in... gavinski91 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 5:26 PM, gavinski91 said: That was a thought I had with the system - It would be nice to be able to simulate downhill and uphill puts in practice mode. Perhaps someone better at physics than me can help out here, but I haven't been able to calculate an easy approximation for the effect of slope on necessary putt velocity to hit a target distance. For example, it would be very easy if I knew that an inch/foot of elevation change on a putt required 30% more/less ball velocity. Then if I was looking at a 30-foot putt where the hole was about 12" below the ball and the greens were running at a 9, I could take my normal ball speed for a putt of that length (8 mph) and subtract 10%, and know that a 7.2 mph putt will get me close. I have yet to work out any equations because it's been years since I did anything like this while considering friction, but I suspect that it wouldn't be a linear relationship, which would likely preclude me from coming up with a simple system that I could estimate while reading a putt. I think you could approximate it as close to linear. It wouldn't be perfect, but better than guessing. On some George Gankas course management/playing lesson Youtube vids he asks his students to estimate the approximate number of feet up or downhill to the hole. If I remember correctly, he simply added or subtracted that elevation distance to the total length of putt which is even simpler than a linear relationship you describe. AimPoint now has a "Speed" module which incorporates elevation change on putts in addition to left or right breaks which could be of interest to you. cksurfdude, gavinski91, PMookie and 1 other 4 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 That was a thought I had with the system - It would be nice to be able to simulate downhill and uphill puts in practice mode. Perhaps someone better at physics than me can help out here, but I haven't been able to calculate an easy approximation for the effect of slope on necessary putt velocity to hit a target distance. For example, it would be very easy if I knew that an inch/foot of elevation change on a putt required 30% more/less ball velocity. Then if I was looking at a 30-foot putt where the hole was about 12" below the ball and the greens were running at a 9, I could take my normal ball speed for a putt of that length (8 mph) and subtract 10%, and know that a 7.2 mph putt will get me close. I have yet to work out any equations because it's been years since I did anything like this while considering friction, but I suspect that it wouldn't be a linear relationship, which would likely preclude me from coming up with a simple system that I could estimate while reading a putt.Remembered that my putting instructor told me a method to determine the distance. His strategy was to measure the length of the slope and add/subtract that to the total distance. PMookie 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I had been looking around at different indoor putting mats for this winter, took another look at this review, and pulled the trigger. I don't mind mats, but the BirdieBall remnant I used last fall was so much quicker than the actual courses I play. Looking forward to playing with this! cksurfdude, gavinski91 and cnosil 2 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, edingc said: I had been looking around at different indoor putting mats for this winter, took another look at this review, and pulled the trigger. I don't mind mats, but the BirdieBall remnant I used last fall was so much quicker than the actual courses I play. Looking forward to playing with this! Nice, I think you'll love it! Let us know if you have any questions. edingc and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I had been looking around at different indoor putting mats for this winter, took another look at this review, and pulled the trigger. I don't mind mats, but the BirdieBall remnant I used last fall was so much quicker than the actual courses I play. Looking forward to playing with this!I still think it is a great tool and I use it regularly. I think you will like what it does. edingc and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, edingc said: I had been looking around at different indoor putting mats for this winter, took another look at this review, and pulled the trigger. I don't mind mats, but the BirdieBall remnant I used last fall was so much quicker than the actual courses I play. Looking forward to playing with this! Niiccce .. congrats!! I think you'll find it's $$ well spent, plus the setting to change green speed is a great feature (fyi.. I think mentioned in one of my review stages, but I found "9" to be alike to some of my local munis and "10" more alike to a faster country club green ... but, obviously, experiment and see what works for you!) edingc 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: Niiccce .. congrats!! I think you'll find it's $$ well spent, plus the setting to change green speed is a great feature (fyi.. I think mentioned in one of my review stages, but I found "9" to be alike to some of my local munis and "10" more alike to a faster country club green ... but, obviously, experiment and see what works for you!) Great. I'm really excited to get it. The variable speed will be hugely helpful. cksurfdude 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, edingc said: Great. I'm really excited to get it. The variable speed will be hugely helpful. It can be a little difficult to acclimatize to the different green speeds when putting with a screen, so I would suggest using the green speed/ball speed/ball distance chart in my final review - I found it to be a helpful tool when switching between green speeds. cnosil 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 As some areas of the country head into the off season, I thought I’d give this review a bump. it’s a great practice aid to keep that putting stroke grooved during the winter snd also s cool simulator to play some putting games on. gavinski91, cksurfdude, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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