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Changing the alignment plate was too easy. Two screws accessed via the longer-than-average Edel wrench is all it took.
Now for some Stack putting with the new alignment plate.
- PMookie, ejgaudette, Rob Person and 5 others
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3 hours ago, Bucky CC said:
Definitely missing more short with the F-2. Even on the putts that I have been making I've noticed that they are barely rolling.
The white hot insert typically has the speed of a foot or two of rollout past the hole. Could just be that I'm not used to the different feel of the F-2 and things will get better with more usage.I had a very similar experience. Like you I switched from an Odyssey, the White Hot OG Double Wide. I left them short for a while, but I did acclimate and distance control is improving for me. Going from an insert to milled is not a small change.
- ejgaudette, Rob Person and Bucky CC
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Used TaylorMade’s 15% discount and built myself a custom gift to self that arrives tomorrow. Ya’ll are just going to have to wait and see…
- Rob Person, Northern Monkey, cnosil and 9 others
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With few more Stack putting rounds under my belt, I continue to really enjoy the F-1. I've had a hard time consistently breaking through the 1.19 putts per hole threshold, but I suspect that will come with a little more dedicated practice time. (I've had an extremely busy couple of weeks professionally.) And interestingly enough, according to this limited sample size Stack Putting says I have a bit of a right miss bias with the 3-dot alignment plate.
The 3-dot alignment plate is what my fitting prompted, based on the notion that the 3-dot can correct for a LEFT aim bias that was identified in my fitting. However, I'm of a mind to further explore that nuance, so tomorrow I'll be changing the alignment plate to the 3-line version and testing to see how it impacts the direction bias.
Either way, I still think this is a damn good-looking putter...
- ejgaudette, cnosil, GolfSpy BOS and 4 others
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With 4 of 6 testers up and running, I'm looking forward to finding out which of the many program options they'll be jumping in to. One of the big improvements from the old app is the FFG Program Matcher, a quiz that assesses your equipment access, current fitness level, golf goals, and how much time you can dedicate to the workout to point you to the right program.
The old app (which I was a big fan of) required you to read the text descriptions of each available training program and make the best determination you could. The Program Matcher doesn't force you to choose its recommendation, but it's a really nice way to find the best training option for you.
For me, I'm in the Velocity program given the time of year and my clubhead speed goals. I'm already really looking forward to the offseason to hammer the Mass program though.
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A HUGE thanks to the very patient group of testers we have here. Mike ran into some obstacles getting the app out the door, but we now have 4 Android-using spies with the app in hand and 2 Apple users who should have it in 2 weeks time.
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3 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:
This isn't surprising to me at all, the guy who makes his money by teaching golf swing says that golf swing is more important than speed training, the guy who makes his money from speed training says the opposite. I think each one is correct at times, depending on the individual player. My personal experience, as a semi-competent and experienced swinger, my swing DID seem to become more efficient through Stack sessions, and I find I'm hitting it straighter on the course.
Tend to agree, although I would offer the Stack is far more a “side hustle” than how Sasho makes his money. He’s been a biomechanics professor and tour consultant (nicknamed “The Savant of Speed”) for far longer than he’s been selling a speed training implement.
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38 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
Most people have an inefficient swing. When you put speed training on top of that it makes the bad swing worse.
Does the person get faster, sure just like weight training, even with some bad technique one can get stronger, but it doesn’t improve their technique and it can create more inefficiency in the movement.
With the golf swing despite the added speed it doesn’t translate to the course because you have to react to the where the club it at and the brain is going to get the body to slow down to let the necessary parts catch up and you end up with no speed gains on the course.
now take that same inefficient swing and work on improving pressure shifts, rotation and using the ground and one will easily pick up 5-10mph.
Instructors get students extra speed just by improving their swing. I’ve read Monte talk about students he has going from 80mph swings with driver to 100 or more, 90 mph guys reaching over 100. Adding speed to a bad swing is a recipe to have bigger misses or no change at all for on course play
That’s not consistent with Sasho McKenzie’s findings, wherein speed training golfers often find improved technique as they learn how to more efficiently create speed in their swing.
Do you have experience in speed training yourself?
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9 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
Speed training can be a detriment to those with bad swings and those who fix their swing will gain speed through that alone. Speed training with a bad swing ends up causing more problems than it helps because it creates bad movement patterns on top of already bad movement patterns. Good to great coaches have touched on this and one of the members here was told by their coach to stop speed training because his swing regressed
Sure, there are exceptions to the general notion that most would benefit from speed training.
- Cfhandyman, Preeway, Shifty and 1 other
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57 minutes ago, Preeway said:
I agree that both articles bring up some very good points but I don't know how transferable it is to the ordinary person who isn't playing virtually every day. I think there is much more to be made about the value of lessons, followed by practice, followed by lessons again, with more practice. Seems like a lot of people don't really get how hard it is to refine the specific skills that lead to a round in the 70s. Specifically, putting and chipping. You don't need to drive it more than 250 yards to play scratch golf. It helps, but distance isn't as much of a limiting factor as lack of short game and putting can be.
True, but distance is a huge enabler to lower scores. The closer you are on approach, and with increased speed in general, you can put shorter clubs in your hand. Proximity to hole in turn goes up, meaning more makeable putts.
Not disagreeing with you, you can absolutely play to a scratch driving it 250, but it’s easier to do it driving it 270. It’s why I feel speed training is almost a must-do if your really want to lower your score to the fullest extent possible.- Shifty, Big Deal Walsh, buckpillar and 5 others
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44 minutes ago, CFreddie said:
@Bucky CC - that putter is beautiful!
QQ for you and @GolfSpy AFG - how did you decide on the three dot alignment aide (apologies if this was covered in a post on this thread)?
As part of the DF3 test, I'm going back and forth on a couple different alignment options, and I'm intrigued by a single / triple dot. Would love to hear how yall ended up with the dots!
The 3 dot Is the alignment plate Edel recommends to help offset a left aim bias, which I demonstrated in the fitting.
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Just now, Bucky CC said:
It has finally arrived! I'll have more thoughts later, but first impressions are pretty strong. The putter has a very clean look.
And yes, I had to test if it could pick up a ball as well. Struggled to pick it up by sweeping the ball, but it sticks well if you push down on the ball from above.
Nice putter!
I almost went with the F-2 and 3 dot. Fitter said either would be a good fit but the F-1 was just a little bit better. I really like the look of the F-2 though!
- William P, Rob Person, Woodrow72 and 1 other
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1 hour ago, Hacker60521 said:
Newbie question for this thread. Does MGS have a discount code for the Stack System? Or does anyone have a sense of how often and how much of a discount the company will offer?
I’m patient, and willing to wait for a good discount offer.
MGS doesn’t have a promo code. But, message one of us current users and we can send you a referral link from the Stack…gives the current user another year of free app access, and gives you $50 off.
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Ugh. Remember when I complained about Full Speed Spectrum Phase 2? Tomorrow’s my first Phase 3 workout.
That second time around with 240 is going to feel like swinging a telephone pole…
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Sunday afternoon I finally got the F-1 on the course. It was a hit and giggle 9-hole round with my 10 and 8 year olds in tow, so I can’t provide much in the way of Strokes Gained or any insightful statistical analysis.
What I can say: it was the first time in a long time where putting was a strong point! I went to the course right after a Stack session and with pre-workout pumping through my veins…not exactly a recipe for accuracy. I barely kept it in bounds and only had 3 GIRs, but I also only had 13 putts on the round and no 3 putts.
That’s a bit misleading in that my short game is coming around a bit; I hit several chips close. That said, I also drained a par-saving 12 footer and an 18-footer for birdie. My confidence is beginning to really climb with this thing!
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On 4/15/2024 at 1:19 PM, TSauer said:
Oooh, that's interesting! Not necessarily a bad thing, though. You'll be able provide some results for those off-the-rack players.
Sorry for the late response!
I can’t see a scenario where I don’t end up bagging this. If there’s one thing I’m convinced of is that the fitting process works, and that this is a much better fit for me than the face-balanced models I’d been using. That alone means I’m not going back.
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I’d say I’ve acclimated to the the overload swings.
One more Phase 2 workout and then into Phase 3. I’m very very excited for the end results of this program; to consistently hit good set speeds after all those heavy swings has me very optimistic this will pay off big in the end. We’ll see…
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New Stack Putting Personal Best set with the Array!
Between my son’s baseball tournaments and Ohio spring weather I’m having a hard time getting out on the course, but I can’t wait to see how the Edel performs when it counts!
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On 4/8/2024 at 5:00 AM, paul6057 said:
Is the Stack system better than SuperSpeed, for those that have experience with both?
Much. The app is the big difference in terms of the Stack tailoring the workouts to your needs, which it can do because of the ability of the club to vary swing weights. SuperSpeed is just 3 fixed weights…it will work, but it’s not optimized at all.
Think of it this way: take 2 guys, one is 6 feet tall and 200 pounds, the other is 5’8” and 165 pounds. If they both went to a gym to workout and were told you can only use the 20 pound, 60 pound, and 100 pound weights, each of our lifters are going to capable of very different performance and will respond very differently to the training, because it’s not optimized training specific to their capabilities. That’s what SuperSpeed is.
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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:
Thanks for the clarification; sounded like you were feeling a difference in how the putter moved through the stroke since you were describing things like the neck and toe hang. The question would then be if the visual and feel elements are just subjective things or if they have an influence on performance. Based on your numbers you seem to be getting better results; which is good. Wish we could translate it to see if the improved aim also improves your face at impact consistency.
That’s an interesting point. The Club Champion fitter didn’t charge me for the fitting since I’d already paid for the iron fitting a few weeks prior…maybe I can get on the S&M again…
That said, I did pick up the other alignment plate to try and test if that results in a tangible difference.
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@cnosilre-reading your post and I apologize, I didn’t really answer your question as to what I focus on. I consider myself a Dave Stockton acolyte…I pick a spot an inch or two in front of the ball and roll it over that (after spending the bulk of the pre-shot routine focusing on distance). That’s honestly what I’m looking at when I pull the trigger, and I’m certainly not focusing on any mechanics. I do some drills for work on mechanics but not during my actual putting stroke.
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1 hour ago, cnosil said:
Interesting that you "feel" the change. Makes me think you are trying to manipulate the putter during the stroke. What do you focus on (hands, head, face angle, something else?) when you are making a stroke?
You’re really honing in on my choice of words Chris!
Fair. Optically it’s different, especially given the setup and the hosel difference. And the main feel difference is in the transition from the insert of the Odyssey’s to the milled face of the Edel, which I neglected to mention in that last post.
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I’m acclimating to the F-1.
These are the results of a Stack Putting combine from each of the last 4 nights. Last night, the 1.22 score, matched the best round I’ve ever recorded with any of my gamers. Still not great, but reason for optimism. I’m going from a face-balanced (0 toe hang) ballet with a single bend neck and 3 degrees of loft to 44 degrees of toe hang, slant neck, 1.5 degrees of loft and 2 degrees upright. It feels like a big change, but I’m getting comfortable quickly.
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Edel Array Putters . 2024 Forum Review
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FWIW, from the Edel website:
"All golfers have an aim bias. Every line and visible attribute of a putter drives one's eyes to a specific location and dictates where a golfer aims their putter. This creates path deviations and face rotation challenges, among other compensations. Solve your aim bias by pairing your Array Putter with your optimal alignment plate."
Personally, and I think where you're going with this, I think Edel's intent with their alignment plates is to give you an alignment that corrects for your bias, not necessarily give you the one that best comports with your bias or feels the best.