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[gentleman mongoose 38]

Some excellent responses already and although some aspects are not surprising, the details are very revealing. Keep em coming please! This is extremely revealing and useful information. I also like the fact that aim point is getting more popular and accessible.

 

I recommend the excellent book 'Every shot counts'  by Mark Broadie for anyone looking for more useful information on how to lower their score and decipher statistical information.

 

Ideally 100+ responses would give enough information to establish a reliable general review & summary

 

cheers

 

Stuart

[Ace of Clubs Golf Co. 30]

1. Ping Anser BeNi

2. Length = 36" Lie = STD

3. 2 Years

4. Standard

5. 8 of 10

[TIBA_Putt - Kyle 139]

 

1, What putter do you use and why?

MannKrafter Rattler wide body(was called FattRattler when I bought it). Can't beat a handmade putter. And Lamont's work is awesome.

 

2, What are the specs of your putter?

32.75" 4*loft 72*lie 360g headweight.

 

3, How long have you been using the current putter in your bag?

3 years. Refinished once

 

4, Do you commit to a specific method?

No specific method. With much tinkering, have found the stroke that works best for me. Eyes outside the ball. 75% grip pressure in right hand. Reverse overlap. Slight forward press. Go.

 

5, How do you rate your putting performance on a scale of 1 to 10?

I'd give myself an 8. Maybe a 9 if we are on slick greens.

 

 

[gentleman mongoose 38]

 

1, What putter do you use and why?

MannKrafter Rattler wide body(was called FattRattler when I bought it). Can't beat a handmade putter. And Lamont's work is awesome.

 

2, What are the specs of your putter?

32.75" 4*loft 72*lie 360g headweight.

 

3, How long have you been using the current putter in your bag?

3 years. Refinished once

 

4, Do you commit to a specific method?

No specific method. With much tinkering, have found the stroke that works best for me. Eyes outside the ball. 75% grip pressure in right hand. Reverse overlap. Slight forward press. Go.

 

5, How do you rate your putting performance on a scale of 1 to 10?

I'd give myself an 8. Maybe a 9 if we are on slick greens.

 

 

awesome

[Kenny B 23,232]

Some excellent responses already and although some aspects are not surprising, the details are very revealing. Keep em coming please! This is extremely revealing and useful information. I also like the fact that aim point is getting more popular and accessible.

 

I recommend the excellent book 'Every shot counts'  by Mark Broadie for anyone looking for more useful information on how to lower their score and decipher statistical information.

 

Ideally 100+ responses would give enough information to establish a reliable general review & summary

 

cheers

 

Stuart

OK Stuart, I have to ask now. Can you give us a little more information about where this survey is leading? I'm curious about your objective and how you intend to use the data. If you feel that might taint the results, I guess I can wait. NOT!

[gentleman mongoose 38]

OK Stuart, I have to ask now. Can you give us a little more information about where this survey is leading? I'm curious about your objective and how you intend to use the data. If you feel that might taint the results, I guess I can wait. NOT!

Sure Kenny,

 

As a putter designer & developer of putter fitting and coaching systems, I am very interested in how seriously people approach their putters and technique. There are patterns which show up and if there is enough response then I can gauge what the trend is and assess how people react to specific factors.

 

For example, a large percentage of putters which have been shortened to less than 33" are mallet putters and are heavier and/or backweighted. This is also a common occurrence on tour.

 

Of the 90 putters which I fitted last year not a single one came out at industry standard (34", 35", combined with a 71° lie angle). I believe that 95% of the result for a short putt is determined before the putter starts moving. This is where a properly fitted putter and better information would help improve performance.

 

I will reveal more later but I really need more responses to back it up. 

[wbealsd 1,063]

At this time, I'm only able to practice putting indoors and I'm wavering between 2 putters, so I'm going to wait until I can actually putt on real greens before submitting a response.

[jbil8802 801]

Sure Kenny,

 

As a putter designer & developer of putter fitting and coaching systems, I am very interested in how seriously people approach their putters and technique. There are patterns which show up and if there is enough response then I can gauge what the trend is and assess how people react to specific factors.

 

For example, a large percentage of putters which have been shortened to less than 33" are mallet putters and are heavier and/or backweighted. This is also a common occurrence on tour.

 

Of the 90 putters which I fitted last year not a single one came out at industry standard (34", 35", combined with a 71° lie angle). I believe that 95% of the result for a short putt is determined before the putter starts moving. This is where a properly fitted putter and better information would help improve performance.

 

I will reveal more later but I really need more responses to back it up.

I went for my first putter fitting a few weeks ago. It was more of a retrofit since I love my Ketsch. When I went in, it was right around 35". He recommended cutting it down to 32.5", which I did. When I go back we're going to mess around with some counterweights and check the lie angle. Do you have a recommendation for the best way to check for proper lie angle on a putter?

[fozcycle 11,665]

1, What putter do you use and why?Nike Method Core Drone

2, What are the specs of your putter?33" Length, 4* Loft, 71* Lie, 365 gram head weight

3, How long have you been using the current putter in your bag? 1 1/2 years

4, Do you commit to a specific method?Yes...After I line up my putt. I approach the ball and take several Pendulum strokes while looking at the hole. This sets my tempo and power in my muscles.

5, How do you rate your putting performance on a scale of 1 to 10? 7....I generally have 25 to 29 putts per round.

[gentleman mongoose 38]

I went for my first putter fitting a few weeks ago. It was more of a retrofit since I love my Ketsch. When I went in, it was right around 35". He recommended cutting it down to 32.5", which I did. When I go back we're going to mess around with some counterweights and check the lie angle. Do you have a recommendation for the best way to check for proper lie angle on a putter?

Checking the existing lie of a putter is easy if you have a loft/lie machine. If you do not then a standard lie angle is 71 degrees and comparing your putter to this will give you an idea of what the lie angle is. If you set both putters flat on the ground and line up the tips of the shafts then check the difference at the grip end, on a standard grip size, one grip width is approx 2 degrees in lie angle.

[TIBA_Putt - Kyle 139]

Sure Kenny,

 

As a putter designer & developer of putter fitting and coaching systems, I am very interested in how seriously people approach their putters and technique. There are patterns which show up and if there is enough response then I can gauge what the trend is and assess how people react to specific factors.

 

For example, a large percentage of putters which have been shortened to less than 33" are mallet putters and are heavier and/or backweighted. This is also a common occurrence on tour.

 

Of the 90 putters which I fitted last year not a single one came out at industry standard (34", 35", combined with a 71° lie angle). I believe that 95% of the result for a short putt is determined before the putter starts moving. This is where a properly fitted putter and better information would help improve performance.

 

I will reveal more later but I really need more responses to back it up.

I actually went through a putter fitting a couple years back and was fit into a standard 34" 71*. As I've later come to realize, it didn't take into account eye dominance and how I see the line from ball to hole. I was just fitted to the standard, "You need your eyes over or just inside the ball." Working with my coach after the fitting, we found that I don't see the line from ball to hole properly unless either my eyes are outside the ball or my stance is open. I wanted to be square at address, so we shortened and bent my putter upright. Now my eyes are outside the ball and I see the line from ball to hole correctly.

[mr_divots 247]

I'm not that tall at about 6'1-6'2" and like the 35.5" length very much.

I find it odd of 90 people not one would fit into a 34 or 35" putter? That almost doesn't seem possible?

[westy 523]

My one period when I genuinely loved my putter was back in the 90's with a Ping Pal that was cut to 31.5 inches and had so much lead on it, but perhaps it's just memory playing tricks - I probably didn't hole much then either!

 

I'm 5 ft 10 and 34 inch putters feel very long to me.

 

Think this is the year I might get myself properly fit for a putter.....

[Kenny B 23,232]

My one period when I genuinely loved my putter was back in the 90's with a Ping Pal that was cut to 31.5 inches and had so much lead on it, but perhaps it's just memory playing tricks - I probably didn't hole much then either!

 

I'm 5 ft 10 and 34 inch putters feel very long to me.

 

Think this is the year I might get myself properly fit for a putter.....

 

A shorter, heavier putter made all the difference for me.

[Kenny B 23,232]

I actually went through a putter fitting a couple years back and was fit into a standard 34" 71*. As I've later come to realize, it didn't take into account eye dominance and how I see the line from ball to hole. I was just fitted to the standard, "You need your eyes over or just inside the ball." Working with my coach after the fitting, we found that I don't see the line from ball to hole properly unless either my eyes are outside the ball or my stance is open. I wanted to be square at address, so we shortened and bent my putter upright. Now my eyes are outside the ball and I see the line from ball to hole correctly.

 

For Stuart as well,

I forgot to mention that I changed my putting stance about a year ago.  I am right eye dominant, and for years I was putting with a 34" putter ala Nicklaus because I "could see the line" better with a very open stance.  However, the putter was too long and I was choked down to the shaft and my elbows severely bent.  That worked OK even when I changed to the Heavy putter, but it worked best for long, lag putting.  The bad with that stance was that I tended to miss what I thought was a high % of short putts.  So I spent a lot of time on the putting green with a 10' string between two long nails; set the string along the start line of the putt that put the ball in the hole with the correct speed; and spent a lot of time putting with eyes over the string and a square setup.  It was not easy at first ( I missed a lot of putts to the right).  But eventually I trained my eyes to coordinate with my arms along the correct path.  Not perfect yet, but better.  I also found that lag putting using this new method is just as good as the old method.  

[jaxbeachpackerfan 770]

1, What putter do you use and why?  TM Ghost Spider Si 38" counterbalanced putter.  Did MGS Product Review of it, hasn't come out of my bag yet.  Best thing that ever happened to my golf game.

 

2, What are the specs of your putter?  38"

 

3, How long have you been using the current putter in your bag? 10 months

 

4, Do you commit to a specific method?  Pendulum

 

5, How do you rate your putting performance on a scale of 1 to 10?  Mid to Long putts (over 5')  8

Short putts 4.  Don't know why the big difference, other than my somewhat long stroke for the longer putts doesn't translate to short putts, so I try to manufacture something for short putts.  

[Kenny B 23,232]

Sure Kenny,

 

As a putter designer & developer of putter fitting and coaching systems, I am very interested in how seriously people approach their putters and technique. There are patterns which show up and if there is enough response then I can gauge what the trend is and assess how people react to specific factors.

 

For example, a large percentage of putters which have been shortened to less than 33" are mallet putters and are heavier and/or backweighted. This is also a common occurrence on tour.

 

Of the 90 putters which I fitted last year not a single one came out at industry standard (34", 35", combined with a 71° lie angle). I believe that 95% of the result for a short putt is determined before the putter starts moving. This is where a properly fitted putter and better information would help improve performance.

 

I will reveal more later but I really need more responses to back it up. 

 

Thanks Stuart!  I will be looking forward to your assessment.  From what I see at golf stores, the majority of golfers buy putters based on looks or reputation, not on actual performance.  So, armed with a putter that doesn't fit them (and maybe doesn't even feel that good), they adjust their stroke to make it work.  I can say that because that is exactly what I did!  

[gentleman mongoose 38]

I'm not that tall at about 6'1-6'2" and like the 35.5" length very much.

I find it odd of 90 people not one would fit into a 34 or 35" putter? That almost doesn't seem possible?

There were people fitted to a longer length but that usually came out at 69° (there were a couple of 70° too) but definitely no one above this. The eye position is also very important in determining this angle.

[wbealsd 1,063]

I actually went through a putter fitting a couple years back and was fit into a standard 34" 71*. As I've later come to realize, it didn't take into account eye dominance and how I see the line from ball to hole. I was just fitted to the standard, "You need your eyes over or just inside the ball." Working with my coach after the fitting, we found that I don't see the line from ball to hole properly unless either my eyes are outside the ball or my stance is open. I wanted to be square at address, so we shortened and bent my putter upright. Now my eyes are outside the ball and I see the line from ball to hole correctly.

I see well enough with both eyes focused, but have "floaters" in my left eye so I tend to shift my head to the left for my right eye to see the hole, which makes it hard for me to be square at address.  I used to putt "side-saddle," and still do sometimes for long. lag putts.

[jmwils81 102]

I actually went through a putter fitting a couple years back and was fit into a standard 34" 71*. As I've later come to realize, it didn't take into account eye dominance and how I see the line from ball to hole. I was just fitted to the standard, "You need your eyes over or just inside the ball." Working with my coach after the fitting, we found that I don't see the line from ball to hole properly unless either my eyes are outside the ball or my stance is open. I wanted to be square at address, so we shortened and bent my putter upright. Now my eyes are outside the ball and I see the line from ball to hole correctly.

And you've dialed in your stroke with the TIBA